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Guys, are you sure we should be talking about The Starbrook Package and what's happening in Kislev? @Nachtigall brings up a good point.
Nachtigall said:
Err... going by how Emperor Magnus himself only mentioned that the Quinsbury Lodge had overstepped their bounds after everyone else left, I'm pretty sure that this is a bad idea. He definitely has a reason to keep them secret, probably to avoid lynch mobs and other internal unrest.
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On the Kislev thing, Alexandra told us not to do anything there, we should tell Stephan and Outrud to do the same, please consider what you are voting for. In fact, @Zrayz10 I think it would be best to tell Stephan and Outrud to not do anything about what's happening in Kislev, considering the volatile situation there, or simply, not tell them anything about Kislev at all. Ostmark may have a sizable border with Kislev and Nordland's navy runs into Kislev's often but they won't really be able to do anything about that.

Actually, I don't think there's much point in mentioning Kislev to Stephan and Outrud at all, as there's nothing they can do about it. We can only warn them and that's just about it.
 
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[X] End of Trident Meeting, End of Turn 35, End of Year 2339, Move On To Turn 36.

Frederick already told the other Counts about anything really important. If you actually want them to take some action, do a plan. Just "give them information" can be assumed to have happened off-screen.
 
Zrayz10 said:
Ok I think the moratorium should be over by now so let me get the ball rolling on the vote:

[] Plan: Threats and Trade Deals
-[] Bring up the Black Ark and Fimir confirmation from the Albion expedition.
-[] The Starbrook Package and its Impact on the Northern Trident. Offer what intelligence that can be offered on the Lodge and the factions in Marienburg that were targeting the Trident.
-[] Discuss having a different trade deal planned out and ready for the next Elector's Meet. Not just for the Northern Trident, but one that the other provinces can enthusiastically get behind, or at least potentially be persuaded towards.
-[] Mention how our daughter warned us Kislev is kind of a powder keg right now due to the whole shadow war that's going on right now.
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I realize I hadn't voted on the plan yet (turned in for the evening before the moratorium was over), but if you're going to add something to a plan please change the name.

Also, there's not much point in mentioning Kislev. If Frederick could do anything, he would. But he can't. Alexandra made that abundantly clear. If Frederick can't do anything about it, Stephen and Ortrud can't.

torroar said:
I feel like he already has. But if not, sure. But uh, I'd prefer if the vote could say explicitly what the thread thinks is relevant, rather than me scouring it myself.



They don't have Research Actions, no, as they haven't constructed engineering schools of their own, and others potentially inclined for such things go west/east depending on if starting in Ostermark/Nordland to Wulfenburg. Then, those educated often peel back home, such as with Nordland/Ostermark nobility and commoners both, helping maintain their war machines and such, others finding comfortably paid scholarly positions, etc.

Also because I'm not doing Kislev Research Actions, Ostland Research Actions, Nuln Research Actions, Altdorf Research Actions AND Nordland and Ostermark.
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I couldn't find mention of the Black Ark to Stephen or Ortrud, and this is the first Trident Meeting since the Albion action, I think. That's not to say a letter couldn't have been sent or I missed something, though. *shrug*

Right. That would be a lot of rolling and bookkeeping. But they do have scholars and experts.



Nachtigall said:
Err... going by how Emperor Magnus himself only mentioned that the Quinsbury Lodge had overstepped their bounds after everyone else left, I'm pretty sure that this is a bad idea. He definitely has a reason to keep them secret, probably to avoid lynch mobs and other internal unrest.

On another matter, wow is Nordland small after giving up that territory... nearly 3/4 of the province as seen on maps now belong to Laurelorn:
Map of Nordland
They're about the size of the Moot or Hochland now...
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Frederick wanted to know about the Lodge. He was pissed that Hagrid knew and didn't tell him. There aren't as many halflings in Ostermark and Nordland as there are in Ostland but there are more than there would otherwise be due to the close ties of the Trident.

Actually this is something that Frederick might have let them know about before since that was a few years ago. Hm, but if he did I assume it wouldn't be brought up again now (no need to edit the vote), right @torroar?
 
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Dmol8 said:
Uh @torroar what does it mean that some of Frederick's siblings were slain by Tripping?
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They tripped and fell and broke their necks, is what it means. Well, one did. One tripped and cracked their head on a wall, killed 'em instantly as can sometimes happen.

spudman said:
Actually this is something that Frederick might have let them know about before since that was a few years ago. Hm, but if he did I assume it wouldn't be brought up again now (no need to edit the vote), right @torroar?
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If you want to bring it up, put it in. Frederick hasn't brought that up as he remembered how Magnus brought it up last time, but if the players vote for it he will.
 
spudman said:
Also, there's not much point in mentioning Kislev. If Frederick could do anything, he would. But he can't. Alexandra made that abundantly clear. If Frederick can't do anything about it, Stephen and Ortrud can't.
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I think it's more to warn them to not try to do anything and make things worse than trying to get them to do something.
 
torroar said:
They tripped and fell and broke their necks, is what it means.



If you want to bring it up, put it in. Frederick hasn't brought that up as he remembered how Magnus brought it up last time, but if the players vote for it he will.
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Magnus probably thought it best that the Lodge continues to be not widely known about.


Hm...maybe it wouldn't be the best idea to bring it up then. Magnus doesn't think its existence should be spread around. He mentioned it in earshot of Frederick but that's a sign of trust. At the same time Magnus would have known Frederick would do some digging of his own and was willing to accept that.

We need to seriously consider if we should tell others about the Lodge and if we need to. Magnus seemed to deal with the matter of the Lodge quite well. @torroar did Hagrid provide any indication that the Lodge had influence in Nordland and Ostermark as well?

REAPER35 said:
I think it's more to warn them to not try to do anything and make things worse than trying to get them to do something.
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I don't see why they would, so there's no need to mention it. They have their own provinces and own affairs. The only reason Frederick wanted to interfere was because of Alexandra.
 
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[X] Plan: Albion and trade, no Lodge or Kislev
-[X] Bring up the Black Ark and Fimir confirmation from the Albion expedition.
-[X] The Starbrook Package and its Impact on the Northern Trident. Offer what intelligence that can be offered on the factions in Marienburg that were targeting the Trident.
-[X] Discuss having a different trade deal planned out and ready for the next Elector's Meet. Not just for the Northern Trident, but one that the other provinces can enthusiastically get behind, or at least potentially be persuaded towards.


Having second thoughts about mentioning the Lodge. Magnus had most of the other electors leave the room before mentioning it before. That could mean he doesn't want it spread around, but he would have known Frederick would find out more and act on it.

But if you think it's something that should still be mentioned, at least do so carefully. I would advise to include the context about how Magnus mentioned it and then you found out more @Zrayz10
 
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[X] Plan: Albion and trade, no Lodge or Kislev

Honestly, other than warning Stephan and Outrud what's going on in Kislev, there's no point in telling them that as there is nothing they can do.
 
Will be interesting if Wood Elves of Laurelorn start hiring themselves in large amounts to Empire in an effort to improve their overall situation and decline since having more money and support from Empire rather than a hostile relationship is to their benefit, in having good meat shields if nothing else.

Even better if we can get something in writing down with Emperor's seal as soon as possible so will stay in official books for awhile.

Can't imagine Athen Loren doing anything like that with Brets in general.
 
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