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OwS's teleport doesn't improve our speed, it just means we don't move in the intervening space. GCD isn't a teleport as such, though it does improve speed.
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Alectai
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More importantly, it also improves stealth.
And if Chu Song gets sloppy, we can set up an instant ambush and doot her in the back of the head too.
If Chu Song reaches Ling Qi in the first round it means that she can cover 100 meters in one action; if Ling Qi uses GCD and OWS to move she will still be less than 100 meters away and Chu Song can repeat the first round to hit Ling Qi twice with impunity.
Honestly, if people are somehow married to using stealth it's still better to use FVM to set up fog and give low light rather than run away and cede the initiative to Chu Song.
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I think there is a more fundamental problem with plan "Once More, Into the Shadows" and that is using "One with Shadow" to try and escape Chu Song. One with shadow isn't an instant, so if the same rules apply we won't be able to dash once we use "One with Shadow." So we will be able to move a total of 43m away from Chu Song, for the cost of 7 qi. I don't think that is far enough way to make a difference in escaping her, and it is a good chunk of our qi.
We might be able to expand that distance with AS "Booming Leap" but that would basically remove any semblance of stealth we try.
Furthermore, if Chu Song has any way of interrupting escape or disengagement attempts and successfully damages us when we activate "One With Shadows" then the technique ends, resulting in a wasted action and 4 qi.
I just think that this plan falls short when considering the goal of the first turn and the qi spent to achieve that goal.
We might be able to expand that distance with AS "Booming Leap" but that would basically remove any semblance of stealth we try.
Furthermore, if Chu Song has any way of interrupting escape or disengagement attempts and successfully damages us when we activate "One With Shadows" then the technique ends, resulting in a wasted action and 4 qi.
I just think that this plan falls short when considering the goal of the first turn and the qi spent to achieve that goal.
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Alectai
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Oh, it's worse, because Ling Qi isn't immobile during this. For this to be true, Chu Song needs to be able to move 151 yards and still be able to attack at the end of it, and she has to be able to do this cheaply enough to be Qi Neutral.
That kind of speed is fucking absurd, and if she's that fast, it probably came at the cost of everything else of note.
Like, let's be realistic here, 151 yards in a single turn without it being a ridiculously expensive opener would be broken as hell, and would mean that supports are a joke who get instantly macked on by facepunchers. Doubly so since it would have to be accessible on a disgraced, destroyed household's resources, which means it's relatively common.
So no, I don't think "But stealthing is meaningless because she'll just instantly teleport to melee again no matter what" is a valid criticism. Because even Sun Liling on a ducal house's art suite who relies on being a facepuncher, can't just instantly teleport to melee range through all obstructions.
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On the good side we won't have to intentionally throw the match against CRX (or Meizhen), which is nice.
On the down side, i was expecting a easier fight than Chu Song and harder for Ji Rong (seriously, why does he get feed a scrub/yellow ???), so we would face Ji Rong with advantage of intelligence, instead of the other way around...
On the Tactics PoV, the best result would be to have Zhengui win the fight:
We use Zhengui to stop and fight against the teddy bear, normal pet vs pet fight, and Zhengui beats him while we make Chu Song run after us.
Once the spirit pet's duel is over we have Zhengui fight Chu Song directly (while we support him, ofcourse).
Not only is Ling Qi awesome enough to make a higher cultivator run, but even her pet is awesome-sauce and can beat a higher realm cultivator!
Start-of-the-year!Sun Liling would dismiss him out of hand, and probably insult him too.
End of the year Liling ? Between the life lessons she got force-feed and how she is most probably feeling the deep need for minions? Probably not.
If she does show at least some character growth it's going to be a lot harder to try and rope Shen Hu in our faction after/if Liling tries to do so too.
Though facing Xiulan would probably be his personal least favorite option...
On a normal year it would be blatant favoritism towards the second year disciples.
Here and now ? Preeetty much the opposite!
I really hope the Sect gets a kick in the balls for how easily they give in to the faction of Ducal House of an other Province.
This needs to happen!
On the down side, i was expecting a easier fight than Chu Song and harder for Ji Rong (seriously, why does he get feed a scrub/yellow ???), so we would face Ji Rong with advantage of intelligence, instead of the other way around...
On the Tactics PoV, the best result would be to have Zhengui win the fight:
We use Zhengui to stop and fight against the teddy bear, normal pet vs pet fight, and Zhengui beats him while we make Chu Song run after us.
Once the spirit pet's duel is over we have Zhengui fight Chu Song directly (while we support him, ofcourse).
Not only is Ling Qi awesome enough to make a higher cultivator run, but even her pet is awesome-sauce and can beat a higher realm cultivator!
the important part of the fight in my opinion isn't going to be the result (Liling is going to win "easily") but rather how she'll treat Shen Hu while/after doing so:
Start-of-the-year!Sun Liling would dismiss him out of hand, and probably insult him too.
End of the year Liling ? Between the life lessons she got force-feed and how she is most probably feeling the deep need for minions? Probably not.
If she does show at least some character growth it's going to be a lot harder to try and rope Shen Hu in our faction after/if Liling tries to do so too.
Only for Meizhen, Liling vs Ling Qi is going to happen at the "same" time as CRX vs Meizhen.
That is the advantage of training "more than you can carry" Arts. Which is fair considering Sun Liling probably also has quite a few extra years of cultivation on us.
Could have been worse: he could be facing Ling Qi !
