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Character-building: legit dangerous.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Character-building: legit dangerous.
Pretty sure we've got a dust-up between the Gorn and Ittick-ka scheduled, no doubt soon followed by a major war with the Cardassians and HoH at the same time, a Borg or Dominion invasion, a hoard of possessed Honiani pouring out of the Eye of Chaos, and then maybe the Klingons awakening space Cthulhu or the HoH sending operatives disguised as Mormons door to door diplomancing the entire population of our core worlds.
... I probably should stop giving them ideas.
Dare I ask what this is?
Shard
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My opinion is that 'Sizeable' doesn't cut it, particularly for 'Stop the War'. 'Overwhelming' is more what we'd want.
Thanks!
Night
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Well, how overwhelming is overwhelming? We could conceivably sacrifice everything else and throw fifty ships at stopping the war, but that would almost certainly be overkill. How many is enough by your standards? Forty? Thirty? Twenty? Because right now Briefvoice has about fifteen ships budgeted plus three diplomacy-boosting attachment teams.
It does raise the question of why we're even bothering with them. I know the Federation's goals are supposed to be about accepting other races and working towards a better future, but there will Be civilizations that are just not compatible in their current state.
Let the Cardassians or the Klingons try to gain favor with them. We have more pressing concerns at the moment that don't involve the monarchal lizard people who have territory well outside our borders.
Hell, they're a better fit for the Klingons anyway. I can't see the Cardassians authoritarian regime with a focus on not wasting resources going over well with a society like the Gorn.
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[X] Briefvoice
I agree on the smaller subvotes, and I don't see more than marginal improvements to the plan. We need to really squeeze as much advantage into our TFs this year as possible, especially since the QMs seem to want to make the lead in to Federalization as stressful as possible...
I'd prefer not to. To justify spreading out into so many TFs this year, we need as much chance of each TF succeeding as possible. +2 is enough to flip near failures into successes. Still, there might be other attachments worth spending the pp on instead.
Some other possible atachments:
Super expensive for a +1, but for a TF that's guarenteed to have opposed rolls every quarter it might be worth it... if it wasn't so damn expensive.
I think this is applicable to to the Corps Are Lying To Us tag. This entire thing was kicked off by piracy, after all.
Hard to see the advantage of mitigating failures, but if it's as important as preventing a war it might be very well worth it. Changing a big -40 failure into a -20 is essentially worth 20 relations score.
There's a point of sufficient passed presence events where the +3 relations adds up to being worth 10pp, but I don't really know where it is.
This is a straight +20 relations for 5pp. Weirdly straightforward. [On the Brink of War N/A] is a mainly diplomatic tag, I'd assume.
So he pays for himself on a single successful quarter, and can gain more pp from there. Basically generates us some pp if on an easy TF, but still costs us 5pp up front before starting, so probably a skip this year.
I agree on the smaller subvotes, and I don't see more than marginal improvements to the plan. We need to really squeeze as much advantage into our TFs this year as possible, especially since the QMs seem to want to make the lead in to Federalization as stressful as possible...
I'd prefer not to. To justify spreading out into so many TFs this year, we need as much chance of each TF succeeding as possible. +2 is enough to flip near failures into successes. Still, there might be other attachments worth spending the pp on instead.
Some other possible atachments:
Super expensive for a +1, but for a TF that's guarenteed to have opposed rolls every quarter it might be worth it... if it wasn't so damn expensive.
I think this is applicable to to the Corps Are Lying To Us tag. This entire thing was kicked off by piracy, after all.
Hard to see the advantage of mitigating failures, but if it's as important as preventing a war it might be very well worth it. Changing a big -40 failure into a -20 is essentially worth 20 relations score.
There's a point of sufficient passed presence events where the +3 relations adds up to being worth 10pp, but I don't really know where it is.
This is a straight +20 relations for 5pp. Weirdly straightforward. [On the Brink of War N/A] is a mainly diplomatic tag, I'd assume.
So he pays for himself on a single successful quarter, and can gain more pp from there. Basically generates us some pp if on an easy TF, but still costs us 5pp up front before starting, so probably a skip this year.
I should note I also have a lot of the really good ships in there. We are completely out of Member Centaur-Bs. I drafted them all!
Member Explorers are really expensive for the price, and member cruisers are so-so (and we can't take many more Orion or Betazoid ships anyway).
