Vebyast
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Is this solely on the Romulan side, or would we be offering to take over the Klingon side of the border as well?
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On the alliance building thing, we actually have reasonable prospects locally. The Bolians want to be left alone, and the Breen have just demonstrated that they may suddenly stop doing that at any time if they think they have something to gain. Likewise, we could try and convince the Licori that the Breen are a possible future threat, and the Dreamers obviously have an interest in our response both to avoid reprisals and because of what happened to Courageous. The HoH likes swooping in on these things, but is probably smart enough not to harmonize a polity that will give them an instant, painful insurgency, so I think the biggest risk is them setting themselves up as mediators in the end and pushing "both sides" arguements harder than Trump talking about neo-Nazis. Looking at our affiliates as well, the Ked Paddah have a history of shutting down dangerous neighbors, and in combination with the industrial support and lend/lease option this might just get us some Yrillian privateers.
The Sandman
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Destroyed by the Breen is probably a different story.
Also, I would hope that alliance-building would include talking to the Klingons. We already have a defensive pact with them, after all.
Night
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I'm reasonably sure the Klingons are capable of understanding both the Federation's tendency not to go "Assemble the fleet, I need to bitchslap someone" (they've been dealing with it for a long time) and the logic of "You wrecked one of our ships, we are going to do things you aren't going to like now".
There are options that still edge a lot closer to this, of course, but saying literally any option leads to war with the Klingons is absurd.
The Devil You Know, if the Breen can beat the Romulans then other minor powers in the region are in deep doo-doo without either forming their own confederation or joining the Harmony or the Federation, it is in the interest of all parties to curb any aggressive tendencies in their neighbors so that don't spend large chunks of their economy on blowing up their economy, the fact that replacing a weakened Romulan Star Empire which can't afford a war with an aggressive powerful Breen Confederacy is not a good trade.
I mean, does it matter? The Klingons aren't the ones worried about the Romulans invading right now.
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The probably won't jump in directly but aid the Romulans indirectly, by sending supplies and such. And depending on the Breen's reputation among them.... There's a good chance they'd prefer the Romulans.
I mean, I get why everyone wants this but.... They're the Breen. I'm not sure "discourage such behavior" is even possible with them. They'd probably just try harder to kill all the witnesses next time.
I think it needs pointing out that Early Mobilization is a big deal. Even during the Arcadian Crisis 75% of the Federation was still on either Peacetime or Pacifist levels of mobilization. The only Members who mobilized were UESPA (because they the front line) and Tellar (because their political party pushes for the war) and they both went to Early Mobilization.
Declaring a Federation wide shift to Early Mobilization is a vastly more serious response then we had to the Grey Ghost Incident, the Arcadian Crisis, or the Gabriel Campaign. Think about how many ships we sent to deal with the problem, how vast our responses were, and how many lives lost in those events. Now ask if you are planning for something even larger; because that is what Federation Early Mobilization means.
Declaring a Federation wide shift to Early Mobilization is a vastly more serious response then we had to the Grey Ghost Incident, the Arcadian Crisis, or the Gabriel Campaign. Think about how many ships we sent to deal with the problem, how vast our responses were, and how many lives lost in those events. Now ask if you are planning for something even larger; because that is what Federation Early Mobilization means.
Forgothrax
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It's worth a shot. And if they do decide to blow up the witnesses, then we have even more Casus Belli against the Breen. Maybe enough to break the Pacifist vote.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
When this war ends, even if the Breen win, they will greatly weakened. The likely outcome of this isnt a powerful Breen empire, its other powers letting them fight it out and then ganging up on the Breen at least.
Okay, here are my votes:
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
This contributes to the war and prevents the Romulans from feeling like they're all alone in the fight, but is (in my opinion) the war support option least likely to provoke the Klingons.
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
EDIT: Updated with new information,
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
This contributes to the war and prevents the Romulans from feeling like they're all alone in the fight, but is (in my opinion) the war support option least likely to provoke the Klingons.
