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I'm not sure why people are complaining about the terrain, I mean we literally told Cai last update that we'd be willing to take pains to help with the final fight. Thanks to this the Sun don't get to complain when the final battlefield is Bai Aligned.
 
Ayashi said:
To be fair, it's probably for the best. Since we are ... unlikely to defeat Sun Liling, getting this here means that she definitively won't have the terrain advantage in the Finals.
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LoreOfClarke said:
I'm not sure why people are complaining about the terrain, I mean we literally told Cai last update that we'd be willing to take pains to help with the final fight. Thanks to this the Sun don't get to complain when the final battlefield is Bai Aligned.
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Pretty much.

Lilings betting all of her big marbles on saving face with a crushing victory here.

She likely is confident that she can take on whichever of the other Monsters she winds up fighting. Which is...interesting.

And makes it all the more imperative that we drag out as many secrets as we can from her in this match.
 
angelofwhim said:
[Jk] Stand with arms wide open, smiling widely

It's the perfect bluff for...uh...something
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It's different... at last it won't be a repeat of the Shen Hu fight?

Edit: expanding on this, I'm not really sure why plan Penultimate boss fight has us trying to face tank a blender then counter-ambush an specialised ambusher in their favored terrain. Expecially since Shen Hu tried it and failed. I did skip some of the discussion though. Can someone explain?
 
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LoreOfClarke said:
It's different... at last it won't be a repeat of the Shen Hu fight?

Edit: expanding on this, I'm not really sure why plan Penultimate boss fight has us trying to face tank a blender then counter-ambush an specialised ambusher in their favored terrain. Expecially since Shen Hu tried it and failed. I did skip some of the discussion though. Can someone explain?
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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest) - Original - Fantasy | Page 2902

This post of mine covers some of the logic for most versions of Gank the Plant.

The Tl;Dr is that as the system stands right now, a lot of an opponents strength is tied up in their buff stack, which means against a superior opponent the time where you can get the most done is in the early turns when the relative dice gap is smallest.
Adhoc vote count started by BungieONI on Sep 2, 2018 at 7:38 PM, finished with 73272 posts and 20 votes.
  • [X] Plan Penultimate Boss Fight
    -[X] Begin by using Twilight Beauty and expressing both Zhengui and the Horror, use your new insight, GCD, your Fairy Flower headpiece, and all the techniques of TRF you can apply to survive the first turn. Zhengui and the Horror are to buff and heal with Ashfall in the initial stages, until Dhartiri arises from ambush from one of the trees or massive roots that fill the area. Those two are to engage her then, keep her distracted as you finish layering IPF, SEA, and the rest of your defenses. Use the Cai technique upon Dhartiri next, in conjunction with Pressure Crack and follow this strike up with your mightiest Hoarfrost Caress. Use it again repeatedly until Dharitri expires, then grab Zhengui and the Horror, and use the Red String escape talisman to flee and reset the terms of the fight. Heal as you can, prepare FVM up to Traveler's End and refresh your defenses. Without her spirit, Sun Liling will never be able to find you within your mists, so go wild. Throw everything you can at her to drag out the battle and with it her secrets for the sake of your Lady and best friend in the fight to come.
    --[X] There's an outside possibility that, since Elder Jiao was the one to create this formation space, it may share terrain features from that of your Trial with Xiulan. If thats the case, think of familiar locations you can use to your advantage when you use the escape talisman. Every bit of terrain you know better than Sun Liling is one you can turn towards your advantage. Especially that lake.
    [X] Plan Penultimate Boss Fight
    -[X] Begin by using Twilight Beauty and expressing both Zhengui and the Horror, use your new insight, GCD, your Fairy Flower headpiece, and all the techniques of TRF you can apply to survive the first turn. Zhengui and the Horror are to buff and heal with Ashfall in the initial stages, until Dhartiri arises from ambush from one of the trees or massive roots that fill the area. Those two are to engage her then, keep her distracted as you finish layering IPF, SEA, and the rest of your defenses. Use the Cai technique upon Dhartiri next, in conjunction with Pressure Crack and follow this strike up with your mightiest Hoarfrost Caress. Use it again repeatedly until Dharitri expires, then grab Zhengui and the Horror, and use the Red String escape talisman to flee and reset the terms of the fight. Heal as you can, prepare FVM up to Traveler's End and refresh your defenses. Without her spirit, Sun Liling will never be able to find you within your mists, so go wild. Throw everything you can at her to drag out the battle and with it her secrets for the sake of your Lady and best friend in the fight to come.
    [x]plan prepared alpha stike
    -[X] Buy the Scarlet Thread
    -[x]First turn use Scarlet Thread and 10 ring defense to downgrade aggravated.
    -[x]have Zhengui heal us well we buff up and summon allies.
    -[x]loop back around and gank Dharitri with everyone.
    -[x] Plan Play To Your Strengths
    - [x] Use Scarlet Thread immediately
    - [x] Move away from Sun Liling and look for good defensive terrain
    - [x] While running away and once you find your spot, brace for an assault
    - [x] Once Zhengui, the crow construct, defensive techs, and FVM + Traveler's End are up, wait for Liling or her spirit to show
    - [x] Focus fire on the first available target with HC + Cai card, then play things by ear
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PrimalShadow said:
If we had any evidence that Cai actually was wrong here, I might agree with you. But we don't - at best, we know that Ji Rong didn't think he did anything wrong, and this is OOC info from Ji Rong's interlude that Ling Qi has no idea about.
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We don't have any direct evidence, but we had suspected ever since the set-up job on us that it was at least possible. And now, it's literally our job to support Cai. One way of doing that is figuring if and who set a potential Inner Sect disciple against her. Plus all of the self-improvement stuff.

