Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
 
By the way, is there any list of translations of all the punny names in the story? It's often mentioned how "bad" Ling Qi's naming sense is, but the only pun I know about is Zhengui.
 
We are trying.
How about you! What do you want Ling Qi's domain to be or do?
Well, it seems like you're assuming that this is the first choice in creating it for some reason. It isn't. The first choice was when we decided on having "Home" as our Domain. Everything after that has to take that into account, because that's where we're starting from. It will be easy to shape for a little while, but even with that in mind we'd still be starting from the metaphysical concept of "Home".

I think another thing to keep in mind is that while our character's aesthetic can be something we describe with OOC knowledge (such as all the art and myth about European fae) the Domain theme should almost certainly be something understood by Ling Qi as well as the players.

Beyond that, there are two possibilities about what AM provides thematically. Either taking it at all provides the theme of knowing one's self and surrounding as they are, rather than how you or other would present them, or the thematics of it depend on which subvote wins here. That's something that I think we need to know before we can really get into trying to build something after the first option here.

Firstly I think that people are being wildly, hilariously optimistic in taking the small fluff description as meaning we will always know ourselves completely, not least because it invalidates a lot of potential character growth.
It seems pretty reasonable to believe that that's what it would become in time. After all, our domain will scale. I don't think a perfect understanding like that is likely until...probably Prism? Maybe even White? Certainly not soon. However, having Ling Qi grow to have no ability to lie to herself, and later to see the lies in other things around her...that seems like it would be really interesting. Both for character interactions and just to see how that effects her in her day to day life.
 
The more I think about it, the more I realize that AM just isn't a perfect fit for us. It is a great insight, but there is no way to make it into a seamless fit; if we can make it a fit at all, it is going to be forced.

I doesn't I don't want our future to be tinged with regret, and I think we are much more likely to regret taking this insight than not taking it.

[X] Discard this realization
 
is there an art that is a perfect fit? TRF is the closest to home related but even then its a stretch. What would a home art look like?
 
So looking at growth patterns, based off Home improvement with Domain.
[] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.

This one is easy. We look at how Home's bonuses grew, where the bonus broadens in nature, and expands in range with our domain.
So the range is almost certainly going up as we advance. The other growth points are:
-Breadth: Perception is a base, and a reasonable extension would be to include Investigation, Empathy and possibly Larceny/Survival/Socialize at a stretch.
-Frequency: Once per combat/scene can become once per roll, though that's quite powerful and likely comes later.
-Intensity: It can certainly add a static dice bonus later on as well, especially once it runs out of valid skills to expand into.

Here, Argent Mirror is focused on How To Help People See. This is thematically things like the Xiulan scene this update. This is the mirror in the great hall of the home, to help our guests see where they cannot, through the mist and fog we cast.
In terms of practical utility, the sensory enhancements would likely let us eventually have our friends pass through our mist and fog arts unhindered, because they can see clearly so long as they hold our friendship.

[] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.

Upgrade wise, its likely to broaden the definition to penetrating other forms of deception, and to see through the illusion of existence eventually. Not much to say about it, bigger dice, broader applicability.

This one is a little more esoteric. It focuses on discerning lies and seeing through illusions, even as our build with FVM and PLR creates more lies and illusions. So here, Argent Mirror is the Eye of the Storm. Everything whirling about in chaos and deceit, but the home in the center is steadfast and untouched.

[] Discard this realization

Slot limitation argument aside(seeing as its a high quality art, and arts of good quality slotted in will develop well regardless), perhaps we don't want to make truth and understanding integral, and prefers to extend the illusions we wield to our very nature and self.

Certainly internalizing Argent Mirror could impede such a path, though it'd only be crippling if we seek to lose ourselves upon it like Xiulan is looking to lose herself upon the path of lightning.
Not really my thing, seeing as I've been in favor of making Argent Mirror a Domain Art to begin with, as I liked the themes, but I can see where the path of illusions might appeal.
 
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I'd rather slot TRF than AM and I think our non-music arts shouldn't be too numerous in our domain. AM is a great art but I don't see it fitting our domain long-term.
 
I'd rather slot TRF than AM and I think our non-music arts shouldn't be too numerous in our domain. AM is a great art but I don't see it fitting our domain long-term.
Depends on your vision of the domain, but remember the Home domain is the peak in the middle of the reflective lake, where the moon shines and is reflected once again.
Thematically, Truth and Self Reflection is an important supporting element of both Moon and Music, though both could do without it
 
Music is a pretty important component to it in my opinion. Music is something Ling Qi associates with positive memories of growing up with her mother, one of the few things she enjoyed from that time. It's also pretty central to her time in the Argent Peak Sect, another home. If we look at what the vision was when we selected the domain, music featured in it alongside several other features.

That isn't to way we should definitely do the music thing with her domain, or even really considering what it'd do, but chances are music arts would generally fit in fairly well and can be taken in a number of directions.
 
[X] Discard this realization.
Adhoc vote count started by Rhydarson on Jun 5, 2018 at 12:44 PM, finished with 62726 posts and 105 votes.
 
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
 
Man, I am so late to the discussion...

Anyway, just want to chime in that AM sounds like Discern More About Yourself at this stage than Know Your True Self.

Also, discerning lies has a tendency to make the discerner less trusting, unless paired with good Wits score to realize the reason of the lie.
Discern if one is lying? Discern which portion is the lie? Discern the truth hidden beneath the lie? Ambiguous.
Truth hurts is a saying for a reason.

