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[X] Stay single. Marry for love.

Anton is worth it to find someone he can genuinely love instead of being pressured into it.

In pie in the sky musing, I wonder if after K8P is taken, if it's possible to talk with Greasus or the equivalent ogre ruler to create a safe route for trade; as far as I know he is extremely mercenary and knows the value of trade so it's possible he would be amenable to cooperation with the dwarves.
 
[X] Stay single. Marry for love.

Anton is worth it to find someone he can genuinely love instead of being pressured into it.

In pie in the sky musing, I wonder if after K8P is taken, if it's possible to talk with Greasus or the equivalent ogre ruler to create a safe route for trade; as far as I know he is extremely mercenary and knows the value of trade so it's possible he would be amenable to cooperation with the dwarves.

Greasus supposedly comes into power in about 4 years according to the wiki. So who knows if he will still come to power with the viability of the trade route increasing.
 
Huh. @veekie, you made my paranoia stand up and call for a discreet investigation on the personality of Wilhemina's kids. If they get tempted or corrupted, they have a good chance to ruin Stirland.
 
The best romance options for Mathilde are Abelhelm The Returned, one of Kazador's children once we have enough Dorf Rep and Asarnil
So our best romance options are raising a Witch Hunter as an undead so he can immediately turn around and kill us for desecrating his remains in what may well be the most horrific manner he can imagine, marrying a dwarf which from what I hear would be a completely loveless affair with more in common with a business transaction, or we can woo the Dragon Prince who views humans as particularly clever monkeys, and considers us barely on the level of the most pathetic of elves?

Yeah, I think I'd rather Mathilde remain celibate if it's all the same.
 
Well...I'm assuming you hadn't done a lot of academia before because academics are like prideful, territorial cats. Five working on one paper can get heated.

If you can get a 10 man paper written without an attempted murder somewhere in the middle or giving credit to people who did nothing you'd probably be getting Favor from Wrangling Journeymen.
While I agree that warhammer academia doesn't work that way yet, in RL there are fields where 30+ authors is the norm.

It's all about the complexity of the experiment and the number of people you need to do it - in warhammer, they have still a lot of ground which can be covered by single researchers and small teams. Not so much is, say, RL physics.
 
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So our best romance options are raising a Witch Hunter as an undead so he can immediately turn around and kill us for desecrating his remains in what may well be the most horrific manner he can imagine,
Hey there are multiple ways for Abel to return that don't neccesarily need us necromancing him, ranging from the pretty implausible, like him breaking free from someone else raising him and Mathilde discovering a non-necromancy way of bringing back the dead, to the silly even by my standards, like Ranald stealing his soul for us or warp-based non-linear time shenanigans.

Point is that while studying necromany is the fastest and easiest way to bring back Abel, it isn't the only one. Which means that even die-hard anti-necromantics can safely support MathiAbel.
 
Mathilde's recovery of the Karag Nar hoard means that bringing in income to Karak Eight Peaks is nice to have, but it's not important to the ability to consolidate and grow its holdings.

Belegar has probably already reached the point where the marginal value of extra money is basically zero, as he couldn't spend what he has now for many, many years, and that's assuming he can't get to the remaining major treasuries of old Karak Eight Peaks.

I think people are neglecting that the hold is still surrounded by countless enemies
I'd note that Umdungi leadership and increased Imperial trade would also incidentally generate the College Favor we'd need to rise to Wizard Lord over time, as we get Favor for Economic Benefit to the Empire.

The economic problem isn't income in coin, though it is useful.
The economic problem ultimately is that the Eight Peaks are huge, and requires a huge occupation force to keep and expel the hostile, and that occupation force requires production to arm and feed them.
So take another look at Belegar's Stewardship options:
-Traditional Dwarf Industry - We'd see an initial surge in productivity as the Eight Peaks clans in exile move back in, and resume production...but what next? Dwarf industry produces lots of high quality product, but simply owing to attrition, they'd be low on the elders that produce goods valuable to other dwarfs.
--It will be done regardless, the clans in exile will return regardless, though the clanless moving in will taper off sooner without dedicated support.

-Mining - The motherlode is held by hostile parties, and is directly connected to a major Greenskin stronghold. Once they have it, they could buy whatever they want, but military assessment says it'd be bloody and costly in dwarf lives.
--It will be done regardless, far too many of our initial expedition were miners for it not to happen. That said, smelting equipment and expertise isn't cheap.

-Agriculture - Panoramia is doing her best, but theres a lot of harshly used land here...and it does feed a lot of settlers, this IS still a warzone. This will be an important supporting element regardless, but you need to get settlers coming in.
--The halflings will do this regardless, but they could finish the job sooner with more money.

-Trade - The big deal here is tapping into the Empire's trade networks. Long distance traders of luxury goods, Imperial raw materials, tools for the humans and halflings...and most of all, settlers. This is the fast-growth route, a secure trade route means that you can have settlers who don't need to sign up on a dwarf shipment to arrive, or brave the wilds.
--This part...we can't be very sure how it goes if we don't take leadership. The Umdungi could be anything, but we've just got a firsthand view from Roswita how thrusting an experienced adventurer into settlement leadership tends to go. Not many adventurers were former advisors to a king. Those who are tend to leave rather quickly in the night without telling anyone.
 
marrying a dwarf which from what I hear would be a completely loveless affair with more in common with a business transaction, or we can woo the Dragon Prince who views humans as particularly clever monkeys, and considers us barely on the level of the most pathetic of elves?