And the first time I argued about this, I had forgotten Ji Rong's interlude. It just wouldn't make sense for him to make that sort of blunder.
 
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LoreOfClarke said:
Edit: expanding on this, I'm not really sure why plan Penultimate boss fight has us trying to face tank a blender then counter-ambush an specialised ambusher in their favored terrain. Expecially since Shen Hu tried it and failed. I did skip some of the discussion though. Can someone explain?
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Shen Hu only failed because he got distracted by the Murderblender tanking him while she beat him down at her leisure. He still managed to get a solid swipe in before Liling broke his domain weapon.

Alternatively, we'll be dodge/face tanking said murderblender while setting up a shot at swiftly killing the specialized ambusher once they commit to the field.

Once that happens, we'll be well-suited to countering their most likely responses out of their known skillset (WEC and HC dont care what you're doing so long as youre in the AoE range so flower fields and trying to disengage wont quite work out as well as theyd hope) and given how much damage Ji Rong took from a similarly buffed HC during our fight with him I don't think it's likely that Dhartiri will be able to survive very long after that initial casting, let alone against the reverb damage echo the next turn. Especially if we use it on her again.

Ideally, Zhengui's tanking and healing with Ashfall support will just be too much of an annoyance for Liling to leave alone, so she'll send Dharitri after him to take it off the table. We're not expecting this to happen until Turn 3 at the latest by the terms of Plan Penultimate Boss Fight. Which more or less lines up with how Liling has used Dharitri thus far in all her other matches we've seen her in.

Setting aside the possibility that "Taking you seriously from the start" doesn't mean that Dharitri wont just go for trying to knock Zhengui out right from the start, of course :V
 
Someone made a good point on the discord that given the way Sun fight until death with no loss of power, focusing on her will not show on her and thus be a face loss, as we would have failed to achieve anything.

As thus I abandon my plan for tehchron one. At least the plant will show damage, and if we get incredibly, crazily lucky we might even win that fight.

[X] Plan Penultimate Boss Fight
 
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[X] Plan Penultimate Boss Fight

Seems long but I guess it's understandable considering how much thread discussion went into it. Hopefully a landslide lead will get the vote closed quickly :whistle::evil::whistle:
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I honestly have no real expectation from this, as we've been all but told she will have appropriate dice to beat us regardless.
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Not being able to win doesn't mean we can't profit from the fight - or fail badly and be humiliated. There are still stakes at play due to us not taking the route of taking one solid hit and conceding.
 
We don't have any direct evidence, but we had suspected ever since the set-up job on us that it was at least possible. And now, it's literally our job to support Cai. One way of doing that is figuring if and who set a potential Inner Sect disciple against her.
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So, your argument is:
  • We know it is possible Ji Rong was framed
  • If he was framed that implies someone in the Inner Sect is against her
  • So we should get to the bottom of this mystery!
That sounds kinda rickety to me. Sure, it is possible that Ji Rong got framed. It is possible that this means Cai has an enemy in the Inner Sect, though I don't think it is at all guaranteed. And if we go out there and spend time to track this down (with our grand total of barely one investigation arts if you count AM), then it is unlikely but possible that we will uncover the truth, which would be of non-zero benefit to us. But stack all this together, and the odds that Ji Rong framed plus that it is important for Cai to know he was framed plus that we will be able to discover that he was framed simply doesn't add up to a significant enough number to make this worth pursuing IMO.
 
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