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Mmm, in hindsight it would be very useful for storage, trading, sieges, supplies for campaigns...most useful when it doesn't require a lot of moving about, so campaigns would be more tricky because of the extra weight still being extra, but storage would allow for massive stockpiles.

...and in keeping with Dwarven themes, much more occupied treasury vaults.
There's actually one particular usage where it's utterly and completely revolutionary: engineering. Spatial fuckery means that you can suddenly get away with all sorts of design shenanigans, including adding parts where they would normally overlap.

Hell, while energy outputting perpetual motion machines aren't that amazing in a world of magic, all this one would require is something to lift the counter-weight out of the runed bag to double its weight at the top and then put it back in to halve its weight at the bottom
 
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Great Update!
I wake up and the Hold goes to work!
I gotta say, I love the similarities between Karstah and Snorri. Both creating weapons for the coming leaders of their people after winning a battle. 😁

I don't think that the Throng would need our intervention. The hold is swarming with Runelords and even a larger Beastmen tide shouldn't be a problem. After all, we can't just steal the glory for all these Beardlings.
 
"Stop smiling," Fjolla mutters, eyeing Dolgi in annoyance.

"I'm just so happy for you!" he chatters excitedly, the dwarfs around them thankfully not hearing through the din of the bar, "Have you told Klorah yet?"

I'm with Dolgi, this is awesome. Of course, now we have to think of wedding gifts! Damned if we'll let the apprentices outdo us!

because you and Valka agreed on having the proper level of defences set up within the Karak proper;

"So, what defenses do you want?"

"Yes."

A round of hissing and nodding.

"What a waste of a Lava river that would be..."

I love the bickering/discussions among the more engineer-y of the Hearth Guard. They take such silly things so seriously. :p

"Three hundred and fifty-seven," Gimli mutters offhandedly as the elf pulls out the master-crafted weapon and hands it to him.

"That can't be right. When did you kill another 2?" he asks, looking at Gimli curiously.

Do you see this, Peter Jackson? THIS IS WHAT THE GIMLI/LEGOLAS CONTEST IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE!

with bags having the most growth while anything larger than a barrel saw smaller and smaller gains.

DAMMIT! That puts a real crimp in the "Mammoth Gronti Field Hospital" idea, which I really liked as an expansion of OId Grumbler's concept. Hopefully we'll have a research option to refine this rune.

The Rune had few to no similarities to any Runes you knew of.

Interesting. An orphan rune, like MWaking.

Of course one of the first things you tried to do was put a bag with the Rune of Stacking inside another bag with the Rune of Stacking. That in itself seemed fine, even when you put items inside that bag. But if that bag contained items in excess of its normal volume those contents would be jettisoned, either into the bigger bag or if that bag was full, then flying out through an opening or through the container if it was weak enough.

*whimpers in D&D*

The Hammerspite is silent, watching the latest in a long line of Stoneplates to come to his shop with inscrutable intent.

Well effing done, Nain.

We are such a good teacher.


Tinbeard? Tinbeard? What self-respecting dwarf takes that name? It's got to be colour-related, it's the only thing that makes sense.

You hum, falling silent as Dolgi and Snerra begin speaking about his daughters' progress. The passing of time being marked by the sounds of construction below, the chanting of the current batch of Masters off in their own little section, and the idle chatter between your charges as Fjolla finishes pulling her length of wire.

Our Rune-Family is wonderful.

"We starting on three again or are you going to get overeager and fire your bow too early again?"

"What is it your folk say? Bah, I believe?"

"HAHA, NOW THAT'S AN AGREEMENT IF I EVER HEARD ONE," Gimli shouts, running at the Ghorgon faster and faster as his belt begins to glow.
"A DWARF CAN KILL BOTH!" he shouts, slamming the axe into the back of the minotaur's head with a yell of fury.

Dammit, @soulcake, it's late and I'm having to suppress my chuckling to avoid waking people up.

"Metal of mind and body. Bound to the earth and stone, who shuns the sky. As the Stormcallers and Bloodhunters before you, I name your role and all those who follow you Silverbearer. Delve into your craft, create that which will aid our flock, anger not The Ones who Are From Stone, and you shall bear my blessing until you break mine trust," their Lord announces, voice echoing through the Unseen Winds tinged with Sapphire and Diamond, but now with minute flecks of Gold.

O.O

Holy. Shit.

KotS can pick up new winds from his subjects? And apparently has already picked up Hysh as well? Ye gods, how long till he's working on Qhaysh?

[ ] [Trial:] Write-in a trial for each Rune, or make it clear the trial is for both. Be general, set the aesthetic of the trial and Snorri will do his best to match it and keep within acceptable norms.

[X]{Trial: Rune of Repair] In Valaya's name, perform an act of charity in keeping with her traditions, the worth of which to be judged by Snorri. Examples might include runing a foundling ward or the headquarters of a new clan; donating sizable amounts of runework/resources to a worthy cause, etc.

[X][Trial: Rune of Stacking] A test of productivity - the journeyman must produce a large number of weapons of acceptable quality in a very tight time frame. Regardless of whether they are judged worthy, all acceptable weapons they produce are to be donated to the throng of a northern karak that can use them.
 
"Why did I listen to you!" Gimli screams, gripping the rampaging animal beneath him for dear life.

"All will be well my stout friend! I see the Shaman, GET READY!" Laequalys shouts gleefully, standing up on the mutant mammoth's back, dodging the swipes of its three blade-tipped trunks even as he steers the rampaging beast through a horde of panicking beastmen.