This isn't actually correct, dwarves love, they just don't do sexual urges although tbh I'd dispute that it's not really important to the point being made. They're quite capable of loving each other. In an odd way that actually kind of makes dwarven romance more idealised in some ways.
 
Noting that he still needed proof to do it, and he needed a near perfect, Grey Wizard powered effort to do it without crashing the economy.

One big reason Elector Counts don't do this normally is that without justification people start wondering "am I next".

Which works right until they decide to preemptively rebel for fear of being targeted. Or merchants just avoid you because you seize assets without reason.
That is true. But a halfway competent Intrigue advisor could 'find' a reason, and Mathilde wasn't needed to prevent an economical crash, she was needed to stop people getting away.

And sure, you can't do it too often, even with an excuse, because people will get suspicious. Doesn't mean you can't do it. Or you can find a better reason, like an invasion, or something that means people accept extraordinary means, because it's clearly for a greater cause.
 
[X] Marry them...
- [X] Reinhild Gerber
[X] Stay single. Marry for love.
[X] Stay out of it.

[X] 'Head Ranger' (Spymaster), Internal Focus
[X] Court Wizard

Switching my vote to 'literally anything other than marrying Anton'. There's no romantic chemistry between them at present, and while it is true you can develop love into a relationship that started with none... even in the best case, we'd only be seeing him two days a week at most. It's hard enough to maintain preexisting romantic relationships in that sort of situation- building a fresh one from scratch does not seem like it'd go well.

On a personal level, I also just don't see Anton and Mathilde being that compatible. Mathilde is reckless, charges problems with a greatsword and a fistful of magic, and is perfectly happy slitting somebody's throat or doing other distasteful things if it'll make the world a better place. Anton is honest, straightforward, and generally seems to follow the approach of 'do what's right, not what's best' (see: him quiting his job on a point of principle, even though he could have done a lot of good if he'd kept it). They get along well, sure, but when you get down to the deeper levels that would rub against each other in a relationship their views and personalities don't seem like they'd mesh.
 
I would like to think that we could also leverage our position in the EIC combined with our role as Steward and leader of the Umdungi to set up an immigration route along the trade route we have to build up.

The EIC could organise trade and immigration offices along the path, because we need immigrants. Without people, holding Karak Eight Peaks becomes very difficult. The current 4-5000 humans is not enough to field decent support for Belegar. We need to colonise, with Belegar's agreement, of course.

It would also help with the EIC's power, if we started to focus it outward from the Empire. If it starts being considered as an extension of the Empires power externally, it's less likely to need tearing down. Also helps if we use it as a spy network to feed relevant information to both the College/Empire and K8P/Belegar.
 
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Greasus supposedly comes into power in about 4 years according to the wiki. So who knows if he will still come to power with the viability of the trade route increasing.

Greasus may or may not exist, but having a friendly polity guaranteeing safe passage near the Black Fortress strikes me as invaluable. It brings trade from incredibly risky to merely risky since at that point the trade caravans no longer pass under hostile territories (just unclaimed wilderness).
 
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[X] Marry them...
- [X] Reinhild Gerber
In my mind this might be the least problematic for Anton, as she might focus on engineering over politics.

[X] Steward
This I find the most interesting, as there is massive potential to utilize the trade possibilities and Mathilde is the most qualified person to manage it.
 
Someone seems to be confusing the Asur for the Eldar of 40k. Asur don't see humans as monkeys, merely as somewhat uncivilized beings.
 
-Trade - The big deal here is tapping into the Empire's trade networks. Long distance traders of luxury goods, Imperial raw materials, tools for the humans and halflings...and most of all, settlers. This is the fast-growth route, a secure trade route means that you can have settlers who don't need to sign up on a dwarf shipment to arrive, or brave the wilds.
--This part...we can't be very sure how it goes if we don't take leadership. The Umdungi could be anything, but we've just got a firsthand view from Roswita how thrusting an experienced adventurer into settlement leadership tends to go. Not many adventurers were former advisors to a king. Those who are tend to leave rather quickly in the night without telling anyone.

I doubt very much it'll be an issue. Belegar gained support from Barak Varr for the expedition purely on the strength of profits to be made via trade with K8P retaken. The idea that the dwarves won't be doing trade is kind of boggle worthy. Also more importantly we've recovered a hoard of gold, like an absolutely insane amount of it already. Money/income to do stuff isn't going to be an issue for a good long while and more importantly it's very likely that as more of K8P is retaken we'll recover more and more treasures.

There's also the much bigger issue that making a big push for trade right now is frightfully premature, K8P isn't safe yet and enemies like the Skaven absolutely understand economic warfare and there simply isn't all that much to trade. K8P will be a net importer for a good long while. Any thing made inside K8P is going to be for domestic consumption.
 
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- [X] Cordula von Halstedt
-[X] Wilhelmina.
[X] Stay single. Marry for love.
[X] Marry me...
- [X] Soon.

[X] Court Wizard
 
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