jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Even if they have the formula, considering the minuses indicated, cracking that issues is going to be a ****h and a half.
Blood, Sweat, and Tears (WH40k Design Bureau)
- Thread starter DaLintyGuy
- Start date
- Sci-Fi
Still just a switch you toggle to swing the blade back and forth rather than being able to sword fight.
That is a difficult question to answer given its breadth. I'll get back to you on that.
Adamantium is not a "can't even" material. It is near or at the pinnacle of what Humanity has accomplished, being superheavy isotopes alloyed with other Things to form a dense and durable material useful for a variety of tasks. It comes in different grades, of course, but even so.
Plasteel, at the upper edge of what you can make, combines metallic and polymer traits to form a very flexible material for a variety of purposes.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
So our ships are mostly made out of plasteel and other 'lesser' materials currently?
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Probably ceramite as well, since the stuff is used to make buildings alongside rockcrete, and possibly armaplas.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Might be worth a design slot to check out something like 'advanced composite materials'. Because our armor is presumably just thicker merchant hull plating which wasn't really designed for full-scale combat.
If adamantium isn't an option for a while, we can at least poke at the things we can make, and see if we can make something better by using them in a different manner etc.
- Location
- Home
This is stupidly amazing.Updated map with ownership as of the end of turn 0.
------------
I got a new mouse today that actually works and I managed to get a better laptop so I can continue work on the Scorns and Castigations as soon I get the work I have done off my brother's comp.
- Location
- England
Ungaunt's fucked. It arguably sucks to leave a bunch of (somewhat) innocent humans out in the lurch to die but it's the name of the game.
[X] Plan Scavenging, Diplomacy, and the Cavalry
I'd prefer if we consolidate a little, but I suppose that can wait. This knocks out a few key opponents while securing our gains and saving the Subsector's heart preemptively. We do need to deal with getting Bagalog and that Civilized World on board soon, though.
[X] Plan Seeking allies.
-[X] North, Homna String Defense League (20LY)
--[X] 2nd Naval Squadron & 1st Torpedo Squadron
--[X] Defeat all Orcs and heretic forces, aggressive campaign.
-[X] North, Dark Star Alignment (20LY):
--[X] 3rd Naval Squadron & 2nd Torpedo Squadron
--[X] try and find if they are traitors if so blockade their worlds if they are not traitors convince them to join us
-[X] South , Bagalog
--[X] Convince them to join us if that fails Seek an alliance
--[X] 1st Naval Squadron
-[X] Shrine World Lativa
--[X] Fight orcs to support the Adeptus Sororitas and ask them to join us, promise the 3rd Patrol Squadron as a permanent garrison.
--[X] 1st Support Squadron, 3rd Patrol Squadron, 1st Auxiliary Squadron, 1st Calavar Armored Army & 3rd Calavar Infantry Army, 7th Crusade Guard Infantry Army, 8th Crusade Guard Infantry Army
The problems at Latvia seem to be mostly orcs on the ground so i am sending the bombardment ship and our transport with 4 good armies. The bombardment ship can still fight at close range but the 3th patrol squadron is there to help against space based threads.
2 naval squadrons are visiting potential allies as these missions require more then a naval squadron, the 3th naval squadron is joined by the 2nd torpedo to make a bigger impression.
2nd naval squadron is fighting at Homna with its new frigate and a torpedo squadron that should be enough.
-[X] North, Homna String Defense League (20LY)
--[X] 2nd Naval Squadron & 1st Torpedo Squadron
--[X] Defeat all Orcs and heretic forces, aggressive campaign.
-[X] North, Dark Star Alignment (20LY):
--[X] 3rd Naval Squadron & 2nd Torpedo Squadron
--[X] try and find if they are traitors if so blockade their worlds if they are not traitors convince them to join us
-[X] South , Bagalog
--[X] Convince them to join us if that fails Seek an alliance
--[X] 1st Naval Squadron
-[X] Shrine World Lativa
--[X] Fight orcs to support the Adeptus Sororitas and ask them to join us, promise the 3rd Patrol Squadron as a permanent garrison.
--[X] 1st Support Squadron, 3rd Patrol Squadron, 1st Auxiliary Squadron, 1st Calavar Armored Army & 3rd Calavar Infantry Army, 7th Crusade Guard Infantry Army, 8th Crusade Guard Infantry Army
The problems at Latvia seem to be mostly orcs on the ground so i am sending the bombardment ship and our transport with 4 good armies. The bombardment ship can still fight at close range but the 3th patrol squadron is there to help against space based threads.
2 naval squadrons are visiting potential allies as these missions require more then a naval squadron, the 3th naval squadron is joined by the 2nd torpedo to make a bigger impression.
2nd naval squadron is fighting at Homna with its new frigate and a torpedo squadron that should be enough.
- Location
- England
The plan's mostly good but it leaves Bailafax out to dry, or more accurately that general region. The planet itself might be fine with its new defenses, but there are explicitly a couple of other worlds surrounding it that are also sending us money, and we should probably not let raiders have their way with them.
