Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Problem is, Wind/Mountain/Thunder is a combination I can see as having interrupts built in, and the best way to beat a spiritualist or someone with ramp up time is to prevent them from starting it in the first place. Using our opener to get distance and force her into a nasty question where she either has to let us ramp up unopposed or chase us on a wild adventure seems the best way of reclaiming the initiative.

Forting up isn't a wrong choice, but I don't feel it's the best choice here, because it's trying to compete against a battering ram with your front door. Sure, it might hold--but it's still a suboptimal decision.
 
Wen Ai recently broke through and Kang Zihao managed it around the same time Liling surrendered.

I would also caution against trying 'unconventional' strategies that are just as likely to make Ling Qi play herself (like what led to the loss at the dark dreams arc). Playing to your strengths is almost always better than playing to the opponent's weaknesses, and using FVM causes a low light field that Ling Qi can hide in anyway.
 
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Green
In the dark of his barracks, Wang Lei sat and breathed, trying to focus qi into his dantian. Although basic training was over, he had yet to unlock his qi, and he refused to let this stand, no matter how long it took. But to correct it, he needed to meditate. He ignored the snoring of his bunkmate. He ignored that he needed the rest for his patrol tomorrow, and the months of work with no progress at all and that he still wasn't sure what a dantian feels like and. He sat and breathed. Finally, he felt something. At first it was so small he believed that he had imagined it, but then the feeling grew as energy suffused his body until it was as if his steps could shake the mountains and his fists could split the heavens. Even as he collapsed, one thought remained. 'I want to keep feeling like this'

Over the following weeks, Lei had adjusted to life as a cultivator, and found it to his liking. He could move more easily, think faster, and was, if not good, at least decent at everything he tried. Civilians on the street respected his authority. He felt powerful. He was powerful. Even if he couldn't shake mountains, this was enough.

Looking at the broken body of the spirit beast before him Lei realized that he had been wrong, his strength was nowhere near enough. This beast was not exceptional, merely grade 2, if a powerful example of such, and yet it had carved a swathe through the guards who had confronted it, until it had finally been brought down by several officers working together. If he hadn't been patrolling on the other side of the city at the time, he would be dead. He needed to get stronger. Fortunately, he knew just how to accomplish that.


Every day Lei's squad would go out drinking together. While not every member would attend every time, most showed up a few times a week. Despite this he had refrained from attending all week, drawing concern from his friend, Feng De.

"Wang, are you sure you don't want to come? You've been shutting yourself in all week"

"Yes, I need to keep cultivating. I can't let myself stay this weak."

"You know that you're never going to be stronger than the beast was, right?

"That's only true if I stop trying."


Finally, after years of effort, cutting costs to afford just one more spirit stone and spending every spare moment cultivating, he could feel his dantian surging with energy. Joyfully he pushed his qi against its walls and could feel it start to give. He kept pushing until… Pain! He collapsed to the floor crying tears of blood. As he slowly crawled to the medic's office, he finally understood the real reason so few reach yellow.

As he attacked his bottleneck, refilling his dantian only to be wracked with pain and start again, Lei expanded his focus. Although he refused to give up when he was so close, there were other paths he could also follow. He spent endless hours practicing with his spear, ironing out inefficiencies in his gait, and otherwise trying to perfect his every action. After years of blood, sweat and tears his efforts were recognized, and he was promoted to second in command of his squad, with a corresponding increase in salary which he fed back into his cultivation.

As he meditated, his dantian refilled for the tenth time, Lei realized something. True strength is the ability to keep walking. No fist, no matter how strong, accomplishes anything if not swung. No leg, no matter how sturdy, accomplishes anything if it takes no step. Then, as if striding forward, his power surged. Finally, he had broken through!


Lei sat, nursing a drink, as his squad partied around him, celebrating his breakthrough to yellow, his imminent promotion, and probably that his replacement would likely be more lenient than he. There was something about the whole thing that bothered him, but he couldn't figure out just what it was. As he sat, Feng De approached holding out a stronger drink

"Stop brooding Lei, this is supposed to be a celebration. Now that you've reached yellow you can live the good life. Unless you do something really bad they won't dare fire you just so they can have another yellow guard, and they'll pay you better too."

