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@Arkeus made good points.

[X] Turtle Fortress: Express Zhengui and work together to reinforce your position, stacking defenses and area-of-effect debuffs to make ourselves unassailable. If we can sustain an inviolable core, Chu Song will only weaken over time, letting us take her down at our leisure.

Fire turtle is fren. Keep fire turtle happy.
 
Sirrocco said:
Pretty sure that that's because the Han had a particular cultivation technique that let him do that thing. Certainly, they had some sort of cultivation technique that specialized heavily on allowing that tiger summon. My guess is that under normal circumstances, having a spirit at a higher realm than you, if possible, is both difficult and potentially problematic.
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Unless your spirit beast hates you, you can simply have them unbound until you get to green yourself.
 
yrsillar said:
Pre 14 cultivation is primarily useful for setting up a wide base of arts. That was why Han Jian was a slacker, coming to the sect with only one or two. The big three all have pretty wide bases of arts they can swap out if need be.
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Uh, about that. We've been a little confused by that idea because as far as we know, meridians aren't that flexible. Like, the idea that Sun can swap out face-murderin' arts for tracking arts seems a little weird since they should be using completely different meridians. Alt-loadouts aren't impossible, but from what we know they'd require you to rejuggle your entire build in a kind of meridian tetris...

And having a lot of red arts shouldn't give you much of an advantage by green... It's trying to get all those arts up to late yellow/low green that takes most of the time. Also, didn't Meizhen only have like 9 arts at late yellow? Unless we're missing something?

(sorry to bug you)
 
[X] Turtle Fortress: Express Zhengui and work together to reinforce your position, stacking defenses and area-of-effect debuffs to make ourselves unassailable. If we can sustain an inviolable core, Chu Song will only weaken over time, letting us take her down at our leisure.
 
Erebeal said:
Uh, about that. We've been a little confused by that idea because as far as we know, meridians aren't that flexible. Like, the idea that Sun can swap out face-murderin' arts for tracking arts seems a little weird since they should be using completely different meridians. Alt-loadouts aren't impossible, but from what we know they'd require you to rejuggle your entire build in a kind of meridian tetris...

And having a lot of red arts shouldn't give you much of an advantage by green... It's trying to get all those arts up to late yellow/low green that takes most of the time. Also, didn't Meizhen only have like 9 arts at late yellow? Unless we're missing something?

(sorry to bug you)
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Changing elements takes about a week. But you can freely mix and match arts as long as the elements you're running in your meridians are the same.

Which is an advantage that ancient clans have, they can design specialized art suite foundations that they can mix and match freely as long as they put in the effort when they were young to master them, and quickly build on them if needed.
 
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[X] Once More, Into the Shadows
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
 
Erebeal said:
And having a lot of red arts shouldn't give you much of an advantage by green... It's trying to get all those arts up to late yellow/low green that takes most of the time. Also, didn't Meizhen only have like 9 arts at late yellow? Unless we're missing something?
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Yeah, there's no way they had time to grind all their alternate arts up. But if having a bunch of specialized red arts is useful at green, as this implies, then we should take a couple of weeks to gorge in a library...

But even then, it would make more sense for rich kids to wait and do that as well, and just spam qi or something instead before 14. Not sure what I'm missing, here.
 
Projectile said:
Yeah, there's no way they had time to grind all their alternate arts up. But if having a bunch of specialized red arts is useful at green, as this implies, then we should take a couple of weeks to gorge in a library...

But even then, it would make more sense for rich kids to wait and do that as well, and just spam qi or something instead before 14. Not sure what I'm missing, here.
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I think it's a bunch of Argent Mirror-esque things, stuff that can be nearly maxed out before they reach the sect. Said heir comes in to the sect, hits green in a few months, and maxes those out for a decent suite of versatility with the option to domain the arts that they want to build up to higher levels.
 
Axel Fones said:
[X] Turtle Fortress: Express Zhengui and work together to reinforce your position, stacking defenses and area-of-effect debuffs to make ourselves unassailable. If we can sustain an inviolable core, Chu Song will only weaken over time, letting us take her down at our leisure.

I'm sorry Alectai, gonna have to betray you to ensure Zhengui gets to have fun and be happy.
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Oh for heaven's sake, it's not even a good plan. It's just "Assume Chu Song can't do anything and do our own thing as though she wasn't there".

At best, it exposes our tankiness without needing to, at worst, it gives her a shot to cause us problems, and we still do this, just that we probe to find a better position than "Right where we start"
 
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Alectai said:
Oh for heaven's sake, it's not even a good plan. It's just "Assume Chu Song can't do anything and do our own thing as though she wasn't there".

At best, it exposes our tankiness without needing to, at worst, it gives her a shot to cause us problems.
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Yeah don't worry after thinking it through I realized it was kinda meh for me. Just had to get past the cute idea of making Zhengui happy.
 
Axel Fones said:
Yeah don't worry after thinking it through I realized it was kinda meh for me. Just had to get past the cute idea of making Zhengui happy.
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But Into the Shadows also uses Zhengui?

[X] Once More, Into the Shadows
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
 
NaanContributor said:
But Into the Shadows also uses Zhengui?
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Since my statement apparently wasn't clear enough, I meant I deleted my post that voted for turtle fortress because I still thought Alectai's vote was superior and I only got momentarily swayed by the cute idea of letting Zhengui out to play. Which was a moot point since Alectai's plan also takes that into account. I was being silly and I got over it.
 
[X] Once More, Into the Shadows
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
 
[X] Once More, Into the Shadows

I don't like the idea of giving up the initiative and just tanking, even with Zhengui taking the brunt of it. I like Standard Operating Procedure, but Once More seems fairly similar and more flushed out.
 
[X] Once More, Into the Shadows
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
 
Alectai said:
At best, it exposes our tankiness without needing to, at worst, it gives her a shot to cause us problems, and we still do this, just that we probe to find a better position than "Right where we start"
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Both of the people we fight next should know about how good our defense is. That shouldn't be an issue.
 
adaer said:
Both of the people we fight next should know about how good our defense is. That shouldn't be an issue.
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Not really? Haven't we talked/joked for ages how nobody really knows exactly how tanky LQ is outside of CRX and Meizhen? And yeah, I guess there was the time Liling ambushed LQ, but that was a long time ago when LQ wasn't as strong. For all Liling knows whatever defensive art we had that helped us escape wasn't as great as TRF turned out to be.
 
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Axel Fones said:
Not really? Haven't we talked for ages how nobody really knows exactly how tanky LQ is outside of CRX and Meizhen? And yeah, I guess there was the time Liling ambushed LQ, but that was a long time ago when LQ wasn't as strong. For all Liling knows whatever defensive art we had that helped us escape wasn't as great as TRF turned out to be.
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There's that, though I don't know how much it stands now, but more interestingly we've never actually fought with Ji Rong man to lady. So there's at least a fog of battle related to lack of personal experience.

I think the last time he might have had personal involvement in a battle we were also in was the Thunderdome where Sun stabbed us.
 
Yeah, Ling Qi and Ji Rong have literally never directly come to blows, it's honestly kind of hilarious.
 
BungieONI said:
There's that, though I don't know how much it stands now, but more interestingly we've never actually fought with Ji Rong man to lady. So there's at least a fog of battle related to lack of personal experience.

I think the last time he might have had personal involvement in a battle we were also in was the Thunderdome where Sun stabbed us.
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We jumped him with GG, the Ma sisters, and company some time before the surrender.
 
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