Ling Qi probably need to shore up more Resolve if she wants to truly internalize AM and discern her own lies. People often uses lies to shore up their self, like that time Ling Qi faces her selves under the well.

But sometimes lies are there for... Society's sake. If one can discern truth from lies, would one still utilize lies? I hope so.

Perception reroll-wise, interesting, because it is basically a second glance. Narratively, the user don't just depend on first impression, and also reminds her close allies about the fact.

Meh, random 2 AM musings.
 
I don't know, Ling Qi being unable to lie to herself sounds a lot like, "No lies in my home." And given what we're gonna be doing for Cai Rexiang it could prove to be an interesting dichotomy.

[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
 
Well, it seems like you're assuming that this is the first choice in creating it for some reason. It isn't. The first choice was when we decided on having "Home" as our Domain. Everything after that has to take that into account, because that's where we're starting from. It will be easy to shape for a little while, but even with that in mind we'd still be starting from the metaphysical concept of "Home".

I think another thing to keep in mind is that while our character's aesthetic can be something we describe with OOC knowledge (such as all the art and myth about European fae) the Domain theme should almost certainly be something understood by Ling Qi as well as the players.

Beyond that, there are two possibilities about what AM provides thematically. Either taking it at all provides the theme of knowing one's self and surrounding as they are, rather than how you or other would present them, or the thematics of it depend on which subvote wins here. That's something that I think we need to know before we can really get into trying to build something after the first option here.


It seems pretty reasonable to believe that that's what it would become in time. After all, our domain will scale. I don't think a perfect understanding like that is likely until...probably Prism? Maybe even White? Certainly not soon. However, having Ling Qi grow to have no ability to lie to herself, and later to see the lies in other things around her...that seems like it would be really interesting. Both for character interactions and just to see how that effects her in her day to day life.

Alright, so what arts do you want to see that fit your idea of the home domain.
 
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
 
I think one of the fundamental issues is that the comforting Home aspect doesn't really mesh easily with a lot of the Arts LQ has. She's a defensive support, sure, but her Arts are about things like dying lost in the woods or being frozen to death in blizzards or being devoured by the hungering darkness. Instead of a home for our friends, we're more like the inverse of the idea of home for our enemies, and while duality can be a cool concept it also tends to be unwieldy and hard to police well.

Add to that that this AM revelation is difficult to square with either side of the most obvious duality, and you can see why we're all living in a Confused Domain right now. It's hard to see the condition of our Domain really improving either, as voting for it piecemeal like this is just going to have people tugging at whatever they think is the coolest at each point, since any reasonable coherent plan would be the sort of compromise that likely wouldn't please everyone anyway. It's almost as if we're trying to do weekly cultivation plans with a vote by line instead of by block.
 
I think one of the fundamental issues is that the comforting Home aspect doesn't really mesh easily with a lot of the Arts LQ has. She's a defensive support, sure, but her Arts are about things like dying lost in the woods or being frozen to death in blizzards or being devoured by the hungering darkness. Instead of a home for our friends, we're more like the inverse of the idea of home for our enemies, and while duality can be a cool concept it also tends to be unwieldy and hard to police well.

Add to that that this AM revelation is difficult to square with either side of the most obvious duality, and you can see why we're all living in a Confused Domain right now. It's hard to see the condition of our Domain really improving either, as voting for it piecemeal like this is just going to have people tugging at whatever they think is the coolest at each point, since any reasonable coherent plan would be the sort of compromise that likely wouldn't please everyone anyway. It's almost as if we're trying to do weekly cultivation plans with a vote by line instead of by block.
What Ling Qi's arts are doesn't really have much to do with what domain she is aiming for, though. Or rather, she is going to interpret said arts for her domain. This is why we had the two choices we got, as those were interpretations. I strongly suspect that depending on the current choice we make now, the choices we'll have when we finish FVM or TRF or SCS will be very different. Discarding AM, picking the support domain option, or picking the personal domain option should all change the options available for the next art.
 
We are trying to brainstorm. So just throw out what you think a home domain would look like without thinking about arts or what's possible.
I already have, actually. I made one including the "see through lies/illusions" option here. The general idea would be that Ling Qi leans in to the protectiveness that her use of Dark pushes her toward to become something of a guard for those she cares about. For allies to be in her presence would be as if they were as safe as if they'd ever felt as a child, knowing that Ling Qi would keep them safe from outside threats. She would be the mother that skips meals so that her child does not go hungry, the father that only gets to see his child for a few hours each week because he knows they depend on him working and making money, the walls that keep out the winter chill and the distant howling wolf. To threaten those that are hers would be to provoke a mother bear, to insult a husband's wife and children, and to taunt the garrison on a castle wall.

The anti-lie subvote works into this by letting her see though any deception or any trick from those who would harm her family, and AM generally would let her always put what matters most to her-the safety of those she cares for-ahead of pride or passing fancy.
 
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We are trying to brainstorm. So just throw out what you think a home domain would look like without thinking about arts or what's possible.

Is that really productive? There are certain Arts that are just going to go into our Domain, hell or high water. After a landslide vote in favor of AM I don't think there is any way we could keep FVM, FSS, or SCS out of the domain no matter how poorly they fit. Even Arts like PLR and TRF would have a very difficult time losing votes like this. Unless we want to have to dance around most of our useful Arts with cultivation plans specifically made to avoid the whimsy of the larger population of the thread, certain Arts are going to get into our Domain and we need to be at least a little prepared for that if we don't want it to become even more confused than it already is.
 
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