I am not sure if there are worlds nearby that are still under our control as they only provide 5M per turn and that seems to indicate that it is just that world we have in that area with the rest killed by chaos.
- Location
- England
It's only 5 because most of that is going into reconstruction. Bailafax by itself is probably a net drain on resources.
[X] Plan Seeking allies v2
-[X] Central the space hulk
--[X] 1st Auxiliary Squadron, 8th Crusade Guard Infantry Army
--[X] Capture the hulk and search for salvage
-[X] North, Homna String Defense League (20LY)
--[X] 2nd Naval Squadron & 1st Torpedo Squadron & 2nd Torpedo Squadron 2nd Calavar Infantry Army
--[X] Defeat all Orcs and heretic forces, aggressive campaign.
-[X] North, Bailafax
--[X]3rd Patrol Squadron,
--[X] patrol and defend the region
-[X] South , Bagalog
--[X] Convince them to join us if that fails Seek an alliance and trading of tech(they have lances we have engines/shields)
--[X] 1st Naval Squadron
-[X] Shrine World Lativa
--[X] Fight orcs to support the Adeptus Sororitas and ask them to join us, promise the 3rd Patrol Squadron as a permanent garrison.
--[X] 1st Support Squadron, 3rd Naval Squadron, 1st Calavar Armored Army & 3rd Calavar Infantry Army, 7th Crusade Guard Infantry Army, 5th Bailafax Infantry Army
Removed the visit to the Dark Star Alignment to free up a squadron to patrol Bailafax, by moving the 3th naval fleet to the Lativa mission and the patrol squadron to Bailafax.
Sending both Torpedo Squadron to the fight in the league to help there.
With a full naval squadron at Lativa i am assigning the 1st Auxiliary Squadron with a Guard infantry army to clear the hulk
-[X] Central the space hulk
--[X] 1st Auxiliary Squadron, 8th Crusade Guard Infantry Army
--[X] Capture the hulk and search for salvage
-[X] North, Homna String Defense League (20LY)
--[X] 2nd Naval Squadron & 1st Torpedo Squadron & 2nd Torpedo Squadron 2nd Calavar Infantry Army
--[X] Defeat all Orcs and heretic forces, aggressive campaign.
-[X] North, Bailafax
--[X]3rd Patrol Squadron,
--[X] patrol and defend the region
-[X] South , Bagalog
--[X] Convince them to join us if that fails Seek an alliance and trading of tech(they have lances we have engines/shields)
--[X] 1st Naval Squadron
-[X] Shrine World Lativa
--[X] Fight orcs to support the Adeptus Sororitas and ask them to join us, promise the 3rd Patrol Squadron as a permanent garrison.
--[X] 1st Support Squadron, 3rd Naval Squadron, 1st Calavar Armored Army & 3rd Calavar Infantry Army, 7th Crusade Guard Infantry Army, 5th Bailafax Infantry Army
Removed the visit to the Dark Star Alignment to free up a squadron to patrol Bailafax, by moving the 3th naval fleet to the Lativa mission and the patrol squadron to Bailafax.
Sending both Torpedo Squadron to the fight in the league to help there.
With a full naval squadron at Lativa i am assigning the 1st Auxiliary Squadron with a Guard infantry army to clear the hulk
Last edited:
- Location
- Finland
Hmm. Leaving Ungaunt to its fate with a shrug and a what-can-you-do makes me sad. My preferred response to WH40k-style grimness is idealism even in the face of futility and despair, to attempt to be better and hope even if it is just to spite the darkness of the universe.
We probably can't beat the xenos head-on in a fleet engagement with the forces we can spare, even for a generous estimate of can spare, sure. It's unlikely we could negotiate with the xeno given imperial attitudes, maybe. But even with just five minutes of thinking gives me the options of 'raid the enemy to buy time', 'gather ground forces and break the enemy blockade to bring them on the world to support the people fighting there, again to buy time' and probably most promisingly, negotiate with the human polities to the east from the platform of 'let's bond over killing evil xenos who are murdering innocent imperial citizenry nearby in the south' and basically ask for help in relieving them.
We probably can't beat the xenos head-on in a fleet engagement with the forces we can spare, even for a generous estimate of can spare, sure. It's unlikely we could negotiate with the xeno given imperial attitudes, maybe. But even with just five minutes of thinking gives me the options of 'raid the enemy to buy time', 'gather ground forces and break the enemy blockade to bring them on the world to support the people fighting there, again to buy time' and probably most promisingly, negotiate with the human polities to the east from the platform of 'let's bond over killing evil xenos who are murdering innocent imperial citizenry nearby in the south' and basically ask for help in relieving them.
- Location
- England
I'm sorry, but we're busy elsewhere. That's the long and short of it, we'd need much more ships if we wanted to do that in a way that's more than prolonging the inevitable. The local humans we're bonding with by killing different xenos as is.
And from a pragmatic point of view the only other planets in that bracket are Waaagh! Gunbreaka, and if the aliens can fight them that'd be ideal. Seeing as we really need to drain them and we're not doing it ourselves.
