[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen

Prepare for the worst, but try to defuse tensions.

This is a three pronged approach. We visibly prepare to come to their defence, we give them the ability to regear, and we try to slow down the Breen enough that they can't act before an attack would cost too much.
 
[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen

I'd like to see if we can get enough in with the Breen to make them back off once their assault is halted.

Also...

Nash ka'Sharren: +10% EC O/E/T recruitment, all new ships gain experience faster in their first year of operations

Sweet mother of holy fuck, that's a broken bonus.
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
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[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
 
[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support

Lend-lease or KR border assist must be paired with alliance building to get the Klingons ok with such support.
 
[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[ ][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
[ ][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation.

I'm inclined to support this mix. They want to sneak around unnoticed, the Federation shows up in numbers, entire neighborhood in tow, and politely expresses their disapproval.
 
Lend-lease or KR border assist must be paired with alliance building to get the Klingons ok with such support.

Hm, my interpretation was that alliance-building would involve more the Breen's actual neighbors, whereas diplomatic isolation would be preventing them from looking for allies who also hate the Romulans like the Klingons.
 
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen

In rough order of desirability.
 
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[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response

Should help Romulan relations.

[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response

Let's see who's interested.

[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response

Here's to hoping the FDS can sell this as calming lingering tensions and discouraging piracy.
 
[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response

Yeah okay, this makes sense.

[ ][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response

I suppose getting some of the neutral powers between us, like the Licori and Bolians to support us and the Romulans isn't such a bad idea.

[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen

I mean, the Breen are isolationist so who would we isolate them from? The HoH perhaps but.... I think Alliance-Building is a better use for our diplomatic assets.

[ ][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen

Probably won't work, still think we should try.

[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response

Eh, are we doing subterfuge or working against it?

[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets

What? No, this is a bad idea!

[ ][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response

No, already mentioned.

[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support

Eh, it's the recon part I have a problem with. I'd rather not more of our ships get involved in this.

[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation

No, let's not.

[][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
 
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[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
 
I feel like we might want to do outreach to the Klingons at the same time. if they feel we're going to hard with their enemies they may get nervous.
 
[ ][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen

Probably won't work, still think we should try.

I suspect they'd go for it, so long as we don't make "withdraw from Romulan space" a red line. Like, they have to know they just pissed off the local superpower at the onset of offensive operations, securing our neutrality is something they desperately need.
 
I feel like we might want to do outreach to the Klingons at the same time. if they feel we're going to hard with their enemies they may get nervous.
While Alliance-Building probably won't bring in Klingon help, I think it might be the option with the best chance of us actually talking to the Klingons for either help or neutrality. Aggressive Diplomacy in the case of the Breen contacting Klingon Hawks is.... I mean, assuming that even happens, it would probably prevent them from forming an alliance. But I also have the feeling it would piss off the Klingons because we're interfering in their contact with others.
 
I am very concerned that we have so little info to work from. A few pros, cons, concerns for each option seem like the bare minimum we should have.

[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
Likely pisses off the Klingons, unless we make this expensive and offer it to them also or something.
[ ][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
... what other participants? Bolians are isolationists we have little contact with and I am not willing to drag the Dreamers into this, if even possible. Harmony maybe? Giving them an opportunity to "keep peace" is really damn dangerous, and what stake to they have in this otherwise?
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
From whom? Breen are isolationists.
[ ][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
What does this mean? Telling them to stop? Not sure how effective, but if there is a chance I say we take it.
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
How?
[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
Unless the Romulans allow us to fight alongside them, or at least passage through their space, I dont think that this is very viable. Combat operations this far away from our space against a full warfleet could easily cost us the TF.
[ ][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
I want an analysis from the FDS on this before pushing for it. If its viable, do it.
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
Really not sure how helpful that would be. Or safe. If viable and useful, do it.
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
The war option. Last resort.
 
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[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen

I'd like to see if we can get enough in with the Breen to make them back off once their assault is halted.

Also...



Sweet mother of holy fuck, that's a broken bonus.

Nash has always been a pretty OP character. If if we ever got her to Admiral the bonus would probably be ridiculous.
 
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I'm not sure how conciliatory a response is possible without venturing into Season 1 TNG badness, honestly. The Breen killed several hundred Starfleet crew and almost destroyed one of our explorers. This is not behavior anyone in the Federation government is likely to condone. It's not behavior they can really afford to let off lightly either. A request for reparations or the like is about as conciliatory as it can get.
 
We are offered no options or insights for addressing the Klingon response. So whatever you vote for, you should probably assume that it'll end with a war with the Klingon Empire.
 
