Those are our generic breakthrough bonuses. I'm sure even the most trash tier art we apply to our domain will get a buff as we level up, but that doesn't exactly change the fact that Argent Mirror is probably the lowest tier of art we can even add to our domain. Personally, I'd rather we use our limited domain slots on something with more value in the future.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
Unseelie
(Verified True Fae)
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Not a fan of the idea of a pure-support domain that some here seem to favour.
What exactly does "permanent" for a passive effect mean? Do we also have the bonus when while the art isn't equipped?
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- United States of America
Yeah, it has been transmuted to be a part of Ling Qi, and the art is no longer necessary to have the effect. There is a whole list of these types of effects under the... cultivation tab in the character sheet I believe.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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I dunno I read that as saying that Traveler's End is broken up into two parts, with the second part learned at the Final Measure.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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I read that as saying that Traveler's End is broken into two parts, with the second part learned at the final measure.... and saying that Traveler's end is the final technique of FVM and not of FVM+
Yep. Mostly this is a thing we get from Cultivation Arts, but combat arts occasionally have them as well. E.g. I think FVM gave up permanent immunity to penalties from low-light/darkness.
BungieONI
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Yeah, but how does that imply the existence of FVM+? To me that structure implies there isn't an FVM+.
On a different topic entirely, after some thought I think PrimalShadow has a good point.
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
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- Reno
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[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
Personally I'm quite alright with character development in the direction of refusing to be bullshat.
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
Personally I'm quite alright with character development in the direction of refusing to be bullshat.
'More value'... Uhm, you're joking, right? Know Thyself is Priceless, and that - that very thing - is the Lesson Argent Mirror holds for us. Ignore the other bonuses, the dice, the reroll. Knowing who you are, and why you do what you do, means that others lose leverage over you. That Ling Qi can center herself, even when her alignments push her in directions she doesn't really want, and understand the truth behind her actions, behind all the little lies we tell ourselves to make us feel better... without judging herself for doing those things.
It'll help us not do the sort of thing that Gu Xiulan did these last few months - how sharply she changed, from the girl who said that 'appearances are power' to one who is solely worried about appearance because she is afraid of what her mother would say? - and keep ourselves largely as we are, even as we delve ever more deeply into the moon-dappled shadows and haunting melodies.
"If you know your enemy, you will win half of your battles. If you know yourself, you will win half of your battles. If you know yourself, and your enemy, you will not be defeated."
-Paraphrased.
The Argent Mirror Domain is a perfect opportunity to ensure that we know who Ling Qi is, and that we continue to know who she is, IC and OOC.
As for lowest tier? That the lesson is learned and understood matters far more than when you learned it, or how hard it was to learn.
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
Some interesting changes here. Firstly, from what I can tell Ling Qi now wouldn't need to spend an excessive amount of time "renewing" a Horror she didn't use over 2 weeks, though it does cost resources to keep ready. I think as we progress deeper into the income curve it could well be worth it to just permanently keep a Horror in reserve. It would be economically infeasible now, but once we are say, spending 1500 RSS a week on GSS to cultivate with, a mere 12 RSS per CL per week becomes something of a drop in the bucket. Even moreso, keeping a horde of scouts around just for spying is useful too, and would serve both purposes.
The quick deploy action for the Horror is also very encouraging. It seems like it is an Instant to deploy (Perhaps less? I wasn't aware it took actions at all to change weapons, but our quick actions are instants, so...), preassembled directly from a storage ring, which surpasses the expectations of most people regarding how awkward it would be. It being preassembled also would suggest it won't cost combat Qi to deploy.
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And if you think you can better use the personal benefit to keep yourself and your friends happy and/or healthy? What then? Because that's the actual question here. Ling Qi is going to use either of these things to try and help friends, so we once again get back to the question of which one is more helpful more often.
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[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
For those worrying about the level of the mirror, as long as we're careful it won't be a problem.
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No, it isn't. There has been almost no discussion yet as to a plan to build our Domain going forward. A single choice is by no means a trend, and assuming that choosing to use something with a personal buff rather than one that affects allies means we're going to vote to be a spy and nothing else seems frankly absurd.
Besides, of course working for CRX is going to affect everything we do. We took a lifelong position working for her, so of course we'll be taking what we'll be doing for her into account when planning our builds.
No.
Obviously not.
Many, many people have already said this in the thread: being honest about yourself and seeing the world around you for what it is are both incredibly valuable. For anybody.
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
@yrsillar Could you clarify the Serene Reflection/Tranquil Rebuke fusion for Argent Mirror? It reads like Tranquil Rebuke lost its +4 general spiritual defence dice, and that the +6 dice spiritual defence dice from Serene Reflection only apply if a debuff is dispelled, which would require getting hit in the first place(and the attack applying a debuff). This makes Tranquil Rebuke weaker as a Response, because it has less dice and can't activate when the first half does give it dice. The +6 also seems restricted to being against the attacker on the Response, which means Tranquil Rebuke only has bonus dice against that one enemy on subsequent turns.
Is this the case, or does Tranquil Rebuke simply benefit from the +6?
Is this the case, or does Tranquil Rebuke simply benefit from the +6?
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That we are getting even if we pick the other choice. It is the core part of the art.
I have seen a lot of people going for the illusion and lies option because it is the one that help with Cai work. Thus why I asked if the plan is to continue picking up Domain effects and make LQ's Way a spy mistress path.
And yet I have seen a lot of people saying that they are picking it due to the "help" it gives with Cai work. So is that the plan going forward? We do not have that many Domain effects to work with and they only really shine when they actually synergies with each other. So just picking this as a one of effect will hurt more in the long run then going forward with it as a theme and Way.
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You seem to be assuming that this would only fit for being a spy for some reason. That's not at all the case; "defending your loved ones and home from underhanded tactics" is a perfectly valid theme to fit an ability to see through lies or illusions into, and a very reasonable theme for Ling Qi to go for.
I sincerely do not care at all about the 'lesson' as the art itself is the lowest tier we can get for our domain.
I also think you're greatly exaggerating the value of the lesson as well. 'Know thyself', is some of the most cliche stuff in fiction and I wouldn't at all be surprised if we see dozens of other arts that teach the same. The emphasis you're putting on it feels a bit silly to me.
BungieONI
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Why is AM a low quality art in your view?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Because being harder to bullshit is, in fact, a useful skill when we hang out amongst the fae and are pretty much considered an adoptive cousin?
Having clear eyes and resistance to deception in all of its forms shouldn't be rejected just because it's also handy with our day job. A single reroll for us and our besties is good, but it only applies to Perception checks. It trades off applicability in exchange for sharing the benefits.
And there's something to be said about keeping a clear head against deception. We won't always need to fear ambush, where the reroll is most critical, but resistance to lies is a precious treasure.
Having clear eyes and resistance to deception in all of its forms shouldn't be rejected just because it's also handy with our day job. A single reroll for us and our besties is good, but it only applies to Perception checks. It trades off applicability in exchange for sharing the benefits.
And there's something to be said about keeping a clear head against deception. We won't always need to fear ambush, where the reroll is most critical, but resistance to lies is a precious treasure.