Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
If there's any part of the plan that won't work, you are free to bring up them up to the rest of the thread~
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Valid. Hope it never comes to that, or that we never need to field these against aerial gribblies with spellcaster backup or the like.
its not a meme if it works.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I am not sure if this was a typo or a freudian slip.
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
Look, Belegar asked us because he wanted something outside the box.
Second doom tower? Inside the box.
Magically-buffed Runed artillery? That's just two boxes.
Becoming a dragon?
[X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
You're welcome, Belegar.
- Location
- Czech Republic
Honestly Im surprised that Empire is not trying to create army of dragons with that spell. Im sure that there would be plenty of volunteers.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Do they turn into mindless Dragons, or are they of normal intelligence (and people-eating inclination) for a dragon of their size?
How do you make sure that all your volunteers aren't Chaos Cultists ready to eat Altdorf? Only one needs to defect to make the destruction of a major Imperial City a serious concern. Plus, it involves spamming battle magic, which is the sort of thing which gets you sucked into the Warp on a good day.
- Location
- Florida
[X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
This is too quality to pass up.
This is too quality to pass up.
- Location
- Belgrade, Serbia
wat
This would imply that the Ambers(higher ups at least) have the ability to permanently transform people into dragons. Immortality + vast amounts of power just a single battlemagic + dispel away. I haven't seen this supported anywhere and it makes no sense to me. Surely it would have been used at some point in the College's history? I mean, if that is how it works here then fine, it's your world, but it is really jarring.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Either they just didn't think of it, which is fair—weaponizing what's commonly considered a failure takes certain levels of crazy that even wizards don't usually reach—there's other downsides that makes it unfeasible, or they probably refrained from conservation of power. Having an army of dragons is nice, but if you don't have a definitive way to control said army... also, supporting the dragons probably takes a lot of resources.
On my reread, just after the Stirlandian League was destroyed:
It does make me wonder what other details I'm missing. I guess that's something for the next round (and it's super neat that I can keep coming back to it and find more neat things).
Incidentally, we'll be hitting 500k length pretty soon.
There was another example about Schultz being happy with better trade in a somewhat earlier update. I never noticed that until Mathilde told Roswita that he was there for the Talabecland trade. He must be super happy, other people keep doing his job for him.
It does make me wonder what other details I'm missing. I guess that's something for the next round (and it's super neat that I can keep coming back to it and find more neat things).
Incidentally, we'll be hitting 500k length pretty soon.
If it works, then it becomes extra meme.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Derpmind, this quest was always a meme.
Did the Daddy Dating Sim in the Media threadmarks not show you that?
This is taking the comedy that's sometimes seen in the thread discussion and trying to inject it directly into the story proper. I can't help but feel extremely dissonant at the idea that the thread would both vote for this and that Mathilde-the-character would try such a hairbrained and meme-y idea. If the narrative straight-facedly goes along with this stupidity I don't feel like I could read the quest anymore because it's such a complete tone break.
mouli
Terrible QM
- Location
- United States
That's fair, yeah. I'm not voting for similar reasons (and partly out of avoiding having to analyse the plan because I'm on a lazy break from quests rn). Tag me if you propose a decent alternate, and I'll go along I guess. Would prefer not to see someone drop this for immersion break as a reason.
There's quibbles to be made with the 'actual' part, but yes, they could be permanently dragon-y. Anyone who's not an Amber Wizard who uses Amber transformations is rolling the dice to some degree.
Most citizens of the Empire would look at transformation into a dragon to be equivalent to dying.
They start as their same self inside a dragon-shaped body. Long-term mental effects are largely untested.
There are similar rituals that use human sacrifice to summon/create a manifestation of a specific wind, known as Incarnate Elementals. This strikes me as the most fitting Amber equivalent.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
They're the Wild Animal Wind, not the Thinking Wind or the Calm Wind. Creating a gigantic monster that's not biologically inclined to think in human terms, no matter how nice or loyal it starts out, is a problem for human polities, not a boon.
We're Memeing about it, but the basic idea is straightforward and quite reasonable. If you don't want a giant monster eating you all, make a giant monster that can fight the other one and is on your side. It's not like we just came up with this idea, it's a canonical battle magic spell for precisely these situations.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Mathilde is the character who lit a mountain's shadow on fire as a defense system.
Turning people into dragons is exactly the type of over-the-top usage of known magics she does.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
- Location
- Canada
[X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Lit it with the Divine fires of Dwarven Hell, to be exact. Can't forget that part.
- Location
- Germany
It doesn't seem like a bad idea?
There is no single weapon that can be relied upon against a dragon, not if it is smart and avoids the weapon.
Having someone to fight him mano-a-mano while the cannons get in position seems like a solid plan.
Not perfect, as he is still more powerful and has magic, but that argument can be applied to every attempt to counter an old dragon.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
That wasn't her idea though. Credit for that goes to our friends.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
Maybe talk to people and see if any of the Undumgi would be willing to volunteer despite the risks before we decide whether to purchase the altar?
If there's a couple dozen who are jealous enough of dragons to be willing to risk getting caught in transformation, then it'd still work.