- Location
- Memphis, TN
Mathilde: "Me playing with this puppy is of the upmost importance it could mean the difference between life and death!"
*rubs puppy's belly*
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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*rubs puppy's belly*
"If we are fighting the rat men, and you see someone start screaming about 'the Thirteenth', get your dispelling hats on. Cause we're going to need to shut that down HARD."
Honestly? I figure they're either a pure heal-bot type that wants to learn how to heal even more, or they're trying to learn Dwellers Below.
I'm kind of hoping for the second, since that would be devastating against both Skaven and Goblins. Orcs not so much but that's fine. We have other options for orcs.
MacroDaemon
Lachrymose Lapis
The terrifying part is that while it is extremely important that we talk to the wizards, it's probably going to involve a diplomacy roll. We're not all that good at diplomacy.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
- Location
- USoA
[X] The Amber Wizard journeymanlings.
[X] The Gold Wizard journeymanlings.
[X] The Jade Wizard journeymanling.
Odds that they're all older than Mathilde?
[X] The Gold Wizard journeymanlings.
[X] The Jade Wizard journeymanling.
Odds that they're all older than Mathilde?
- Location
- Germany
Either it was just clutter we didn't need to see, or one of those is a critfail the GM is hiding from us.
- Location
- Norway
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm under the impression that Journeymen are usually equipped with Petty, Lesser and Relatively Simple spells, and may be reading ahead to one or two of the Moderately Difficult spells. Then comes the Fiendishly Complex, and after that comes the Battle Magic, and Dwellers Below is Battle Magic.
So a Jade Journeyman would have no chance at Dwellers Below.
Nix's Warden
Welcome to Hades
- Location
- United States
Fuck yes. Now our biggest worry is making sure Dispels count.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
What is it with random mole-men spells, anyway? That makes three spells from three different winds that have random ground people go and nab folks away for mysterious purposes, if we're counting the Shades in the Pit of Shades.
A grim silence is cast over the group of Journeymages as they contemplate the figure approaching them. This is Dame Weber, the Knight Mage, the Death Shadow, the Shadowsteed Spy. Recently appointed to Magister, various rumors have been floating around her, each wilder than the last. Some even say she took over an entire province's army and attacked a vampire stronghold with it!
Watching her approach, they began to put more stock in those stories. Her face seemed cast in darkness from a distinctive Witch Hunter style hat, and shadows gathered at the edges of her cloak. Candles and fires danced away from her, their light seeming reluctant to touch the Dame of Darkness. Her steps were heavy and her equipment clinked together, guns, a giant sword, and ammunition pouches all bouncing against each other as she strode into their group. She looked them over, seeming to judge each of their group with a grim glance-
And then a large wolf puppy popped out of her backpack, tongue lolling as it sprang forward to meet these new and interesting magical strangers!
I'm figuring that that is what they might be trying to work towards.
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Nix's Warden
Welcome to Hades
- Location
- United States
You forgot the Witch Hunter Hat.A grim silence is cast over the group of Journeymages as they contemplate the figure approaching them. This is Dame Weber, the Knight Mage, the Death Shadow, the Shadowsteed Spy. Recently appointed to Magister, various rumors have been floating around her, each wilder than the last. Some even say she took over an entire province's army and attacked a vampire stronghold with it!
Watching her approach, they began to put more stock in those stories. Her face seemed cast in darkness, and shadows gathered at the edges of her cloak. Candles and fires danced away from her, their light seeming reluctant to touch the Dame of Darkness. Her steps were heavy and her equipment clinked together, guns, a giant sword, and staff all bouncing against each other as she strode into their group. She looked them over, seeming to judge each of their group with a grim glance-
And then a large wolf puppy popped out of her backpack, tongue lolling as it sprang forward to meet these new and interesting magical strangers!
I'm figuring that that is what they might be trying to work towards.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
A grim silence is cast over the group of Journeymages as they contemplate the figure approaching them. This is Dame Weber, the Knight Mage, the Death Shadow, the Shadowsteed Spy. Recently appointed to Magister, various rumors have been floating around her, each wilder than the last. Some even say she took over an entire province's army and attacked a vampire stronghold with it!
Watching her approach, they began to put more stock in those stories. Her face seemed cast in darkness, and shadows gathered at the edges of her cloak. Candles and fires danced away from her, their light seeming reluctant to touch the Dame of Darkness. Her steps were heavy and her equipment clinked together, guns, a giant sword, and staff all bouncing against each other as she strode into their group. She looked them over, seeming to judge each of their group with a grim glance-
And then a large wolf puppy popped out of her backpack, tongue lolling as it sprang forward to meet these new and interesting magical strangers!
I'm figuring that that is what they might be trying to work towards.
Actually we don't use a staff.
That's the face cast in shadow part.
I thought we got one at the College?
Specifically got Patriarch of the order vocally regret that they do not have staff-crafting specialist avalible.
Which is a pity, because lol magic 8 before thirty years old.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
It's not listen on our character sheet.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
That depends on what you mean. Some of them might be working towards learning such a spell at some point? Very possible. Most journeymen wouldn't journey to something like recapturing a dwarfhold unless they were ambitious. That they might get around to learning it during the campaign? That'd take a miracle. Even we've only just reached the level of battle magic.
This is the dwarf equivalent of the look on Abelhelm's face here isn't it:
So lets see, in terms of force breakdown:
-Force Ironhammer
--Dwarf King
--Dwarf Champion Hero
--200 dwarf elites
--800 dwarf elites in magic gear
--2000 berserkers
--1000 heavy infantry
--1000 crossbows
--10 Ballistas
This unit is a chisel. Small but wherever it hits, its going to punch through. Period.