Member Explorers are really expensive for the price, and member cruisers are so-so (and we can't take many more Orion or Betazoid ships anyway).
Um, BTW I think you're missing the "[X] [TASK]" bits in front of the two [NEW] task forces in your actual vote post.
Oh thanks, corrected!
Okay, I need to step away from the computer for a while. Weill be back later.
We need more Centaurs faster than anyone can build them!
Forgothrax
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The issue with drafting more ships is that we can only get a handful of Explorers or we end up with mediocre old ships. 24 points is enough.
[X] Briefvoice
[X] Briefvoice
Shard
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I would want 25 ships in honesty.
Within the current vote, I would:
Move the Spirit (Excelsior-A) from Sol to TF Unity
Move the Pathfinder (Excelsior-A) from CBZ to TF Unity
Move the Enlightenment (Renaissance) from from SBZ to TF Unity
Move the Tarrak (Excelsior-A) from from HBZ to TF Unity
Move the Zarayet (Excelsior-A) from GBZ to TF Unity
Add 'Rixx Scrutineers' to TF Unity
Add 'Ventil Oyana' to TF Unity
Add 'Technocracy Interstellar Ministry Diplomatic Team' to TF Unity
It's really good with the larger TFs like Beyond or Unity; 5 or 6 makes it definitely worthwhile.
Forgothrax
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Absolutely not. That's a recipe for failing events and then we lose due to PP leaching.
The Rixx Scrutineers do seem like they're uniquely suited to TF Unity.
Both Yokathi Lakhept and Ventil Oyana seem like a good idea for TF Royal. The first one since its starting small this year and more likely to fail checks, the latter is thematically appropriate if we ever want to attack the Orion tag.
Hortance might be good for the Adrazzi Gulf TF since it's unopposed and thus more likely to trigger every quarter...
Shard
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It would be much more preferable than having a war between our affliates on our hands.
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Considering the massive ship crunch and impending federalization, should we delay the Centaur refit by one year?
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Just to be clear this is voting for Briefvoice's first plan which draws up as many ships as is feasible this year right?
Just to be clear this is voting for Briefvoice's first plan which draws up as many ships as is feasible this year right?
trooperist
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Dickensian Nightmare? Does that mean some kind of excessively large wealth disparity?
This question has already been both asked and answered, but in essence yes.
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I think it specifically refers to the combination of aristocracy, hereditary political power, undemocratic institutions, and wealth disparity, all of which combine to create a system more ghastly than any one of them would be independently.
I imagine that if this were 2305 and we had the tag system in place for dealing with Orion, they'd have a [Gibsonian Dystopia] tag or something.
The thing is, the Cardassians seem to think they have a chance and are going to start working on the Gorn right now. If they succeed, then it becomes a problem for us. We don't necessarily NEED to affiliate the Gorn. But we DO need to ensure the Gorn remain neutral, or at least not pro-Cardassian, and do not start wars on our own borders. And that's all Task Force Royal has been assigned to do; "Affiliate the Gorn" is not their job.
The thing is, Ashtarr always applies his +2 to the same roll. He's not targeted, he only helps us if that specific roll would otherwise be a failure, and a failure narrow enough that a +2 on the die roll would be decisive. I don't think that's worth 10pp up front when there are other things we could buy that would be good too. Like, say, another attachment for Unity!
...Like, we could buy the Rixx Scrutineers for Task Force Unity instead of Ashtarr for the Gorn task force!
That gives us another Presence reroll very likely to impact antipiracy or anticorporate operations. @Briefvoice, what do you think?
For Presence-heavy task forces, Renaissances are a pretty good choice too... but the thing is, most of the member Rennies belong to the Core Four. It would be frustrating to spend a premium recruiting a bunch of Tellarite/Andorian/Vulcan/Earthling Renaissance-class cruisers, only for them to pass into our hands on their own within a year. Very expensive leases!
Moving all those explorers is going to REALLY kick us in the shorts on event response. Pathfinder, Spirit, and Enlightenment all respond frequently to events in and around their sectors, and in their absence some things that would otherwise have gone well are likely to go badly.
I'm not sure it would benefit us very much; Centaur-As are pretty un-amazing ships to throw at a task force for event rolls. Plus, we've already refitted most of the Centaur fleet anyway, if not literally all of it.
Shard
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I mean, this assumes we aren't using scaling successes.