"Theurgy" has never actually been defined and different people in-thread use it to mean different things. Without defining Theurgy any statement about it's plausibility is meaningless. (Hence why BoneyM never talks about theurgy, because it isn't even a distinct thing.)
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I do not thing High Princess can exist, High King is not a clan based title, it is elected as the First among Equals of the Royal clans of the Karaz Ankor which is usually, but not always the of KaK
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[x] DIPLO: Polyglot
[x] LESSON: Dhar Insight
[x] LESSON: Dhar Insight
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- North Wales
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And aside from that, the Transcendant Boon is from Belegar rather than Thorgrim. Belegar really doesn't have the standing to get anything done about making Mathilde part of a Karaz-a-Karak Clan. At best he could adopt her and then as Clan Head try to arrange a marriage for her into Thorgrim's clan. This does not strike me as a good plan.
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[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
we have constantly used language and we'll need to learn more and if I know anything about Elgi it's that they complicate things with their pride and personal gripes constantly. Elgi language having fifty million dialects and sub dialects and nuances. Draconic and Old One and Albish and Arabyan and Kislevish and Bretonnian. It's just really good to be able to speak the languages and understand or dissect them.
I bring up old one because the odds that there's Old One language on the Hand of the Gods we picked up is non-zero, and it's neat
we have constantly used language and we'll need to learn more and if I know anything about Elgi it's that they complicate things with their pride and personal gripes constantly. Elgi language having fifty million dialects and sub dialects and nuances. Draconic and Old One and Albish and Arabyan and Kislevish and Bretonnian. It's just really good to be able to speak the languages and understand or dissect them.
I bring up old one because the odds that there's Old One language on the Hand of the Gods we picked up is non-zero, and it's neat
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[X] DIPLO: Dawri
[X] DIPLO: Draconic Fascination
[X] DIPLO: Mentor
[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
[X] LESSON: Leader
[X] LESSON: Logistician
[X] LESSON: Poker Face
[X] DIPLO: Draconic Fascination
[X] DIPLO: Mentor
[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
[X] LESSON: Leader
[X] LESSON: Logistician
[X] LESSON: Poker Face
Well that's fine then.
Mathilde can still be a High Princess if Belegar adopts her and then she goes and smokes some magical Jade weed that Panpan grows for her.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Theurgy is the melding of divine with Arcane. It's always been conceptualised like that and the closest extant equivalent is chaos sorcery and Nehekaharians magic, that said feel free to be snippy. Regardless considering Mystic is about leaving the gods to be a mystery and Theologian is about integrating them into Mathilde arcane frame work and trying to get to grips with what gods are exactly I'd say the two traits are literal opposites.
So given that my post you quoted was to a guy talking about theurgy I'd say i'm pretty sure in what I've said and your post adds nothing.
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They're definitely opposites - but to me they're opposites in the sense of "opposite sides of the coin", rather than opposites in the sense of "learning vs. ignorance".
They're both about gaining more understanding of the gods. It's just that one of them is about gaining understanding by peeking behind the curtain, and the other by listening to their messages - and so the understanding gained will be different, but we cannot say which will be more useful.
EDIT: To use an analogy, Theologian is about trying to X-ray the gods and look at their internal anatomy. Mystic is about talking to the gods which will get to know their personalities.
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Theologian for me. I want extra heresy, where possible
.Well, Damsels may do Theurgy as well.
As may elves, as they may see the act as spellcasting as being divine, just as they do most things. Particularly High Mages with Lileath's blessing.
All these versions of theurgy may be different.
I disagree slightly about Mystic versus Theologian. I see Mystic as being about changing Mathilde's paradigm to better fit that approach to the divine while Theologian tries to fit the gods into something closer to her existing paradigm.
I think both would be interesting.
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[x] DIPLO: Polyglot
I wonder if we could write a paper on Dhar Insight like we did on Waagh-Bane.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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Its probably not safe. We will definitely be able to post on windfall and stuff, but it will have to be edited, as such thorought understanding of dark magics invites extremely pointed questions.
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
Changing vote due to trucemaker clarification
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
Changing vote due to trucemaker clarification
The GM called it a matter of raised eyebrows I think we are safe on that.
ContemplateLife
Philosopher Thesaurus
- Location
- Canada
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- He/Him
[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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- Angband
If I recall correctly, that'd be totally unnecessary. I believe Boney said something to the effect of Belegar would adopt us into his clan more or less instantly if Mathilde shows any inclination at all to want it, no boon required.
@picklepikkl I call upon you to answer us this question!
Unless of course you're busy or have better things to do or don't want to encourage people pinging you as a glorified search function or something. I understand.
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] DIPLO: Mentor
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
[X] DIPLO: Mentor
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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I might've misunderstood you. Part of our understanding is built on reading Liber Mortis, so that would definitely not be safe, but if we are just talking about what we saw and try to introduce chains of logic how we got there instead of, you know, using insights from Liber Mortis, we should be fine.
