To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
While there is a strong case against lend-lease, I am of the opinion that restoring the balance of power between Klingons and Romulans is in our best interest, regardless of potential gripes from the Klingons. Romulan revanchism is inevitable, and I don't doubt that the Klingons would go for round two if they feel like they've made large enough gains relative to the RSE after recovering from the war.
Closer ties with surrounding non-Breen neighbors (though who exactly would we be reaching out to?) is more valuable in my eyes, long term, than trying to play nice with the militant isolationists.
Recon and intel are both valuable and likely one of the best offensively oriented things we have to offer that will only affect the scope of this conflict. I doubt it will ruffle too many feathers to do this. In my mind the greatest risks are the possibility of leaks to the Tal Shiar or the exposure of recon assets to hostile action. Ultimately it's worth it despite those risks though.
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While there is a strong case against lend-lease, I am of the opinion that restoring the balance of power between Klingons and Romulans is in our best interest, regardless of potential gripes from the Klingons. Romulan revanchism is inevitable, and I don't doubt that the Klingons would go for round two if they feel like they've made large enough gains relative to the RSE after recovering from the war.
Closer ties with surrounding non-Breen neighbors (though who exactly would we be reaching out to?) is more valuable in my eyes, long term, than trying to play nice with the militant isolationists.
Recon and intel are both valuable and likely one of the best offensively oriented things we have to offer that will only affect the scope of this conflict. I doubt it will ruffle too many feathers to do this. In my mind the greatest risks are the possibility of leaks to the Tal Shiar or the exposure of recon assets to hostile action. Ultimately it's worth it despite those risks though.
Let's just say they are VERY aware of that fleet's existence.
Enerael
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Then we send sophontiranian aid, or support purely civilian shipping. Easy. Or take the pressure of their military in other ways to make this unnecessary.
Considering how close we are to declaring war? What makes you say that?
True, but the point of this is to convince the Breen to back off, not to help in the war. Send our ships on a brief (compared to years of war) trip, and If the Breen continue the attack, justify their return as giving Romulans time to gather their fleets. This should making logistics not an issue. Also, the Kep Paddah would probably help with that if we ask.
Why? We have a valid casus belli in the attack on Courageous. This is not us interfering in defense of Romulans, but our retribution for our ship. I really dont see Klingons having problems with this.
Oh boy, where to begin...
How large is the Breen warfleet? With the sensor data from Courageous we should have an estimate.
[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
I would like the FDS opinion on this.
[ ][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
What powers, and why, would join in on fighting the Breen/protecting romulans? Even just Shays quess would be very helpful.
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
...they are isolationists. Why is this an option?
[ ][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
This does mean trying to convince them to stop the war right? Likely enhanced by sending ships and stuff?
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
What does this mean?
[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
Would Romulans allow us passage through their space? Let our ships operate alongside their?
[ ][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
We need the FDSs opinion on this.
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
What would this entail? sending solitary ships to spy in that area seems really dangerous. Again, could we operate out of Romulan territory?
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
Would this include a sate of emergency? A reminder of what Early Mobilization is would be nice too.
Edit: What do our subordinates have to say? What options to take and their +/-? They know more and are more qualified then us players.
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As far as straight retribution for the damage to our ship goes, the two destroyed Breen frigates probably make that the weakest part of our diplomatic hand.
Enerael
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What? That was very clearly self defense.
Those of you voting for Early Mobilization, have you thought of how that appears to everyone not involved in this mess? Since the start of the quest we haven't gone to Early Mobilization once (maybe the Biophage as it predates this mechanic). It can easily be seen as an attempt to begin war preparations under the guise of Breen provocation, and even if it isn't it would greatly increase the internal threat level the Federation is evaluated at to states like the Cardassian Union and Harmony of Horizon. Bluntly, it makes us look militant not just to the Breen but also to powers who can challenge that militancy.
I strongly urge all of you to reconsider. We do not want an arms race situation with other majors.
I strongly urge all of you to reconsider. We do not want an arms race situation with other majors.
I think the decision to intervene in the Breen RSE war has already been made by the council so its a question of what is the most effective way to do so with the minimum fallout. Due to the Breens isolationist nature I thnk the diplomatic optons are going to be very limited in effect. I would be surprised if the Breen payed any attention to a diplomatic overture of any sort.
This leaves the more material options such as suplying the RSE with sophantarian aid and logistics support, providing intelligence and recon data and maybe atacking assets outside RSE space by intercepting supply convoys.
This leaves the more material options such as suplying the RSE with sophantarian aid and logistics support, providing intelligence and recon data and maybe atacking assets outside RSE space by intercepting supply convoys.
The Sandman
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Yes. Hence why the fact the Breen attacked us in the first place is more useful to our diplomats than a simple comparison of lost lives and resources, which is what "remember the dead" rather than "they shot first" would amount to as a potential casus belli.
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Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but
Push for Federation Early Mobilisation and
Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
together make us seem dishonest and Empire Quest -like.
"We totally want a diplomatic solution here. Meaning, we've codenamed our warplan that."
Push for Federation Early Mobilisation and
Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
together make us seem dishonest and Empire Quest -like.
"We totally want a diplomatic solution here. Meaning, we've codenamed our warplan that."
Enerael
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I... think I understand? But... thats completely obvious isnt it?
I need sleep.
[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
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[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
Remember that these aren't binary votes but rather are weighted. The higher the vote, the more you do of that option. It's not a choice of all the Federation mobilizes or none of it does. I'm actually pretty comfortable with mobilization getting some votes, but not a lot, so that maybe two or three of the closest Federation members start mobilizing "just in case".
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You can create a bad interpretation for any combination of options. But that's what our diplomatic corps is good for - explaining stuff.
Or prepare a vote so that gets done really quickly if it becomes necessary. Likely some Hawks starting to prepare for worst case.
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Eh.
I don't know about you, but I don't read "the more votes, the more strongly that option is prioritized" as "the more votes, the more of this you are doing". More votes for mobilization doesn't mean more members will mobilize, it just means it'll be higher on the President's list of options.
Something to consider about Lend-Lease.
What happens if the Klingons do jump the Romulans and reignite the war while there are Romulan vessels in our repair docks and Federation cargo ships and freighters carrying supplies around Romulan space?
Awkward.
What happens if the Klingons do jump the Romulans and reignite the war while there are Romulan vessels in our repair docks and Federation cargo ships and freighters carrying supplies around Romulan space?
Awkward.
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