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He is literally complying with a request BoneyM made. Why is everyone chewing him out for that?
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The GM just asked for exactly that though.
Context is important. Tasoli isn't the person the GM was responding to, it's been hours since either the GM's comment or the post being quoted, and the post being referred to is borderline on what the GM was talking about anyway. Most importantly, however, singling out voters like this is the exact opposite of how you keep votes polite and non-toxic.
 
I meant it more in the sense of the HR showing up and going "Need some help? I've also got this cool bell!" and the people of Tylos going "A horned god? Are you that Taal guy? Well, that sounds just fine".

I fully admit it's speculation with a very tenuous base.
This is another one of those things where I'm like "I could see it, I just find it very unlikely". This case more than most because it implies the people of Tylos met the Horned Rat and knew it was the Horned Rat, rather than just thinking he was Spooky McSpookerson in the cloak (whether it was the Horned Rat or not is basically unknowable). Also I think after the tower started getting built all the coins from Tylos had the Tower on them, although I'm not sure.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II
[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
[X] [ROMANCE] Elector Countess Roswita van Hal
 
Eh. In my books neither the person that got singled out nor the person that did the singling out did anything wrong or noteworthy. Mostly because they were singled out for a misreading of their actual point and the person doing the singling out didn't actually make much of a judgement.
 
Hey, can anybody tell me how we assembled the Spellbooks? Because they've got a lot more spells in them than are just in the second edition core book (especially the Ulgu section), and I'd like to know what source material to look at to create similarly expanded versions for other lores.
 
The second edition Realms of Sorcery supplement.

As for how they were compiled for the quest, some thread participants (apologies, don't recall who offhand) simplified the other wind RPG spell descriptions into similar one-liners to those Boney had used for Ulgu, and Boney accepted and posted them.

So that source is tapped out- all the quest Wind spellbooks encompass the RoS book spells.
 
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Hey, can anybody tell me how we assembled the Spellbooks? Because they've got a lot more spells in them than are just in the second edition core book (especially the Ulgu section), and I'd like to know what source material to look at to create similarly expanded versions for other lores.
Realms of Sorcery, another 2nd edition book.

Edit: Weber'd.
 
Why do people keep voting for panoramia?

All she is gonna do is tie us down and be boring.

Vote dragon!
When looking for someone to get up and excited and go on adventures, the dragon that's been lying perfectly still in a mountain for over a century is near the bottom of that list.

If you want an awesome study partner who can tell you all sorts of historical information as a spouse, the dragon's great.
Want someone who groks magic to a truly astounding level? Cathon wins.
Want someone to go on adventures with? That's Johann, hands down.
 
Context is important. Tasoli isn't the person the GM was responding to, it's been hours since either the GM's comment or the post being quoted, and the post being referred to is borderline on what the GM was talking about anyway. Most importantly, however, singling out voters like this is the exact opposite of how you keep votes polite and non-toxic.
I am neither singin out anybody nor made any judgements in my post. I didn't think to pm Boney tough if it had occured to me I would have. Also hours is a valid timeline for forum response.
 
The second edition Realms of Sorcery supplement.

As for how they were compiled for the quest, some thread participants (apologies, don't recall who offhand) simplified the other wind RPG spell descriptions into similar one-liners to those Boney had used for Ulgu, and Boney accepted and posted them.

So that source is tapped out- all the quest Wind spellbooks encompass the RoS book spells.
Realms of Sorcery, another 2nd edition book.

Edit: Weber'd.
Well, at least I can check out the flavor text. Thanks.
 
When looking for someone to get up and excited and go on adventures, the dragon that's been lying perfectly still in a mountain for over a century is near the bottom of that list.

If you want an awesome study partner who can tell you all sorts of historical information as a spouse, the dragon's great.
Want someone who groks magic to a truly astounding level? Cathon wins.
Want someone to go on adventures with? That's Johann, hands down.

My ambitions are of the research sort, so thats fine with me.
 
This

was not in reference to burritos.

It was a my genuinely shocked and horrified response to the immediately preceding post, which, incidentally, I do not recall having a smiley-jokey face when it was first posted. I was, and remain, very offended.
I've removed the post. It honestly didn't occur to me it was in reference to ninjafish.
This is another one of those things where I'm like "I could see it, I just find it very unlikely". This case more than most because it implies the people of Tylos met the Horned Rat and knew it was the Horned Rat, rather than just thinking he was Spooky McSpookerson in the cloak (whether it was the Horned Rat or not is basically unknowable). Also I think after the tower started getting built all the coins from Tylos had the Tower on them, although I'm not sure.
No, I don't mean they knew it was the HR (and it might not have been the Horned Rat yet), they just knew it was a powerful entity (might have been just a powerful wizard at that time) and made the connection with Taal, a misconception the HR would make use of. Making them an obvious evil up to no go makes for a better story (especially since it's told by the people who thought he was totally evil and legged it), but chances are he appeared pretty benign.