Also unlikely to be committed except in crucial battles, as Abelhelm has shown us. Play the King card as a last resort, even if it means tying up your best units.
-Force Ranger
--Dwarf Ranger Hero
--3000 heavy infantry
--3000 crossbows
--5000 scouts/crossbows
This unit is quite clearly intended to be an archery battery in main battle, but otherwise irregular.
8,000 dwarf sharpshooters behind a shieldwall of 3000 heavy infantry. With 5000 rangers it can also configure for ambush tactics, given the right terrain, since the rangers can deploy to very unusual places and probably can lead their number of non-stealthy units with some degree of discretion
-Force Grimbrow
--Dwarf champion
--2000 dwarf elites
--20000 heavy infantry
--8000 heavy infantry combat engineers
--2000 dwarf gunners
--10000 support staff
--10 cannon
This would be the main line of battle,
Quick build fortifications, hold off anything that comes, then advance and repeat once the cannons and gunners mount the walls and sweep the field clear.
-Force Artillery
--30 Ballista equivalents
--100 Direct fire Mortar equivalents
--20 Catapult equivalents
--20 Cannon equivalents
The artillery battery. For the larger battles, its pretty much going to be all about getting them into position, because with this many bolt throwers they can crack just about anything made of meat.
-Force Wizards
--1 Shadow Magister Knight
--2 Amber Journeymanlings
--2 Gold Journeymanlings
--1 Jade Journeymanling
We have a somewhat more...irregular force here.
Mathilde has a broad range of stealth options, and can serve as an armybreaker between her Torc and Dread Aspect, though this has a high chance of her being prioritized for sniping afterwards.
She's also okay at AoE when you need to fry a lot of low hp targets at once. Great for shock.
Now that her Magic is at 7 I believe her Aetheric Armor spell is now worth as much protection as heavy armor as well, so she could really act like a knight unit in a pinch.
The Amber Journeymanlings should be able to:
-Heal/tame animals.
-Become a bird
-Wolverine claws
Main use that I can see would be discreet scouting, though they might be able to shut down warbeasts(like those spiders goblins like so much, and the squigs orcs use, or whatever crime against nature the Skaven might use).
The Gold Journeymanlings should be able to:
-Sabotage equipment.
-Grant out-of-combat roll bonus
-Turn anything into steel for a moment
-Revolving parry-balls
Main use for two Gold Journeymanlings that I can see would be to boost the planning rolls for the war council, ambush placement, scouting rolls and other setup stuff.
You COULD do some crazy things with a sufficiently long string however.
The Life Journeymanling should be able to:
-Turn water to beer.
-Remove the need to eat for a week on a target.
-Wilderness tracking(not sure if this works in tunnels)
-Buff target's climbing skills
A good opportunity for them is probably logistics, we have five hundred demigryphs eating a shitload of meat...but casting even a simple spell 500 times is asking for a botch. The dwarfs probably have more than enough beer(and magic beer may or may not be heresy).
So basically they are scout boosters.
Noting that Journeymen coming here may know a spell above the Relatively Simple stuff, if they're into war.
Put all this together and the primary role of the wizards in the pre-battle portion is recon. All six wizards present has significant scouting related options, provided they have the mundane skills for it.
In battle, if theres no enemy spellcasters, then it'd be sabotage/forward recon. If there are any enemy spellcasters, then the single best use bar none is to dispel.
-Force Demigryphs
--Monstrous cavalry champion
--500 monstrous cavalry
--1000 heavy infantry
Pure shock. Whatever this hits is going to fold. Not many things stand up to 500 demigryphs.
-Force Wuff
--Monstrous cavalry champion
--250 monstrous cavalry
--2000 heavy infantry elites
--18000 medium infantry
Secondary line of battle. Probably securing the flanks while the dwarfs hold the center.
-Force Miscelleneous
--10000 randoms
--5000 crossbows
--5000 archer/scouts
Looks like we have an irregular screen of randoms backed by 50% ranged attackers. This force is probably used to push on any exposed targets after the knights hammer the enemy lines open. More mobile than the dwarfs, but their defense is weak and should not be tested.
-Force Halflings
--5000 Halfling archer/scouts
--5000 support
Pure recon/supporting archery element. Great ambushers, should be fielded with the rangers.
This army is going to be using VERY irregular tactics for a dwarf expedition. 5000 each of Human, Halfling and Dwarf scout units.
Theres enough scouting elements on the field to run ambushes non-stop if only they can get in position!
- Location
- Memphis, TN
You know we should really attend pie week with the halflings at some point with how much they have assisted us.
I wonder why they are being so military active lately?
I wonder why they are being so military active lately?
- Location
- Norway
No, they shouldn't. They might be able to. Mathilde started Journeying with two Relatively Simple spells, and didn't fill out that section of her spell list until after becoming a Magister.
I feel this should be some kind of general notice to the thread: stop hoping/expecting/planning around All The Shinies, like figuring Journeymen "should" know lots of stuff or speculating about how the Journeymen might deal with the Skaven by picking up Battle Magic.
They probably don't know what to do with war heroes besides send them off to another war. Like they're not entirely unused to fighting defensive, but participating in a historical campaign is another matter entirely.
While you're correct Mathilde didn't start with those spells without knowing how long they've journeyed it is hard to tell. Like the reason she didn't pick a lot of those spell until Magister is she spent her time being a spymaster, and learning more mundane methods of combat.
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All the more reason to talk to them and get a good grasp on what they're capable of.