Though facing Xiulan would probably be his personal least favorite option...
Seems to me that part of the plan for the brackets was to make the first years fight the second years, as in "If you can't win with a year advantage then you really don't deserve to pass" ?
On a normal year it would be blatant favoritism towards the second year disciples.
Here and now ? Preeetty much the opposite!
Which is kind of pissing me off. Ji Rong was shown no reason to be favored like that: he has no political weight, has no achievement over the year beyond his green cultivation level, and his one fight was kind of sad with him needing to team up with an ambush to face and take down a peer...
I really hope the Sect gets a kick in the balls for how easily they give in to the faction of Ducal House of an other Province.
Crossing fingers right now!
This needs to happen!
Shen Hu is Green 2, anyone that expects Yellow realm HJ to win is deluding themselves, noble clan or not.
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The question is though, is TRF first turn defense with GCD any better? Are we confident it can tank whatever thing Chu Song is going to use?
I'd think so.
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[X] Once More, Into the Shadows
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
I look forward to Chu Song knocking us through a bunch of trees only for us to stand up and brush dust off the bark like shell surrounding us and yelling "That felt like a baby's kick, SONG"
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If Chu Song doesn't clear 100 meters on the first round Ling Qi will get the first strike. Your plan (as I understand it) posits that after Chu Song gets in Ling Qi face, Ling will disengage and stealth. How is Ling Qi supposed to clear 151 meters in one round and stealth?
Alectai
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She's got a ranged sword slash is the issue.
It's much more likely she uses that on us while otherwise closing then it is that she somehow teleports to melee range on us, and by breaking contact, she can't spam that unless she wants to waste Qi devastating the landscape--in which case, more power to her.
The whole point is to gauge her speed and perception, and depending on what it looks like, either drop a Zhengui Surprise Attack and turn for the main fight, or get enough range to set up our killstorm and then swoop in as a team together.
OwS makes establishing stealth in an environment with lots of shadows like this very practical.
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Am I the only person who thinks Han Fang has a puncher's chance against Ji Rong? The narrative is against him but in terms of fighting styles they both seem to be able to dish out a lot more damage than they can take. Ji Rong also demonstrably doesn't have the ability to auto-spot Han Fang. A better chance if he's on his guard, sure, but not a sure thing.
If Han Fang manages to disengage from the initial fight and strike from ambush I think he has a shot.
If Han Fang manages to disengage from the initial fight and strike from ambush I think he has a shot.
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After the first round, if we went purely defensively, we would have Ten Ring Defense, Thousand Ring Unbreakable, Grinning Cresent Dancer, and either Deepwood Vitality or Hundred Ring Armament. If we went with purely bigger dice that would be
4 + 4 + 6 + 4 + GCD's dots = 22 dice. Add that to our base defense in full light of 27 and we have a total of 49 dice defense. In addition to the first damage being totally mitigated
I have a hard time imagining that Chu Song will be throwing out 50+ dice on the offense. Furthermore, Zhengui's Ashfall reduces opponent's offensive by another 4. So Chu Song would have to be throwing out more dice than Meizhen threw out during our spar a month or so ago. Something which I don't see happening.
Edit: it gets even better for us after we start FVM in the second round, with the additional defense and the -3 to our opponent's offense.
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We actually might have more meridians then her. We have had access to the white room and she hasn't. Also meridians is one of those cases where talent matters more then resources.
And what stops her from using it again to strike Ling Qi at range? Using both GCD and OWS will require a full action which means that Chu Song will still advance and be in range to hit Ling Qi next turn.
And I am going to remind you that without the auto-sux that won't trigger (no darkness and Ling Qi is at the same stage or worse than Chu Song) Ling Qi stealth is middling.
Alectai
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We get Low Light automatically with Twilight Beauty for 1 Qi, and I refuse to believe a ranged sword attack is going to be capable of accurately tagging Ling Qi, or cheap for that matter.
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Possibly? Unless Han Fang has an amazing disengage or defense he's going to get splattered by Ji Rong when the Sayian Boy Wonder pounces.
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Meridians isn't the point.
The point is that Liling probably has had years to develop multiple Art Sets for different situations, and it's entirely fair she can bank on that investment when the situation rises.
Ling Qi on the other hand has had her hands full with raising her cultivation to green and getting a (somewhat) decent Art Set up to par in a single year.
Yes, someone that spent years training is, and should be, at an advantage over someone that trained a single year.
Alectai
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As we've established so far.
A head start in Cultivation before you're 14 rarely amounts to an overpowering advantage.
Like, let's take Meizhen, she's maybe four months ahead of us with comparable talent, but she's been Cultivating since she was like, 8.
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It doesn't matter how many red arts she had. That doesn't gain her much time due to how cultivation progresses. Training them through yellow and green is the problem.
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If it isn't capable of hitting Ling Qi it won't be used, Chu Song isn't an adversarial computer that can accurately do all the right moves to fuck the human over because it is input reading.
Like heck, if the sword is so weak it's better to use Spring's End Aria and focus fire on the bear while Chu Song is still in range while retreating. And then rely on the debuff caused by SEA and Zhengui's ash cloud to land the mist.
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So how I think the first turn of this goes is thus:
Chu Song zips across the first 100 meters and makes a charge boosted attack. Ling Qi dodges(likely successfully) using GCD and OWS. OWS provides stealth and movement in any direction at less than 51 meters. With stealth now active, Ling Qi can break distance and setup.
Is this what you imagine happening @Alectai?