The exact timeline of their arrival, and the start and finish of the building of the tower, is also the sort of detail that easily gets smeared out, especially when it makes for a better story.

And let me repeat: This theory is based mostly on narrative causality, with a little plausibility sprinkled in. But then, we a few words of information right now. Any theory is mostly speculation. I'm sure if we do more research, we'll get more concrete information, and then we can do some more founded theorycrafting.
 
I am neither singin out anybody nor made any judgements in my post. I didn't think to pm Boney tough if it had occured to me I would have. Also hours is a valid timeline for forum response.
Quoting a single individual and saying what is effectively 'this person did something wrong!' is very much singling them out. As for the hours thing, hours are important in a thread that moves this fast. If you count it by pages instead, it's been more than 10 since BoneyM made that post and seven since the post you quoted; the thread has moved on significantly in that time, and yet you're the first person to draw any attention to it. Please, take a moment to consider why that might be.
 
I am neither singin out anybody nor made any judgements in my post. I didn't think to pm Boney tough if it had occured to me I would have. Also hours is a valid timeline for forum response.
going to be honest, that was quoted at me, and I could tell that boney didn't actually want me to do it, that was just a more polite way to say stop. so I stopped.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
 
@BoneyM, given that Mathilde would be able to tell thanks to the coins, I'm curious what timeline you're using for Mourkain/Strygos? I imagine it's either Night's Dark Masters or 8th edition.

The Strigoi didn't even exist in 5th edition, 6th edition doesn't include a timeline but seems to agree with Night's Dark Masters (-1147, Kadon creates Mourkain, is later taken over by the Strigoi, Mourkain falls in -1020 to Orcs, Vorag was the first Ghoul King in -600), 7th edition has Kadon, the Orcs, and Vorag the same, but says that Ushoran found Strigos in -250 and fell to Orcs in -200, which means that Vorag- who in this timeline is called "The first and only Ghoul King"- predates Strigos itself, and then 8th edition keeps Kadon, the Strigoi takeover of Mourkain in -1020, and Vorag the same, but says that Strigos fell in -200, which means that Ushoran was instead ruling for nearly 1000 years and Vorag was a contemporary.
 
In a world as radically different the lightbulb isn't as guaranteed to be as great a turning point in technology and society and economy.
It'd probably be useful among the Colleges, though, particularly in situations where you don't want any fire/Aqshy, or situations where you need a more powerful light than what a portable fire/torch can provide (since scaled up magical lightbulb + a cone of mirrors around the light source = a spotlight.
 
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] [ROMANCE] Elector Countess Roswita van Hal
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] Other (write in): [SOCIAL] Elector Countess Roswita van Hal
[X] Other (write in): [SOCIAL] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
[X] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.

I like our interactions with Roswita and the dragon, but really don't want to romance either
 
It'd probably be useful among the Colleges, though, particularly in situations where you don't want any fire/Aqshy, or situations where you need a more powerful light than what a portable fire/torch can provide (since scaled up magical lightbulb + a cone of mirrors around the light source = a spotlight.
Or they could just cast a Marsh Light.
Marsh Lights: Creates a light or lights at medium range which can be moved around as you desire. Lasts an hour.

Until there's mundane electricity generation in the Empire, at minimum, the lightbulb will remain a novelty.

(Hell, as long as glass is purely artisanal it's going to remain a novelty)
 
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The most interesting answer is the deity that would become the Horned Rat.

Crack-Theory Time!
I think Solden, currently God of Tyranny and Oppression is actually a good fit for a proto-Horned Rat:
" Solden worshipers are organized into independent cells, each of which submits to the absolute authority of a single leader, and their meetings always involve the humiliation and denigration of one of their members"
Imagine an ascendant God of Tyranny, constructing a grand tower to place himself as Tyrant of the Southern Pantheon, and then the stranger comes and offers a deal that the Tyrants of Tylos cannot refuse, for a new god would surely just be subservient to Solden once Solden is Tyrant of even the other Gods.

Then the bell rings and Solden is cast out from the southern pantheon and his peoples are cast out from humanity and cursed, turned to rats.
The Grey Seers are the Priests and Tyrants of Solden who served directly for their horned tyrant.

