To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
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Or the Romulans collapse. Again. Since they haven't recovered from the first one. You can't just assert this stuff man, you've gotta make it plausible.
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I think the majority of the choices here neglect the Klingon response and the repercussions.
The Klingons definitely want a weakened Romulan Star Empire. Theses options would be a stabilizing factor long-term for the RSE in the exact way that the Klingons do not want.
If we want to go all in and gain a close ally with the RSE at the cost of alienating the Klingons for generations, these options will do it unless somehow mitigated. If we attempt to diplomatically convince the Klingons to not feel threatened or simply don't care about them, these will help the RSE the most.
A direct response has other issues too. According to the star map, we'd need to send a fleet and support elements near Arcadian, Bolian, and Romulan space. I'm sure those three will be thrilled at military assets being nearby. This will need some diplo-mancing to go with if chosen.
I'm not sure how any diplomatic response will be effective enough fast enough. The isolationism of the Breen along with their distance from large enough powers to matter means that allies we bring will be ineffective and they don't care about aggressive or conciliatory stances. Maybe we could convince the Horizon to help, but I bet the Horizon are more than likely to claim that they shouldn't interfere with other powers and let that flashpoint worry us instead of them.
If we keep this on the down low from both Breen and Klingons, I think it's the highest effectiveness / pissing-off Klingons ratio. There needs to be some more clarification on how exactly this plan goes. Are we sending a team to assassinate/destroy Breen assets or somehow using "Starfleet Sciencing" to make it difficult to attack? Somehow delay Breen operations until it's no longer viable against the RSE. I don't know, ignite the nebula so it's harder to cross? Disrupt Breen fleet coordination somehow? It would damage the soul of the Federation if the response is direct on their assets, but I could see triggering some sort of natural phenomenon be acceptable (and much more plausibly deniable).
Definitely this options, regardless of what path we take. The intel we gather will be helpful to us no matter the diplomatic or more material approach. Low impact with the Klingons, highly appreciated by the Romulans, and excellent for future planning for us. Our listening posts and observations ships have always done excellent work I feel.
The Klingons definitely want a weakened Romulan Star Empire. Theses options would be a stabilizing factor long-term for the RSE in the exact way that the Klingons do not want.
If we want to go all in and gain a close ally with the RSE at the cost of alienating the Klingons for generations, these options will do it unless somehow mitigated. If we attempt to diplomatically convince the Klingons to not feel threatened or simply don't care about them, these will help the RSE the most.
A direct response has other issues too. According to the star map, we'd need to send a fleet and support elements near Arcadian, Bolian, and Romulan space. I'm sure those three will be thrilled at military assets being nearby. This will need some diplo-mancing to go with if chosen.
I'm not sure how any diplomatic response will be effective enough fast enough. The isolationism of the Breen along with their distance from large enough powers to matter means that allies we bring will be ineffective and they don't care about aggressive or conciliatory stances. Maybe we could convince the Horizon to help, but I bet the Horizon are more than likely to claim that they shouldn't interfere with other powers and let that flashpoint worry us instead of them.
Oddly enough, I think this pisses off the Klingons less than our own anti-war factions. The Klingons have definitely figured that we have no aspirations on Romulan or Klingon territory, though they'll still be miffed until the assets start getting used and then they'll be really miffed.
If we keep this on the down low from both Breen and Klingons, I think it's the highest effectiveness / pissing-off Klingons ratio. There needs to be some more clarification on how exactly this plan goes. Are we sending a team to assassinate/destroy Breen assets or somehow using "Starfleet Sciencing" to make it difficult to attack? Somehow delay Breen operations until it's no longer viable against the RSE. I don't know, ignite the nebula so it's harder to cross? Disrupt Breen fleet coordination somehow? It would damage the soul of the Federation if the response is direct on their assets, but I could see triggering some sort of natural phenomenon be acceptable (and much more plausibly deniable).
Definitely this options, regardless of what path we take. The intel we gather will be helpful to us no matter the diplomatic or more material approach. Low impact with the Klingons, highly appreciated by the Romulans, and excellent for future planning for us. Our listening posts and observations ships have always done excellent work I feel.
Enerael
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Is there no one voting for sending ships? I am unwilling to do so because we lack so much info its not even funny (seriously its like we are shooting blind, not making any kind of informed decision), but it is a valid option that should be presented to the President.
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Do any of the options allow the Federation to cut the Breen supply routes into Romulan space. Blockading/Intercepting Breen supply convoys would express displeasure at the Breen attack on a Federation starship and depending on the degree of success might bring their invasion of the Romulan Star Empire to a grinding halt.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Thats the send ships option.
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
I don't think we can get the Breen to back down on the war. But perhaps the right contacts can get the Breen to back down after realizing the war will be a slog. Developing diplomatic contacts is something that benefits us in the longest term and may be key to preventing Breen aggression from being a continuing problem.
As for the rest, it's predicated on us not being able to get the Breen to immediately back down. If they didn't cancel the attack after losing the element of surprise I doubt they're going to cancel after a stern talking to or after threats. So we have to do what we can to turn the war into a slog that the Breen don't want to fight.
[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
I don't think we can get the Breen to back down on the war. But perhaps the right contacts can get the Breen to back down after realizing the war will be a slog. Developing diplomatic contacts is something that benefits us in the longest term and may be key to preventing Breen aggression from being a continuing problem.