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
EDIT: Updated with new information,
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Once you pick a general approach you will be given options for dealing with the Klingons.
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Assumes facts not in evidence. The Breen aren't idiots, and could gain a lot of territory in the opening (the majority of the Romulan fleet isn't going to be facing the Breen border) and then trade it for time to pick off Romulan ships as they come up.
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I also think it's far more likely to get the Breen to lash out at us, because they're paranoid, aggressive SOBs.
Ah, that wasn't an argument against Conciliatory Diplomacy, I support that. I was talking about how that option not discouraging the Breen from future attempts might be a moot point since we're unlikely to discourage them from such behavior no matter what we do.
KnightDisciple
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[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
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Man, these omakes are getting meta.
Fallenblades643
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All 9 of the first wave of Keplars are going to be under that first year xp boost.
Hell, more importantly, The first wave of Ambasadors will be launching with it.
I think Nash is gonna spend a few years learning the wisdom of a teacher.
Hell, more importantly, The first wave of Ambasadors will be launching with it.
I think Nash is gonna spend a few years learning the wisdom of a teacher.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
There is also the fact that if we act decisively enough right now, we could get the Breen to back off. They can not fight both the Romulans and us, and they know it.
[][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
This combo probably offers the best chance of preventing this war if we dont want to send our ships into combat.
[][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
This is useless unless we commit a large fleet or the Romulans allow us to operate in their space, and we have no idea if they would.
[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
Useless for preventing the war.
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
Isolationists, no hints of them being supported.
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
They shouldnt have any bases between their territory and Romulans, so what wouldc we sabotage? Their home territory? Useless. Also, we likely have no assets in Breen space to do much with this.
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
Wont prevent the war, unknown benefits.
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
No.
[][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
This combo probably offers the best chance of preventing this war if we dont want to send our ships into combat.
[][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
This is useless unless we commit a large fleet or the Romulans allow us to operate in their space, and we have no idea if they would.
[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
Useless for preventing the war.
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
Isolationists, no hints of them being supported.
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
They shouldnt have any bases between their territory and Romulans, so what wouldc we sabotage? Their home territory? Useless. Also, we likely have no assets in Breen space to do much with this.
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
Wont prevent the war, unknown benefits.
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
No.
Even with that tactic they are not getting out of this war without major losses.
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Here is why I declined to vote for lend-lease.
It would mean helping the Romulans rebuild their war fleet faster. That's what it comes down to. It would be a slap in the face to the Klingons, who are far closer allies of ours than the Romulans. It would put Federation neutrality in serious doubt, as the Romulans might someday fight the Klingons with ships built or repaired with Federation duranium, in Federation berths.
i want to do something to aid the Romulans against the Breen. I believe the Klingons can understand joint operations against a mutual foe. But I am not willing to help them rebuild a warfleet destroyed in a war of their choosing. Lend-lease might me the most effective option to ensure the Romulans can beat the Breen. I'm sure it is. Nonetheless, I refuse to advocate for that step. I'm willing to take the chance they can't defeat the Breen in order to avoid this step,
...but if you all want to overrule me then that's fine too. When we end up in a chilly, tension-filled relationship with the Klingons, I can hug my Romulan OCs all the tighter.
It would mean helping the Romulans rebuild their war fleet faster. That's what it comes down to. It would be a slap in the face to the Klingons, who are far closer allies of ours than the Romulans. It would put Federation neutrality in serious doubt, as the Romulans might someday fight the Klingons with ships built or repaired with Federation duranium, in Federation berths.
i want to do something to aid the Romulans against the Breen. I believe the Klingons can understand joint operations against a mutual foe. But I am not willing to help them rebuild a warfleet destroyed in a war of their choosing. Lend-lease might me the most effective option to ensure the Romulans can beat the Breen. I'm sure it is. Nonetheless, I refuse to advocate for that step. I'm willing to take the chance they can't defeat the Breen in order to avoid this step,
...but if you all want to overrule me then that's fine too. When we end up in a chilly, tension-filled relationship with the Klingons, I can hug my Romulan OCs all the tighter.