The rest are cursed to be Skaven, endlessly fighting themselves and eachother for domination and tyranny over their individual cells.
Over thousands of years Great Clans finally rise with specific styles of Tyranny and Oppression that all serve the Horned Rat's Tyranny and submit to the Council's Will.

A tyranny of technology. A tyranny of shadows. A tyranny of flesh-made-coin.
A tyranny of zealous fervor. A tyranny of Militant Order.

He fits as a Southern God, of the trappings of civilization and bureaucracy and early organized rule.

Tilea, those that escaped Tylos, would come to hate Tyranny with a passion. They would likely form a culture described as:
"the Tileans are independent minded, strongly-willed, and some would say, impossible to govern by force"

the Estalians, migrants from Tylos that claimed abandoned elf colonies, may have changed less and emigrated sooner. They have a strong culture of Dueling, and if one is the strongest at swordplay one could become a Tyrant by carving all opposing claimants to ribbons. There is less flavor known of Estalians than of Tileans, so I cannot "crack-theory" further.

but yeah. That's my crack theory. Solden was a human god of Tyranny and reached for becoming Tyranny and Oppression so that he would have undisputed rule of all the Southern pantheon. Wishing to subjugate his fellow deities.
Something went wrong, and instead he became the Horned Rat, the undisputed ruler of corrupt and cowardly rats and nothing else.

there are still some very old and small human cults to the human face of Solden, but his primary worship base is now the Skaven and he hates it.
A Tyrant yes, with a following of those that only worship him, but the individual tyranny and oppression backstabbing and self-inflicted calamity prevent him from exerting his Tyranny over anything further than that. A perpetual punishment for an arrogant god.
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Proto-Horned-Rat is most interesting, with or without it being Solden
 
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The most interesting answer is the deity that would become the Horned Rat.

Crack-Theory Time!
I think Solden, currently God of Tyranny and Oppression is actually a good fit for a proto-Horned Rat:
" Solden worshipers are organized into independent cells, each of which submits to the absolute authority of a single leader, and their meetings always involve the humiliation and denigration of one of their members"
Imagine an ascendant God of Tyranny, constructing a grand tower to place himself as Tyrant of the Southern Pantheon, and then the stranger comes and offers a deal that the Tyrants of Tylos cannot refuse, for a new god would surely just be subservient to Solden once Solden is Tyrant of even the other Gods.

Then the bell rings and Solden is cast out from the southern pantheon and his peoples are cast out from humanity and cursed, turned to rats.
The Grey Seers are the Priests and Tyrants of Solden who served directly for their horned tyrant.

The rest are cursed to be Skaven, endlessly fighting themselves and eachother for domination and tyranny over their individual cells.
Over thousands of years Great Clans finally rise with specific styles of Tyranny and Oppression that all serve the Horned Rat's Tyranny and submit to the Council's Will.

A tyranny of technology. A tyranny of shadows. A tyranny of flesh-made-coin.
A tyranny of zealous fervor. A tyranny of Militant Order.

He fits as a Southern God, of the trappings of civilization and bureaucracy and early organized rule.

Tilea, those that escaped Tylos, would come to hate Tyranny with a passion. They would likely form a culture described as:
"the Tileans are independent minded, strongly-willed, and some would say, impossible to govern by force"

the Estalians, migrants from Tylos that claimed abandoned elf colonies, may have changed less and emigrated sooner. They have a strong culture of Dueling, and if one is the strongest at swordplay one could become a Tyrant by carving all opposing claimants to ribbons. There is less flavor known of Estalians than of Tileans, so I cannot "crack-theory" further.

but yeah. That's my crack theory. Solden was a human god of Tyranny and reached for becoming Tyranny and Oppression so that he would have undisputed rule of all the Southern pantheon. Wishing to subjugate his fellow deities.
Something went wrong, and instead he became the Horned Rat, the undisputed ruler of corrupt and cowardly rats and nothing else.

there are still some very old and small human cults to the human face of Solden, but his primary worship base is now the Skaven and he hates it.
A Tyrant yes, with a following of those that only worship him, but the individual tyranny and oppression backstabbing and
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Myrmidia is missing from the coinage. The deified founders of Tilea are missing from the coinage. Other than that it could be just about anything. Proto-Horned-Rat is most interesting, with or without it being Solden
I like it. Though I think I'd go with a variant: Whatever became the Horned Rat highjacked Solden's plan, and took a good chunk of his powers in doing so, which is why Solden is now a pretty minor god. Perhaps he just to be less tyrannical, but the betrayal convinced him that total subjugation of his followers is necessary.
 
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