"You say that as if I'm as lazy as you, De." Lei grumbled, taking the drink

"True, you wouldn't do that, but that attitude of yours just means you'll soon be at the top instead." Feng De laughed as he walked off.

Sighing, Lei realized why everyone's attitude annoyed him. They were acting like this was the biggest thing he would ever accomplish, that going further wasn't even a possibility. He supposed he would just need to prove them wrong. "Although" he mused "delaying just one day wouldn't hurt. This is a milestone after all." Taking a swig, he moved to join the party.


Over the next decades, Wang Lei advanced through the ranks of the Shaohai city guard, until his friend's prediction came true and he advanced to become captain. In that position, he applied the same relentless determination that he had learned from his cultivation, improving the training and organization of those under him. His refusal to give up also inspired those under him causing a small but significant increase in the yellow cultivators within the guard. Even as time after time his body and qi rebelled against him he still refused to give anything less than his best into everything he could do, attempting to break through again and again until…

As he pushed once again against the walls of his dantian, Wang Lei found himself drawn into a vision. He stood on a steep slope, extending far beyond his ability to perceive. To his left was a mysterious cave, to his right was a plateau where his friends were laughing and drinking together, and below was a peaceful lake. As he looked across the mountain and the choices arrayed before him, Lei laughed. He already knew what he was going to do, he had known for years by now. He was going to climb, and then he was going to keep climbing, because even if the path was too hard to finish, he refused to be so weak as to give up.




AN: This was inspired by the realization that even someone at talent 2 can reach green in a few decades with minimal resources.
 
Oh, also, @yrsillar , should I specify for Ling Qi to pop On The Wind as well for the chase bit, or will she just do that automatically to stay ahead of Chu Song?
 
We don't know when Wen Ai got to green compared to Kang Zihao, and we know that some people do have their spirit beast get to green before them (Heijin).

Wen Ai was "new" to green at Week 46, new enough that she still hadn't set her foundation. We know Kang Zihao was bronze by week 37, although granted, we don't know when he hit full green.

It really isn't. You don't get to be a Ducal's vassal without it being a big deal. GG and LQ being CRX's vassals is weird and a huge gamble on CRX's part. Sun Liling might have made a similar gamble, but Sun Liling isn't lacking on trustworthy vassals already.

Maybe when Ji Rong becomes a famed general at Indigo or something. It's too early for anyone to assume he is a vassal.

No, he might not be an official vassal, but he is a vassal. He's basically being treated like how Ling Qi was treated in the first half of the year, as a vassal of Bai Meizhen, even if Meizhen hadn't extended an official offer yet. For all intents and purposes, Sun has claimed Ji Rong and no one else will offer him (for fear of offending the Sun) until Sun Liling very clearly releases him to his own devices just as neither Gu Xiulan nor Cai Renxiang would move on Ling Qi until Bai Meizhen herself let it be known that Ling Qi was free to accept other offers.

That happened off screen, yes. A bit above Ling Qi's head

Ah. Probably happened at the Xuan meeting then (the one we didn't get to attend but where all the other bigwigs did).
 
she had recently broken through.
Alright; the point still holds with Han Fang though. 'nameless random' only says things about who we've associated with. It does mean they weren't making a big splash in Cai Renxiang's plays, but that was also true for Shen Hu so could easily be true for people weaker than him. It wouldn't even really be shocking for one of them to have a green spirit beast like Han Jian. The core point is that for the people in-universe there's no difference between 'nameless random' and 'named person who is expected to lose to Kang Zihao.'
 
[X] Once More, Into the Shadows
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
 
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Ji Rong getting a pass is the most annoying part though. Like, Kang Zihao at least has obvious backing and is green/bronze. Ji Rong though....

Ji Rong showed his stuff, I fully expected him to get a pass.
Yeah; that is fair. Ji Rong was one of the only Greens who had to really fight tooth-and-nail for his spot in the first qualifier. Other Greens fought (see us vs Shen Hu, or Chu Song vs Gu Xiulan), but they only had to avoid losing to a peer to advance, not win. Ji Rong needed to win - and he did. In that light, it makes sense that his second qualifier match is a gimmie.
 
Oh, also, @yrsillar , should I specify for Ling Qi to pop On The Wind as well for the chase bit, or will she just do that automatically to stay ahead of Chu Song?
I feel like if our stealth isn't enough we should just revert to standard tactics here...

