Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
- Location
- Earth
[X] Status Quo
[X] Ask Cai to commission you a Domain Weapon with the Void Shard
[X] Ask Cai to commission you a Domain Weapon with the Void Shard
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
That is not something that a flying sword does. If you want that then we should commission the sword ourselves and ask Cal for a necklace.
Just have it eat ambient Qi. Turned up to its maximum potential.
All evidence seems to indicate that standard procedure for battlefield relevant Qi-regen is absorbing the stuff straight from the environment either through arts or Talismans.
Especially considering Sun Liling, and the implications such a thing would have when turned against an enemy's Domain.
Edit: Screw it ill do it myself lol
[X] Status Quo
[X] Ask Cai to Commission a Domain Weapon with the Umbral Shard
-[X] Enhance the materials Qi devouring aspects to their very utmost, consuming Qi in the environment, and if possible, from the enemies Domain upon clashes.
All evidence seems to indicate that standard procedure for battlefield relevant Qi-regen is absorbing the stuff straight from the environment either through arts or Talismans.
Especially considering Sun Liling, and the implications such a thing would have when turned against an enemy's Domain.
Edit: Screw it ill do it myself lol
[X] Status Quo
[X] Ask Cai to Commission a Domain Weapon with the Umbral Shard
-[X] Enhance the materials Qi devouring aspects to their very utmost, consuming Qi in the environment, and if possible, from the enemies Domain upon clashes.
Last edited:
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ah.
Well, there's a very good reason in my mind to get a decent domain weapon over the flute. Extra actions(I'll discuss this in more detail after I cover some preliminary stuff).
Our Neophyte's blade is garbo, it's a training tool and not an actually effective combat Domain Weapon in Weapon vs Weapon combat.
It's dice pool assuming we can get to Domain 1 is going to be 2*(6+5+0)+0+0 = 22. Also assuming that Neutral element and the comment that it wasn't forged with an elemental alignment means it has no element bonus(Can you clarify this please @yrsillar). 22 is rather disadvantaged against certain Green opponents who also have a better quality Domain Weapon and Domain at 1, basically full stop. I'm thinking this list of Green opponents potentially includes Gan, Kang, Ji Rong, Chu Song and the Monsters. The reason is that, looking at our meridian distribution we have 6 Darkness meridians. Our peers are probably going to have a similar number in their own elements central to their build with more being likely because they actually have fully developed builds while we had to spread out in places. Excepting of course Ji Rong, depending on how far he ended up spreading himself.
In those people who have more focused builds I feel I can reasonably expect a +8 from elemental bonuses. Additionally I would expect that since these people's weapons are of respectable quality they will have passives which come from the weapons themselves. I don't have a decent handle on what a reasonable passive would be but 3 to 4 seems okay. All together if they have a similar stat spread of 6+5 and the elemental and passive bonuses which produce a total of 33 to 34 dice. This is a very wide gap, wide enough that I expect our blade to be destroyed in the first handful(my current intuition says 2) of engagements. And this is where the extra actions bit comes in. If our blade is downed in the first 2 rounds, we won't have our full defensive suite entirely engaged from what I recall and the enemy now has a free extra helper which can attack us, Zhengui, or the Horror. On top of whatever special abilities the Weapon might have. This of course does not include any kind of SP or similar which the Monsters may have in small numbers.
From this I can gather we will not have a great time under the moderate weight of actions this applies in our opponents favor. While we may not be able to fully benefit from a Domain Weapon made using fourth grade materials, I expect to gain at least +6 dice to the roll which makes it way better than it is now, on top of whatever special abilities it ends up with after manufacture that we can use; like Qi drain to synergize with Elegy. (And that's a note too, the other Greens likely have arts, which in some way synergize with a Weapon. Ranging from arts that directly boost a Weapon, to arts which simply have synergystic technique effects with a property the Weapon has). Better quality weapons also logically have better durability and DV.
Something similar goes with our flute. It is not a given at all that we will be able to use it to full affect before we breakthrough to Cyan if we upgrade it with fourth grade materials, although this chance is less than with D-Weapons and the reduction applied is likely less than with D-Weapons. Upgrading it would be an excellent idea, but using the Umbral Shard on it does not seem like the best idea when it gives great effects for something else.
TL;DR I disagree with the idea that Domain Weapons are not going to be relevant enough come tourney time that our time is better spent on getting a pretty baller flute upgrade.
We do not know this, not exactly. An explicit Flying Sword of the actually stabby metal shape persuasion will probably not be a source of that effect. Given the absolutely mindboggling variety of effects available to Xianxia universes, and the hinted at huge variety of Domain Weapons, not having a Qi Drain Domain Weapon of some form or another be possible is going to be very very strange because as evidenced by us right now the demand exists. And if the demand exists in a Xianxia universe, someone is going to be trying to fulfill it and succeeding in some fashion.
Point actually, though I would reverse what is on either side of the "if possible" because absorbing Qi on clashes should be really easy for something based on the Umbral Shard. It's a no brainer essentially. Enhancing the environmental consumption is a good way less direct, and thus in my mind is not as good a "fit". You feelin what I'm sayin?