And from a pragmatic point of view the only other planets in that bracket are Waaagh! Gunbreaka, and if the aliens can fight them that'd be ideal. Seeing as we really need to drain them and we're not doing it ourselves.
- Location
- Kansas
[X] Plan Scavenging, Diplomacy, and the Cavalry
- Location
- Finland
Sure, we may be busy and the cold calculus of war tells us we benefit more from focusing on where we can expand our hold with less cost and more benefit. But that is what we base our decisions on, then - it's fine if we choose not to help because it's just too costly and doesn't benefit us enough to be worth it. That is the sort of analysis we must do to win.
But it's not fine to make ourselves feel better about it by claiming that there's nothing we can do. We can help them, but we choose not to because it is costly, risky and unlikely to be worthwhile. It's an acceptable decision on its merits, but we need enough self-respect to call it what it is.
But it's not fine to make ourselves feel better about it by claiming that there's nothing we can do. We can help them, but we choose not to because it is costly, risky and unlikely to be worthwhile. It's an acceptable decision on its merits, but we need enough self-respect to call it what it is.
i like that using the salvaged armor does not cost a lot of materials but instead needs our artisans to install it(the 2A cost)
I realy like to meet them this turn an Explorator would be a major boon to our research and they have a large fleet with at least 4 types of ships so if they join we can form a patrol squadron our of those and have ships left over to reinforce our main fleets. If they become our allies we can trade tech with them they can use our engines and shields and we their lance. the currently leading plan might add 3 worlds to our empire but none of those will come with ships leaving us with 3 more places to patrol next turn.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
[X] Plan: Access & Asset Denial
- Location
- Kansas
Gonna rant for a bit, so please bear with me.
At a the scale we are working at, every choice is gonna be shit. We go one place, people die. We go another place, people die. We stay in one place, PEOPLE DIE. The reason is obvious. The sector has been abandoned by the Imperium for some reason. It could be that the Segmentum itself is endangered. Perhaps some front collapsed and the sector was gonna get cut off. Who knows? But the sector is burning, and it's up to our paltry fleet to save what we can. It's not enough. Not even close. But it's what we can do.
Now, am I happy we are leaving these people? No, I'm not. Just like I'm unhappy about Khornites marauding around a hive world. Or how human worlds are occupied by orks. I'm worried about Naval Bastion Gehault and their willingness to crakc down on worlds as the sector is besieged. I'm leery of fighting the aliens and their 4 ranked shields. But I'm especially angry at how the orks got their hands on a Cobra destroyer we had to dismantle. Very angry about that one, actually. Those damn Orks have more IMPERIAL WEAPONS THEN WE DO. THEN WE EVER COULD!!! Fucking Orks. Feels like they get their hands on more Lemon Russes then the Imperial Guard.
But am I sad? No. I'm angry. I'm mad that the xenos have Ungaunt besieged. I'm mad that the FUCKING ORKS HAVE IMPERIAL NAVY SHIT!! But I'm not sad, because I know that this is not final. I know that we can right these wrongs. Maybe not now. Maybe we never right them. But we can. And in Warhammer 40k, that's enough.
Okay rant over. Sorry bout the cuss words, but eh. Wasn't feeling good. Hope you understand my perspective a bit, eh? We can't do much, but we are doing what we can. And that is never going to be something I'm sad about.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
The Orks having all this Imperial kit is easily explained. The Administratum never realized our Sector fell/was abandoned and has kept up the material shipments.* And the people bringing the goods can't tell the difference between an Ork and an ugly human with a skin condition.
*They'll get the first hint when the tithe doesn't arrive on time. And when the fleet sent to restore order arrives they'll be highly surprised to see all the Orks, xenos, and Chaos worshipers running around.
*They'll get the first hint when the tithe doesn't arrive on time. And when the fleet sent to restore order arrives they'll be highly surprised to see all the Orks, xenos, and Chaos worshipers running around.
To be fair, the Orks have spilled over more territory than you have and have a different view of the concept of sustainability.
More seriously, unifying Humanity in Lativa via diplomacy or force is a good Strategic Goal to pursue.
In other news, I would like to update in the next day or so, as my schedule has moved from "Open" to "In Flux" past that. If anyone wants clarification on a point about a plan (on my end, obviously I can't give an opinion on what to do I can only clarify circumstances) please ask.
For the low, low price of invading Gehault, you could too!
More seriously, unifying Humanity in Lativa via diplomacy or force is a good Strategic Goal to pursue.
In other news, I would like to update in the next day or so, as my schedule has moved from "Open" to "In Flux" past that. If anyone wants clarification on a point about a plan (on my end, obviously I can't give an opinion on what to do I can only clarify circumstances) please ask.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Inserted tally
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Don't worry. It happens.
One thing I'd like to know is how 'proper' IN ships are laid out in terms of module types, numbers etc. Because the Heavy Frigate we came up with was apparently a case of overreaching (considering the -1 from module numbers).
Also with the appropriate research would it be possible for us to get around this problem (IE have more modules on a given hull size without penalties)?