Hmm, one advantage of the stealth plan is that it can provide good setup for the next fight. It's the kind of strategy that could easily lead to someone like Ji Rong underestimating us, or thinking that the important thing is to gear for speed and perception so we can't hide.
 
Planning this from Chu Song's POV, my thoughts would be to go straight for the Alpha Strike. She's specced for speed and probably power and Ling Qi is known to have serious DoT and evasion/stealth skills. By hitting first and hitting hard, you might not be able to end the fight but you could drain and distract Ling Qi enough that she can't build up her more potent arts or effectively escape.

With that in mind, I'm thinking Argent Storm to power jump the hell away right off the bat, then try and work on concealment. The bear could be used to ensnare us as well, so maybe have Zhengui take him on head to head and back him up as ranged support?

Can't really read existing plans well on my phone. Will place an actual vote once I get home.
 
Yeah, basically, the idea is to force her to either chase us (Which she probably knows she has to do), and then spring a Surprise Zhengui on her and turn and ambush, or she lets us go and we can spool up and hit her with the force of an angry god.

Ling Qi is stupidly fast, and now she has Boom Leap for some charge potential too if she needs it. More importantly, we saw that brute-types tend to rely on their charges, and if you can force them to use them too much, they start to tap out.
 
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- [ ] take off all clothes and crush the opposition. What better way to make a statement than to win while nekkid?
 
Am I the only one who thinks the Kang Zihao situation might actually very nicely calculated nose tweaking of the emperess' faction?

His fights have all been calculated to give him and the Empress face by allowing him into the inner sect, but his fights have all been distinctly unimpressive and it's obvious that he got in on the strength of his connections, compared to literally eveyone else in the tournament who, regardless of their political connections are likely to have much better personal showings. He's not really going into the next year looking good. Especially if his round of 8 opponent ends up trashing him.

After all, backing may just be another kind of talent. But in this year of monsters having it be one's only, or at least dominant talent is distinctly unimpressive.

It gives him face, but is also something of a stealth insult, intimating that he's not really up to a proper challenge and given all the high level politics going on he can't even complain. If the question 'why didn't he place higher' gets asked, well the sect did what it could with the level of political push the empress was putting in vs the 3 ducal families who were actually present and throwing their weight around. Heck it's even possible one of the families (Bai, though I wouldn't put it past Shenhua to to give a passing kick to someone else who made enemies of the Cai) deliberately set him up this way and intends to have him trashed next round. You can't keep him out but you can make sure everyone knows that his only real talent is his backing.

It's the sort of carefully crafted, non-face damaging insult that you can't really retialiate over, especially since pushing too much goes back to officially sanctioning Kang's really, really blatant attempt to murder Meizhen and Ling Qi.
 
Yeah, basically, the idea is to force her to either chase us (Which she probably knows she has to do), and then spring a Surprise Zhengui on her and turn and ambush, or she lets us go and we can spool up and hit her with the force of an angry god.

Ling Qi is stupidly fast, and now she has Boom Leap for some charge potential too if she needs it. More importantly, we saw that brute-types tend to rely on their charges, and if you can force them to use them too much, they start to tap out.

If Chu Song is going before Ling Qi and closes the 100 meter distance while attacking, then Ling Qi has no real chance to disengage her.

Like, what even? Chu Song can't be fast enough to close the distance on Ling Qi in one round and yet so slow that Ling Qi will outpace her afterwards.

EDIT: Real talk, Chu Song knows that Ling Qi is a sneak and likes to hide in the FVM fog, so I am going to assume that she isn't a total idiot snd would have perception boosting arts equipped. By contrast Ling Qi's stealth doesn't have the darkness auto-sux and Chu Song probably has a stage advantage.

Trying to gamble on stealth working in an adverse environment rather than play to Ling Qi actual strengths strikes me as a waste of turns and qi.
 
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Ling Qi is stupidly fast, and now she has Boom Leap for some charge potential too if she needs it. More importantly, we saw that brute-types tend to rely on their charges, and if you can force them to use them too much, they start to tap out.
That was back in red when everyone had no qi. I don't think it applies here.

The main issue with them I can see is that Boom Leap isn't a sustained buff, so if you're casting it every turn you'll fall behind in the buff race.
 