Last edited:
My knee-jerk reaction to selling the mirror is that we shouldn't do it and should keep it forever to make a defensive thing, but I can't help but think that is the wrong move. If the mirror can sell for the kind of cash that can make a difference for a new fief surely it can sell for the kind of cash that lets us totally upgrade our equipment to appropriate levels.
...Make up your mind about whether you want to cheese mechanics or narrative powersets.Point actually, though I would reverse what is on either side of the "if possible" because absorbing Qi on clashes should be really easy for something based on the Umbral Shard. It's a no brainer essentially. Enhancing the environmental consumption is a good way less direct, and thus in my mind is not as good a "fit". You feelin what I'm sayin?
Trying to do both is even less of a fit and thus will not work. At least by going all in on the Qi-consuming stuff we get the weight of narrative behind domain clashes later on, and for the short term it hard counters one of the few outs to Ling Qis fighting style.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Way way way over the amount required to upgrade all of our gear to whatever spec we want and that the Sect can provide(Which is probably a bit less than Renxiang's talisman).
Like, a minimum value that I would expect is 4 Green stones. Minimum. Fief's ain't cheap at all.
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
[X] Status Quo
Best Girl shines once again.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I was focused on narrative actually. Hmm. Ah my bad I think I misread your vote a little. Don't mind me
E: I thought you mean actual physical contact with the opponent's body to suck out their Qi via their Domain for some silly reason.
She really is adorable isn't she.
Last edited:
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
I do have to add that if we make the Umbral Shard into a Domain weapon (a good long term move), it's probably a safe short term move to sell the Mirror and use it to heavily gear up for the tournament. Fiefs and such are far in the future, a future that will be very hampered if we don't make the Inner Sect. We can help our chances of making Inner a lot by having proper gear for the Tourney.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm going to come out and say I really heavily disagree with this sentiment. Before we knew the value of the mirror it was looking like we had a pretty solid shot at Inner Sect because we are somewhere around the top 4 or top 5 position of our year.
Think about it like this. You must:
- Survey the land for a good place to build the manor
- Purchase the manor materials
- Hire the builders
- Purchase food to feed them
- Purchase the requisite security to defend the builders from the frontier
- Hire cultivators to clear the area of the most dangerous beast nests
- Hire servants to staff the manor
- Hire and/or pay staff to handle bureaucracy
- Pay whatever fees are required for legal purposes
- Pay to set up messenger routes and trade with neighboring noble families
- Set up industries through which you can make products to sell for more money
- The ever dreaded transport and health infrastructure in whatever towns and villages you preside over
- Whatever law enforcement upgrades you need to push through to pull it up to standard
- Myriad fees associated with enticing tradesmen guilds(I think those exist), in order to bring in effective and professional workforce or to train it homegrown
- Biyu's education(present and future) and Mother's training in whatever field or hobby she wants
And that fief is only 14 months away now, and the Inner Sect's Time Line will be shorter than here. I recall discussions of two weeks to a month every turn.
So yeah. I'm concerned about selling it and spending it on anything other than the fief.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I seem to recall that when he was first introduced that there was speculation in that direction. Lemee find the qoute:
Not a lot to go off of.
The Weilu seem like some kind of horned antlered people. Not sure.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Qi drain makes sense I was responding to someone talking about how we should make our flying sword help us resist dispels.
Black Noise
Curious
- Location
- About 1AU from Sol
So many people doubted voting for Suyin. Look at how happy she is showing off, and how we now know Formation-minions are totally valid as a research venue. Also note how Bao is a likely ally next year due to Cai.
@yrsillar few questions that might impact this vote and our planning:
1) selling the mirror:
2) How are you planning to handle unexpected/major actions like Renshu or unlucky cultivation rolls in a multi-week plan that might hinge on some rather tight scheduling? Specifically:
And somewhat unrelated to planning, why didn't Ling Qi mention the mystic vale in that scene with Meizhen, what is she waiting for?
@yrsillar few questions that might impact this vote and our planning:
1) selling the mirror:
1a) could we sell the mirror in a relevant timeframe to benefit from resources to upgrade our gear+Zhengui to green spec (3 talismans + 1/2 weapons for us, 2 for Zhengui, a few gss per talisman + our high quality cores)?
1b) with still enough left over for a Fief early deposit?
1b) with still enough left over for a Fief early deposit?
2) How are you planning to handle unexpected/major actions like Renshu or unlucky cultivation rolls in a multi-week plan that might hinge on some rather tight scheduling? Specifically:
2a) Would we be able to fudge the dice with pills or gss if we get some unlucky rolls?
2b) Decide what we're sacrificing first or have an option for emergency closed-doors or something?
2b) Decide what we're sacrificing first or have an option for emergency closed-doors or something?
And somewhat unrelated to planning, why didn't Ling Qi mention the mystic vale in that scene with Meizhen, what is she waiting for?