"Dwarfs aren't meant to be riding things like this! I should've just sprinted alongside or something," the prince complains to himself.

"ON MY MARK!" the elf yells.

Muttering, Gimli rises up onto his legs unsteadily, jostling about as the beast beneath him trundles and charges through their foe.

"JUMP!" Laequalys yells, firing his bow into the back of the monster's head and sending it falling to the earth.

"Khazukan, Kazakit-haAAAAAAAAAARGH! YOU TWIRLING SAUSAGE THAT ONE WAS MINE! WE AGREED NAUGHT BUT FIVE YEARS AGO TO STOP THIS TYPE OF FOOLISHNESS!" Gimli roars, having leapt off the mammoth with his great axe impacting the skull of the enemy caster just seconds before an arrow impales it through the brain.

"I thought you were aiming for the minotaur!" the elf shouts back apologetically.

Sniffing in annoyance, Gimli nimbly dodges out of the way of the aforementioned bull man's charge, axe singing through the air as he twirls to dodge out of the way, only to bring it down and cut cleanly through the minotaur's left leg as it crashes through empty air.

"A DWARF CAN KILL BOTH!" he shouts, slamming the axe into the back of the minotaur's head with a yell of fury.

"One thousand and eighty-five!" the elf yells.

"Bah! One thousand and eighty-four!" he roars back.
These two should get sent to darker more modern WH. It could use more fun people like this. Grimdark needs little sparkles to light it up, like this bit of magic right here!
 
I like the idea of the trial being about demonstrating the value of the runes though for the sake of throwing out ideas how about using the Hearthguard as part of the trial.

Not sure if it's too close to something political to be suggested but how about having them help the hearthguard (and win their approval) with one of their aid missions to show that they can use their rune knowledge in a practical and helpful manner. Forces the journeyman to interact with the sheer mass of collected experience that the Hearthguard represents and gives the experienced Hearthguard get a chance to vet the journeyman while at the same time they are doing some practical good.


Also on a completely different note, I'm curious about what would happen if we put a Master Rune of Valaya, A Rune of Repair and one of those healing runes on an amulet or banner. Think we could get a defensive shield that uses the excess power it gathers to heal/repair all allies under it?
 
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-[X] Theme for Both Runes: Two trials that are meant to teach the importance of repetitive, backbreaking and tedious labor in making a better world and how things which make that tedium easier are a blessing to be used to their utmost. Trials that emphasize the importance of details and the necessities of the day to day and how these runes improve that.
 
@BungieONI, I do like your idea too. For a tedium trial, how about we make the Journeymen crank out massive amounts of gromril wire for us on the chainforger?

Not only do we test them, we save ourselves massive amounts of work!

@soulcake: More names for the roster! Could I get confirmation on these professions?

Morgrim Goldbeard is a miner, I'm fairly sure. Generic Longbeard variety?

Mundri: No idea. An engineer?

Also:

"Show this to me child," their Lord orders, beckoning the Bana forward.

*Brana
 
Do you see this, Peter Jackson? THIS IS WHAT THE GIMLI/LEGOLAS CONTEST IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE!

Come on now! Gimili/Legolas contest was really good and funny most of the time! Also, how dare you say that and not mention THIS AMAZING PART?!?! Like cmon!

"Khazukan, Kazakit-haAAAAAAAAAARGH! YOU TWIRLING SAUSAGE THAT ONE WAS MINE! WE AGREED NAUGHT BUT FIVE YEARS AGO TO STOP THIS TYPE OF FOOLISHNESS!" Gimli roars, having leapt off the mammoth with his great axe impacting the skull of the enemy caster just seconds before an arrow impales it through the brain.

"I thought you were aiming for the minotaur!" the elf shouts back apologetically.

Sniffing in annoyance, Gimli nimbly dodges out of the way of the aforementioned bull man's charge, axe singing through the air as he twirls to dodge out of the way, only to bring it down and cut cleanly through the minotaur's left leg as it crashes through empty air.

"A DWARF CAN KILL BOTH!" he shouts, slamming the axe into the back of the minotaur's head with a yell of fury.

"One thousand and eighty-five!" the elf yells.

"Bah! One thousand and eighty-four!" he roars back.

Honest to god, this fucking scene is easily one of the best in the quest on a pure fun stand point! THEY BECAME FRIENDS DAMMIT! If there was a hall of fame for this quest's moments, my vote would be for this one, swear to the Ancestors!
 
@BungieONI, I do like your idea too. For a tedium trial, how about we make the Journeymen crank out massive amounts of gromril wire for us on the chainforger?

Not only do we test them, we save ourselves massive amounts of work!
I like that idea, but I was thinking of trials specifically helped by the runes in particular, and I didn't want to get too into the nitty gritty of the details.
 
The Rune of Repair is perfect for Troll Acid Throwers. Any damages done by the troll acid will get counteracted by the passive repair buff.
 
[X] Plan Theme of Preparation
-[X] Theme for Both Runes: Two trials that are meant to teach the importance of repetitive, backbreaking and tedious labor in making a better world and how things which make that tedium easier are a blessing to be used to their utmost. Trials that emphasize the importance of details and the necessities of the day to day and how these runes improve that.
 
as a Trial for the Rune of Stacking.
How about we have the Beardlings bring a lot of stuff somewhere wagons can't really reach so they are forced to use the smaller containers the Rune would work nicely on.
To instill the knowledge which task the Rune can make easier.
 
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