X] Once More, Into the Shadows
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[X] Once More, Into the Shadows
-[X] Wind, Thunder, and Mountain are Elements primarily good at getting in your face and then beating you to a pulp there, they're not necessarily so good at situational awareness. Make use of One With Shadow and Grinning Crescent Dancer to fade into the darkness of the forest--using Twilight Beauty if needed to achieve Low Light early on--and deny Chu Song a target while finding a good spot, and then arrange an ambush along with Zhengui. If she decides to sit tight instead, she can accept you having as much time as you want to spool up your mist and other debuffs, and fall on her with the force of an avalanche. Be willing to summon additional help with Abyssal Exhalation if you need to set up a multiple attacker mosh pit, but keep PLR and the Horror up our sleeve at the moment.
 
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That was back in red when everyone had no qi. I don't think it applies here.

The main issue with them I can see is that Boom Leap isn't a sustained buff, so if you're casting it every turn you'll fall behind in the buff race.

It was an example, not the entirety.

Seriously though, even if Chu Song has a melee leash and goes "FITE ME 1V1 NO RUNNING" with a Taunt art or something, One With Shadow + Grinning Crescent Dancer lets us oppose that, because both are all about slipping past confines.

And if she can move over a hundred yards repeatedly at zero cost--or at least cheaper than we can maintain our speed, because we get a move too...

Well, we have bigger problems, like dealing with someone faster than fucking Sun Liling despite having a fraction of the resources, and specced to beat faces in beyond that.

More imporatantly, our biggest feats so far that are widely known are that Ling Qi may be sneaky, but in a fight, she calls up the big hellmist and then peels you apart. The winning condition to that is to get into melee with an interrupt, and then pommel strike her in the face any time she brings her flute up. I'm suggesting we invoke the Grinning Moon for our opener instead of the Dreaming Moon, and go full trickster, which is a counter to the logical counter of our displayed capabilities in the previous match.

Chu Song is forced to try and track someone who simply does not transit through space as we know it, and is likely forced to use perception arts to compete with us. We get the option to open up distance and then spool up the hellstorm--or if she actually can keep up with us, we can drop Zhengui on her along with a pile of goons and ambush her.
 
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If Chu Song is going before Ling Qi and closes the 100 meter distance while attacking, then Ling Qi has no real chance to disengage her.

Like, what even? Chu Song can't be fast enough to close the distance on Ling Qi in one round and yet so slow that Ling Qi will outpace her afterwards.
GCD and One With Shadow allow for Ling Qi to move a large distance instantly, and the expectation is that while Chu Song can run in and in my mind attack within the first turn a dodge and run with GCD and OWS mean we can break the distance and force a head start which we can then maintain. So it's not exactly an accurate comparison of the two situations. There's also a difference between initiative and actual speed which hasn't been erased yet in a system change over.



I got to thinking and this demonstration of Domain combat between Shenhua and Suzhen means that army battles probably look a bit odd between cultivators, to put it mildly. You could have a case where the entire officer Green+ corp will be working together to create a collection of Domains. And then it'll basically be a battle of scenery from mythology.
 
I'm unclear why we are trying to stealth here. Our stealth is not something we invested in heavily; we've got at best one Stealth art, and honestly not even that. Do we really want to be pinning our strategy on that?
 
[X] Once More, Into the Shadows


I figured we'd be fighting Chu Song; Shenhua already crushed the Chu, so it would be beneath Renxiang to fight her, but it would be appropriate for her vassal to. I'm also thinking that Shenhua is testing Qi here to ensure that she's strong enough to serve her daughter by pitting her against a peer.
 
I'm unclear why we are trying to stealth here. Our stealth is not something we invested in heavily; we've got at best one Stealth art, and honestly not even that. Do we really want to be pinning our strategy on that?

Because it's still better than most people can match?

Sable Crescent Step is a great stealth art. That someone who's perception stacked can defeat it doesn't mean that Ling Qi hasn't exhibited the ability to get to all sorts of places she shouldn't be able to go in the past, and even other perception focused people haven't necessarily been able to beat her.

Chu Song's build and ideal strategy for fighting Ling Qi's exhibited fighting style, is not one that has much to spare to win against a stealth based approach. Not casually after all. And we've got a lot of shadows that we can use to suddenly show up in.

We channeled the Dreaming Moon in the previous match, it's only fitting we grant our first patron some face in this one.
 
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