[ ][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
... what other participants? Bolians are isolationists we have little contact with and I am not willing to drag the Dreamers into this, if even possible. Harmony maybe? Giving them an opportunity to "keep peace" is really damn dangerous, and what stake to they have in this otherwise!
Licori are relatively close. Ked Paddah even closer, though I'm not sure if they'd fall under this as well since they're already allies.... The Ked Paddah's main theme is "prudence" though, so they probably wouldn't make any moves without us pushing for it and supporting them.
 
[X][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support

Let's focus on the things we're best at, while giving the Breen the opportunity to look for a way out of their own volition. Under the circumstances, they need to be the ones to come to us for negotiations, preferably hat in hand.
 
Briefvoice Analyzes the Options

(sucks in breath, taps fingers together)

Rather than jump to voting, I'd like to analyze each of these options individually and then what I think it means. Let me know if you agree/disagree.

[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
This will do a lot to aid the Romulans in winning the coming war, while reducing actual Federation exposure.

Benefits: Romulans more likely to win/win faster; increased Romulan relationship.
Drawbacks: Some Klingon disfavor/displeasure; some chance of Breen retaliation to discourage Federation interference.


[ ][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
Involves attempting to sound out and bring on boar our allies/affiliates/known species in that area of space; especially the Ked Peddah whose support would be critical for any action.

Benefits: Stronger coalition for any response, reduce chances of Federation being accused of acting unilaterally or getting into secondary conflict due to territorial violation. Also, if you want to talk to the Dreamers, this might bring them in.
Drawbacks: Diplomacy is slow and will do nothing to affect the course of the war until our allies are ready to act. Given that the Breen are likely counting on a rapid victory, we could lose out chance to meaningfully intervene. Harmony of Horizon likely to stick their snouts in.


[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
Attempt to punish the Breen through harsh diplomatic pressure on neighboring polities; "You're with us or with them."

Benefits: Even harsh diplomacy plays to Federations strength's, can be profitably paired with other aggressive actions. Much faster.
Drawbacks: Risks creating blowback from local polities resentful we are dictating terms to them. Breen are aggressive isolationists... how vulnerable are they even going to be to diplomatic pressure? Harmony of Horizon likely to stick their snouts in.


[ ][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
Try to make nice and get the Breen side of the story.

Benefits: Plays to Federation's strengths; could yield meaningful information about the causes of the war if hidden justifications exist. Most consistent with Pacifist ideals.
Drawbacks: Breen attempted to murder the Courageous to eliminate witnesses; this does nothing to discourage more such behavior. Does not pair well with any of the more aggressive actions. Breen are unlikely to be "talked out" of invasion, though one never knows.


[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
Send some special teams to go in and fuck Breen shit up.

Benefits: Could help turn tide of war with relatively small Federation exposure. We've had success with such efforts in the past, such as in the final Gabriel conflict.
Drawbacks: If it fails, could be disastrous and invite heavy Breen retaliation, as well as making the Federation look bad to neighbors.


[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
Don't call it "war". Limited military action in tit-for-tat response. They put one of ours in the repair dock, we put one of theirs in the warp core breach. It's the Chicago Federation way.

Benefits: Decisive action guaranteed to raw Breen attention and make it clear how unhappy the Federation is. In an ideal world, could force them to back down in the face of Federation might and call off war.
Drawbacks: Military action is always risky. We could lose! Instead of backing down, Breen could double down and we'd had a real war on our backs, as co-belligerants to the Romulans and severely damaging Federation reputation in some circles.


[ ][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
Try to ensure that Romulan-Klingon war does not reignite.

Benefits: Preventing a resumption of war could save many lives and prevent untold horrors. Makes it easier for Romulans to beat back the Breen.
Drawbacks: Klingons will be pissed beyond belief and will regard the Federation as unacceptably compromised as a neutral party. In worst case, they tear up current treaty.


[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
Aid in the war with limited public exposure with our sensors and information-gathering capability.

Benefits: Potentially big impact with very little Federation public exposure or heavy involvement. Romulans mollified that we are doing something to help, discouraging xenophobic attitudes. May be least objectionable "help out in war" options as regards the Klingons.
Drawbacks: A failed missions could be a spectacular and public relations disaster. War impact may be limited.


[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
Prepare for war.

Benefits: If it comes to war, we are ready. Sight of Federation mobilizing may have salutory effect of making Breen take threat of Federation intervention seriously, allowing them to be forced down diplomatically.
Drawbacks: Puts us one step closer to war in a very public manner.
 
Licori are relatively close. Ked Paddah even closer, though I'm not sure if they'd fall under this as well since they're already allies.... The Ked Paddah's main theme is "prudence" though, so they probably wouldn't make any moves without us pushing for it and supporting them.
But why would any one of them join this war? What stake could they possibly have in it, unless we offer them one?

Romulan neighbors would probably be glad to see them destroyed.
 
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