As for the rest, it's predicated on us not being able to get the Breen to immediately back down. If they didn't cancel the attack after losing the element of surprise I doubt they're going to cancel after a stern talking to or after threats. So we have to do what we can to turn the war into a slog that the Breen don't want to fight.
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I mean, if you want the Breen to lash out at us instead....
Enerael
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Why wouldn't they? They cannot fight both us and Romulans. They probably think that the pacifistic, far away empire that is no friend to Romulans wouldnt declare war and send significant forces due to an attack on one ship, and that weakened RSE is probably in our interest.
Convince them otherwise and it should be clear to them that continuing the attack would be suicidal.
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we are helping but also not entering the war directly
we are somewhat thin on ship if i remember right and personally i rather say out of the fighting if we can
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we are helping but also not entering the war directly
we are somewhat thin on ship if i remember right and personally i rather say out of the fighting if we can
There is a good chance the second wave of Keplers will benefit from this as well. Keplers have a 2.25yr build time which is dropped to 2yrs by Arsenal of Liberty and 1.5yrs by the HIP in Sol. If Nash stays at the academy for just three years we will, going by the spreadsheet, have twenty three Keplers roll out under her leadership.
In fact assuming her bonus starts now (IE: Ships completed in 2323.Q1) and she stays for three years (IE: works up until 2325.Q4) we have:
23 Keplers
6 Ambassadors
2 Renaissances
2 Centaur-Bs
1 Excelsior-A
1 Comet
That is a lot of ships benefiting. Especially those Ambassadors since most/all are going to the EC Corps where they'll rack up XP fast.6 Ambassadors
2 Renaissances
2 Centaur-Bs
1 Excelsior-A
1 Comet
Seriously though that Kepler wave!
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Enerael
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[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
This is my vote, mean to maximize the chance of preventing this war alltogether.
I will, again, complain about the lack of info that we have been given. This is little more then rolling the die, not an informed decision.
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
This is my vote, mean to maximize the chance of preventing this war alltogether.
I will, again, complain about the lack of info that we have been given. This is little more then rolling the die, not an informed decision.
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We just don't understand enough of their xenopsych and government. It could be there are internal factors preventing them from immediately backing down-which would have been the prudent option after the incident with the Courageous.
I strongly agree with this. We have nine choices to pick from but the only completely clear and unambitious choices are:
[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
The others all have room for interpretation and that is assuming these mean exactly what they say and there aren't hidden secondary implications, like Early Mobilisation meaning we shift to a State of Emergency since that's the only time we've ever had a chance to influence/effect that.[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
It's really annoying to be once again choosing from a list of one line items with vague names. Would two or three sentences describing each choice really hurt that much? Especially for something that is explicitly supposed to be one of the most important decisions Shey will ever make?
One line items are acceptable for unimportant stuff not major potentially game shifting choices like this.
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I mean, even if the QM's wrote even one or two sentences describing each choice, we'd still pour over the options, overanalyse every word and still find a way to misinterpret them. Then we'd blame them for not making the descriptions clearer. 
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And I think that without our assistance patching up their war-ravaged logistics network, the Romulans are going to be left with the choice of supporting their civilian population or their military, because they don't have the resources for both with the strain defending against the Breen will place on the latter. Assuming they want to avoid conquest by the Breen, or at the very least a defeat that costs them more territory and likely brings down their new government, they have no real choice but to prioritize the military, resulting in civilian suffering on a vast scale. And even then, they might very well still lose the war.
If you'd prefer to avoid a sophontitarian catastrophe and the collapse or conquest of the increasingly friendly polity on our tailward border, with mass civilian death and a return of the situation to having to guard that border against secretive militaristic xenophobes, then I think we're better off helping the Romulans and paying any reasonable price the Klingons ask of us as compensation for assisting their enemy.
That isn't going to happen on our say-so. If we wanted convincing them to stop with a of threat of military force, because the Breen don't trust outsiders, we'd have to send a large squadron of ships. I do not think sending a large squadron of ships is politically viable, nor do we have the logistics to support an expeditionary force, nor would the Klingons accept such a move without far more significant repercussions than the other aid options.
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What are your areas of concern?
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[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
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[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
[ ][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
// The intention here is to wink with the olive branch, get the other powers in the region on board, and also threaten with 'or else'. And yes, if the diplomacy fails that means war because otherwise the Federation wouldn't be taken seriously in future. And it means Horizon&Breen might become a thing (once the Breen realize they cannot win alone, they might look for allies. DS9 ...).
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
[ ][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
// The intention here is to wink with the olive branch, get the other powers in the region on board, and also threaten with 'or else'. And yes, if the diplomacy fails that means war because otherwise the Federation wouldn't be taken seriously in future. And it means Horizon&Breen might become a thing (once the Breen realize they cannot win alone, they might look for allies. DS9 ...).
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And then the Breen take over the HoH, reform it into the Breen Confederacy and force everyone in the Horizon to wear the same suits as them.
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Aren't these encounter suites supposedly because the Breen like really cold climate?
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Now, who else do we know that likes it cold? Andorians!
After the Greater Breen Confederacy is established, the Andorians will serve as the Confeds 5th column in the Federation!
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Now, who else do we know that likes it cold? Andorians!
After the Greater Breen Confederacy is established, the Andorians will serve as the Confeds 5th column in the Federation!