The most cruel trick played yet: Something that smelled like dwarven beer but tasted like elven wine!
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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tapkomet
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus
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I think we'll have to become a Vampire after all. For science, you see.
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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Why would we be mad we got the superior beverage?
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
That's a Grudgin'.Why would we be mad we got the superior beverage?
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Now who would be so careless as to taste a beverage found in the Chaos Wastes? 🤔
It was from their own reserves - someone just let his mug out in the open!
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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They can try, and I can turn their ratty beards into washclothes.
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@BoneyM You said that the Engineers and Gunnery Crew didn't have a problem with not being represented in the Council because they (or at least their senior members) weren't radical enough to want to influence Expeditionary Thane Borek (and I guess also didn't feel like they had any necessary or insightful advice to give regarding their field of expertise?).
But now that Borek is gone and rumors about just how he left all of us has probably spread like wildfire, is this still true? Who even commands them and when did they accept said command? Do they feel comfortable with not adding their voice to Snorri's when the rest of the Council is made up of Umgi who don't seem like they have accepted a single proper expedition leader yet?
Also, does Mathilde have any clue what "Slaaksho of the Four" actually means?
But now that Borek is gone and rumors about just how he left all of us has probably spread like wildfire, is this still true? Who even commands them and when did they accept said command? Do they feel comfortable with not adding their voice to Snorri's when the rest of the Council is made up of Umgi who don't seem like they have accepted a single proper expedition leader yet?
I'm not upset. I just wanted to explain why I felt the need to ask for further clarification and to defend my write-ins against WoQM. Though I am curious what a write-in needs to be added among the default options like "Ask for a volunteer to test Morghur's reputed ability to turn anyone using magic nearby into Chaos Spawns".
I was just hoping you were willing to describe a few doodads on request, in case you already had something in your mind's eye that just didn't fit into the narrative flow of the chapter proper.
How did the heavily mutated Dolgan Chief look under Mathilde's well developed Windsight? I know that normal Windsight at least is not enough to sniff out mutation at a glance, though mutation that makes you only speak "the Blessed Language" might be more dramatically visible, especially while actually being spoken.
Also, does Mathilde have any clue what "Slaaksho of the Four" actually means?
And that's how the War of the Beard was followed by the War of the Drink.
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Yeesh, sorry. I'll be sure to avoid making jokes in the future, I guess.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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If we're ignoring the War of Vengeance, how are they murderers?
(Like, honest question here, I haven't actually read up on what Asuryan is looking for in a king)
They don't see it that way. They joined this Expedition knowing where it would lead them. That Borek up and disappeared probably has them off-kilter, but they're not going to start demanding representation on an unofficial body, their expectation would be that command would pass to the next in line, which would be either Mathilde or Snorri. If they weren't okay with that possibility they wouldn't have joined the Expedition in the first place.
'Defend' is an odd choice of words. This isn't an adversarial relationship and nobody wins if it's turned into one.
There's no set criteria, it's just a matter of whether I think it's an obvious and straightforward course of action that would have occurred to Mathilde. 'Kidnapping a holy man from an extremely numerous, powerful, and nearby polity on pretty much their home turf and subject them to torture and/or magical experimentation' is, uh, not those things.
Chaos-y.
Something Slaaneshi, hence the 'slaa'.
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That would be a debate with the others, with the thread deciding Mathilde's preference.
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They've been fine for 185 years, I really doubt this raiding party would accomplish what the probably thousands of previous ones haven't.
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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No, that's my bad. I'm stuck at my Grandpa's and the three-thousand degree temperature and stink of cigarettes is genuinely driving me up, and over, the fuckin' wall.Yeesh, sorry. I'll be sure to avoid making jokes in the future, I guess.
How should I put this? The Dwarfs are, at best, the same sort of person as Malekith, ruminating in every slight both real and imagined, and we saw what happened to him, so.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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I feel like that would be missing the whole "plotted against his liege, fomented chaos cults and rebellion, then assassinated him to try to seize power"
And I do think that, as a general rule, Dwarfs are still better than that. I doubt Asuryan would have been fine with Malekith if he'd done all of the above but for non-grudge-related reasons.
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Random observation:
This can be for all kinds of different possible reasons of course.
It's interesting that the Shamans of both the Dolgan and the Yusak (and presumably other Kurgan tribes as well) introduce themselves only with their basic role, their larger tribe and the god they serve foremost, without providing anything like a personal name or a clan. At the same time their leader/Slaaksho was introduced with his personal name (but again no clan name and also not Irnik Dolgan to mirror Avasar Kul) first.
This can be for all kinds of different possible reasons of course.
- Kurgan Shamans traditionally de-emphasize their identity and personal allegiance in official business in front of strangers.
- People here generally don't consider it polite to introduce themselves by name, but doing so for a third party of higher status is polite.
- It's considered dangerous for anyone on the Steppes to give their name or even their family ties up to strangers. Much better to emphasize magic skills, allegiance of a whole tribe spanning a giant territory and patronage of a specific deity from among the major fifteen. Irnik specifically on the other hand wants to show that he has nothing to fear from that avenue.
- It's culturally normal for Shamans to always say that they are Shamans even if it should be obvious.
- Mathilde is clearly a powerful foreigner (who doesn't speak anything useful other than Dwarf-tongue) and Shamans have long learned from experience that powerful foreign entities care about little other than what magic you can do and which geographical power you belong to.
What confused/intrigued me is that he's "Slaaksho of the Four". Meaning that either Slaaksho is a role that somehow represents all four major Chaos Gods or that the holder of the term is considered so intrinsically a part of a specific of the Four that he isn't even considered a separate entity at all and is thus a member of said Four.
Defend as in "defend an argument".
((OOC: Just to make sure, are you speaking as an IC Elf that hates Dwarves or do you actually think that Dwarves are in all likelihood as unworthy as pre-fall Malekith for all the reasons Malekith was unworthy?
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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A little of column A, a little of column b. As I'm about to tell Mopman....
Oh, they aren't as bad as Malekith but it sure is the same personality type writ large. A difference of degree, rather than kind.
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You can only prove one of those things!
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All-but-confirmed by the fact that the longbeard Belegar met had a number of Grombrindal-coincident traits, Mathilde had a vision of Grombrindal while firing the Eye of Gazul, and this exchange with BoneyM and other folks over the summer:
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Yeah, it was definitely the White Dwarf. I figure the reason Mathilde didn't notice him is that he wasn't actually doing Divine things.
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Dolgan Wind Shamans can also be described as a "Shaman of the Eight". That's all.
NexusEye
Aspiring God
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We must make sacrifices for the sake of progress, whether that be our ethical standards or our waistlines.
Even if Morghur's ability to screw with magic spells isn't active this is still Karag Dum and there's a good chance there are runelords active here that are capable of some pretty nasty anti-magic capabilities. So if what we're looking at is a runelord in disguise then we should still be extremely cautious in using magic nearby.