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
That doesn't actually say we would benefit significantly from a very powerful domain weapon, just that our neophyte one isn't combat capable at all, which I think we all agree with. We don't particularly need, as far as I can tell, a domain weapon that's top end for 3rd grade when we don't yet know how we will use it, don't have domain weapon arts, and might not even get get domain o until next thread.
None of that is true for flute upgrade.
I'm pretty sure we can't even sell the mirror right now tbh, so that doesn't matter.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Yeah me, and I actually did mean Dispel Resistance any time I said Qi Drain. My bad.
Incidentally, based on how the Emerald Seas have constantly been in a state of decline cultivator-wise since the Horned Lord bailed (Hence the usurpation courtesy of Duchess Cai being on the table to begin with) this really implies to me that any surveys of the land Ling Qi is bestowed should have her directly present.
The prospect of additional Deer-People Ruins is stupidly enticing, especially given their apparent bent towards Wood elemental stuff and Zhengui.
Even if Ling Qi herself opts out of Wood stuff, that doesnt mean she cant appropriate it to prop up her own house.
Like Biyu, for example.
The prospect of additional Deer-People Ruins is stupidly enticing, especially given their apparent bent towards Wood elemental stuff and Zhengui.
Even if Ling Qi herself opts out of Wood stuff, that doesnt mean she cant appropriate it to prop up her own house.
Like Biyu, for example.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That's kind of the point. Anything is better than the neophyte's blade we have, I think we can all agree. And if we have the option to have a very powerful domain weapon, even if we can't fully use it's potential, "why not take it?", was directly implied. It will be something we can grow into and use however we wish and even if we don't specify anything Yrsillar is not going to let us down on it. I also had some rough math in there of what I expected to get out of it at minimum(+6 dice compared to neophyte's and some other more important stuff).
And to note your point about not getting the first domain o, if we don't, then the Neophyte's Blade will be swinging 11 dice. It will be only a hindrance for maybe a round. In a similar situation bonus dice from elements and passives on an actual D-Weapon, plus whatever special abilities it has doesn't improve that amazingly, but it does mean we won't get shanked by someone on Turn 2 while we are getting TRF up and it might actually be relevant as a supporting piece(not literally a support thing, but as another attacker) for Zhengui.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
It doesn't need too, our weapon is imo sufficient since it doesn't need to win, all it has to do is no-sell our enemy's weapon for a few turns, giving us time to de/buff everything. By which point we win.
we still have the 8 years military service to do.
Last edited:
There is a way for the flying sword to improve FVM without getting caught in Stupid Cultivator Tricks. Give the sword improved initiative will give us the multi attacker bonus, boosting FVM by 3 dice for free. I've checked it out with yrsillar and these abilities are approved:
[X][Talisman] Sable Smile
-[X] Object Type: Scythe (High DV, some AP)
-[X] Use Umbral Shard
-[X] Dexterity+Expression, Darkness
--[X] Improved initiative
--[X] Bonus dice based on the initiative difference between the sword and the target
--[X] Bonus damage based on the initiative value of the sword(not capped by DV)
--[X] Increased Qi Drain
Edit: Edited after clarification from yrsillar.
Meizhen told us we needed offense, and when someone as defense focused as her says you need offense, you need offense. The high DV lets it exploit our debuffs and it keeps getting stronger as our debuffs get better. The uncapped bonus damage is because we're going to be keeping this until at least Cyan, and probably longer. It will keep getting stronger the whole time, so it will scale with our level.
I have confirmed that giving it better initiative than us does NOT mean we lose the first strike bonus.
None of us are sure exactly what the Umbral Shard will do, but I think if we were supposed to be able to take advantage of it mechanically with our flying sword design we would have gotten mechanical details rather than just "well, it's an early fourth grade material". If yrsillar tells us we can, I have tons of ideas, starting with bonuses based on the opponent's Qui loss in the previous turn or on storing drained Qui to discharge explosively later.
[X][Talisman] Sable Smile
-[X] Object Type: Scythe (High DV, some AP)
-[X] Use Umbral Shard
-[X] Dexterity+Expression, Darkness
--[X] Improved initiative
--[X] Bonus dice based on the initiative difference between the sword and the target
--[X] Bonus damage based on the initiative value of the sword(not capped by DV)
--[X] Increased Qi Drain
Edit: Edited after clarification from yrsillar.
Meizhen told us we needed offense, and when someone as defense focused as her says you need offense, you need offense. The high DV lets it exploit our debuffs and it keeps getting stronger as our debuffs get better. The uncapped bonus damage is because we're going to be keeping this until at least Cyan, and probably longer. It will keep getting stronger the whole time, so it will scale with our level.
I have confirmed that giving it better initiative than us does NOT mean we lose the first strike bonus.
None of us are sure exactly what the Umbral Shard will do, but I think if we were supposed to be able to take advantage of it mechanically with our flying sword design we would have gotten mechanical details rather than just "well, it's an early fourth grade material". If yrsillar tells us we can, I have tons of ideas, starting with bonuses based on the opponent's Qui loss in the previous turn or on storing drained Qui to discharge explosively later.
Last edited: