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[X] Plan Less Cai

[X][talisman] Wait
Erebeal said:
I'm skeptical of that I have to admit. I think that - if we do get with Hanyi - it will likely be around the end of next year, and involve her hitting green, growing up into a bratty teenager, and it being time for her to leave home.

Then she can go away with us to get her own mountain in our fief or something like that.

[the future:
Ling Qi: no Hanyi, you can't eat people
Hanyi: what if they're cute boys though? Is it alright then?
Ling Qi: no, not even if they're cute
Hanyi: what if I really really like them though?
Ling Qi: *sigh*]
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Actually we might actually find her having predatory habits as useful in a border fief, since she's a reasonably strong spirit, it helps set a local spirit pecking order(whereas Zhengui is more likely to find a good place with munchies to cultivate on and boost crop yields/defend static positions)
 
Alright, since plan Sixiang plus Beef is clearly nowhere near winning, and I really want to watch that fight since it's a one-off opportunity to get eyes on opponent capabilities before tournament, have a look at this new plan!

[X] Everything I Ever Wanted
-[X] Overflow to spiritual, vent drip to AC, Grinning Moon successes to PLR
-[X] Buy/use stuff
--[X] Use two YSS, two virtual YSS
--[X] Heavy Rains Pill (15 RSS), 10 Dice Wood Pills (30 RSS), 5 Dice Water Pills (10 RSS), 5 Dice Darkness Pills (15 RSS)
--[X] Monthly green stone from sect (200 RSS)
--[X] Total: 270 RSS, 2 YSS
-[X] (MAJOR) Mother
--[X] (minor) Mother
-[X] (MAJOR) Go into the cavern, finish your quest
-[X] Train Music arts with Zeqing
--[X] (MAJOR) FSS
--[X] (minor) Sixiang shouldn't be a problem for the moment, but you are interested. She said she was a muse after all, maybe she can help you improve your music?
-[X] Cultivate in the White Room
--[X] (MAJOR) Open Lung Meridian
--[X] With Gu Xiulan
-[X] Train with Meizhen
--[X] (MAJOR) TRF
-[X] (minor) Continue training Zhengui in the Vale, and make sure to pay some attention to Zhen as well... maybe you can get Heizui to contribute?
-[X] (minor) After hearing of your encounter in the woods, Gan Guangli announced that he wanted to challenge the strange boy. You... might be interested in watching.
-[X] (minor) Meet Gu Tai, and give him the polite refusal. It just wasn't going to happen

This vote includes the Zhengui, tree dude, Gu Tai, and Sixiang minors for the low, low cost of introducing our music teachers to each other. We've had lessons with Zeqing alone for the past couple weeks at least, and she's a pretty reasonable spirit, so she should probably be fine with meeting Sixiang.

Also, because this vote is Everything I Ever Wanted, and we're not doing a minor with Cai this week anyway, I've swapped cultivating with Cai to training with Meizhen because I miss sparring with our best friend. If people would rather I swap back to cultivating with Cai though, I can do that.
 
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@yrsillar, seems you have been a bit too nice to us again:
FVM progress in charsheet said:
Sixth Measure 153/225
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I was a bit surprised because we only trained it once, so:
week 41 part 2 said:
Talent 6 + YSS 35 + Zeqing 15 + Dark Pool 6 + EPC 12 + Pills 10 + Heart 10 = 94 dice + 10 autos (Music 5, Imperial 5).
4 2 6 8 3 10 7 10 5 8 7 2 1 5 10 2 7 1 2 3 10 4 7 6 8 1 9 1 3 9 5 8 1 2 5 5 2 1 5 6 1 1 9 1 5 10 4 4 1 6 6 10 1 4 7 8 4 5 8 6 3 5 3 5 6 7 2 7 9 6 4 1 6 2 4 3 2 7 6 2 4 3 3 4 6 1 3 9 5 1 4 9 7 8. 55 successes

Rerolling 13
5 10 3 5 7 8 10 7 7 2 8 3 3. 6 successes. 10 auto. 71 total
71/225

1/4th to spiritual.
153/1200

Domain Advancement
7/200
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Seems there was a mix up between spiritual and FVM there.

@Erebeal, Yanmei/Liao Zhu are pretty much genius though. I expect the norm for getting to cyan, for those who get there, is 100-200yo.
 
Arkeus said:
Yanmei/Liao Zhu are pretty much genius though. I expect the norm for getting to cyan, for those who get there, is 100-200yo.
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I suspect if the norm was one or two centuries someone doing it in 8 years would be blowing peoples mind in the sect. I got the vibe that she was important but not almost unstoppable prodigy tier important, which that kind if time difference seems like to me.
 
Ayashi said:
You're missing stuff. we have five minors and 5 majors. You plans has:
Majors:
-mother
-zequig
-white room
-Meizhen
-???
Minors:
-mother (attached)
-sixiang(attached)
-zhengui vale
-GG challenge
- ???
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Oops, dunno how I missed that. Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out!
 
mc2rpg said:
I suspect if the norm was one or two centuries someone doing it in 8 years would be blowing peoples mind in the sect. I got the vibe that she was important but not almost unstoppable prodigy tier important, which that kind if time difference seems like to me.
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My impression is Yanmei is supposed to be "Viscount house's one in a thousand years prodigy". She is no Cai Shenhua, but she'd be considered possible heir material in ducal houses.
 
So, I'm seeing this in all the plans, but what is Vent Drip? The Five auto success from Argent Vent? Don't those only apply if we spend a major action cultivating there? Like, which action are you getting it from?

Training music is done by the Black Pool, Mother is 2, Cai is 3, and she will probably be picking the locale. 4 is the white room and Ling Qi's quest for MOAR MERIDIANS, and 5 is the quest. So unless you plan on bringing Cai to the Argent Vent and doing Thousand Ring Fortress there, as opposed to doing it in the Mystic Vale, then I don't know where you are getting that drip from?

Second, Is the Grinning Moon thing that whole you may add successes up to 30 from Larceny successes to arts? Is Grinning Moon shorthand for that?

EDIT: Also, stealing that Pill Furnace was one of the best things we ever did. That's a lot of cash.
 
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primemountain said:
So, I'm seeing this in all the plans, but what is Vent Drip? The Five auto success from Argent Vent? Don't those only apply if we spend a major action cultivating there? Like, which action are you getting it from?

Training music is done by the Black Pool, Mother is 2, Cai is 3, and she will probably be picking the locale. 4 is the white room and Ling Qi's quest for MOAR MERIDIANS, and 5 is the quest. So unless you plan on bringing Cai to the Argent Vent and doing Thousand Ring Fortress there, as opposed to doing it in the Mystic Vale, then I don't know where you are getting that drip from?
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Argent Vent: A small deposit of spirit stones surrounding a crevice that leaks silver mist. Provides 8 additional dice during spiritual, physical, and qi cultivation, and takes the place of the required spirit stone for cultivation. Provides 5 automatic successes per week during the cultivation of 'Argent' techniques.
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Wait a minute, Argent Vent provides the benefit even if we don't spend any time there? Like just visit it once a week, smell the fumes and "poof" 5 auto-success? Because otherwise, you've not explained which weekly action is spend using the Vent so it's benefit can work.
 
Yanmei is a big deal.
She is a (former) Great Clan's best chance to return to (relative) prominence in how many centuries?

That's why Ling Qi's talent and drive (and luck) is so notable, and that's why Meizhen told us that she expects us to create a strong House (which basically means a count house at the minimum).

Ling Qi has a chance at becoming a "legendary founder".
 
primemountain said:
Wait a minute, Argent Vent provides the benefit even if we don't spend any time there? Like just visit it once a week, smell the fumes and "poof" 5 auto-success? Because otherwise, you've not explained which weekly action is spend using the Vent so it's benefit can work.
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Yeah, the QM is probably being too generous. Personally I'm fine with taking it out. The QM put something rather similar in the first part of this week's update though. Ling Qi actually trained Thousand Ring Fortress at the Argent Vent with Su Ling, but benefited from the Mystic Vale bonus just the same just because Zhengui was cultivating there.
 
wankongyew said:
Yeah, the QM is probably being too generous. Personally I'm fine with taking it out. The QM put something rather similar in the first part of this week's update though. Ling Qi actually trained Thousand Ring Fortress at the Argent Vent with Su Ling, but benefited from the Mystic Vale bonus just the same just because Zhengui was cultivating there.
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Oh, so it's consistent. That makes sense then. It seems like you can cultivate in many places over the week, but what really benefits you is the best place you cultivated, for the purpose of that Art. It kind of makes sense.

Like the Natural Site Inspires the progress, and then the Cultivation bonus is actually processing what you felt when you were cultivating at the site.

And it makes it much easier on the GM, in terms of book-keeping , and keeping track of it all. Ok then, I'll include explanations for the Argent Drip.
 
I'll fix the math error, but yeah remember that I'm skipping over a whole lot of Ling Qi sitting around cultivating because that's boring to describe. You get the autos because Ling Qi still spends at least afew hours a week meditating at the vent even if she isn't doing anything in particular there.
 
wankongyew said:
Forgot that I wanted to talk about this. How does it make sense that there are a thousand Inner Sect disciples if the tournament and production competition admit only sixteen a year. Even if a few get in via other means, that might be, what, a couple dozen a year? Are there multiple Outer Peaks or something? Do disciples stay in the Inner Sect for decades at a time?
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Erebeal said:
Yeah, it seems a bit off. Like, at +16/year, that would mean that disciples in the inner sect stay there for ~>62 years on average to maintain those numbers. Yet despite that, the #6 student is a young guy at who's at Green 7, and Yanmei who's reached Cyan is considered a likely candidate for a Core Disciple.

We know that Meizhen and Cai aren't going to be there long, neither will we, and the same is likely true of Sun.

So, we've got indications that, for nobles at least, they often have other things to do so don't stay there forever. We know that the strongest students are still only green and appear to be young. Like, if the typical disciple stays there for decades then I'd expect the strongest disciples to have been there for decades and to be solidly in cyan or something. It's odd.

Either that or it's full of people who have bottlenecked in green, yet don't have any family responsibilities to go off and do instead of hanging out at the sect being a loser who's stagnating.
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Big Numbers that don't make sense are a Xianxia genre convention.
 
Well, you have to remember that most people simply stall out in the third realm, do to drastically increasing requirements as levels pass, and growing responsibilities eating up time, as well as the slow withering of talent that comes with age. People like Yanmei always exist. They're certainly rare, but the empire is pretty massive, like it's land area is probably somewhere around the size of the entire continent of asia, even if big chunks of that are functionally uninhabited, so even rare talents aren't necessarily something to completely flip your shit over. They're reason for celebration within a single clan or Sect, but not something that comes up on the province scale... yet.

Basically, just as the majority of the empires cultivators are lifetime first and second realms who form the base of the cultivation economy and society, layered on top of the mortal one, the majority of the talented are lifetime third realmers, who fill in all the administrative and leadership roles. The cream of the crop are those who can break into the fourth realm, at a young age, but even then, the vast majority of those stall out somewhere in the long climb to indigo.

Basically, although percentage wise, geniuses like Yanmei are rare, in terms of absolute numbers there are still many thousands like her who will never get more than halfway to indigo, which is where the numbers really start to shrink drastically, until you get down to White, where there are only ~10 or so practioners alive at any time.. That's why they are a 'hope' and not a certainty.
 
Sun Shao is a really old dude, and all of his kids have died. Sun Liling is his oldest LIVING grandchild.

You will find that most of the empire agrees on your assessment of Shenhua
 
Our flying sword should use Dexterity as its attribute because our dexterity has a cap of 8, higher than our other attributes. Dexterity is currently tied for our highest attribute so in the very short term it doesn't make a difference but attribute caps only raise with breakthroughs and we won't be having another one for a while. Even then, our Dex cap will likely still be one dot above our other attributes.

That one dot is actually worth multiple dice because Domain multiplies the base dice, including attribute dice.
 
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Most of the Empire has a heir apparent, and then hundreds of cousins fighting for that same position. The one that shows the most progress, in cultivation and skill and networking, gets to hold the title of heir apparent.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
That kind of makes it super crazy for Sun Shao / Cai Shenhua to gamble on a single heir.
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We have been told that while Sun Liling is his oldest living grandkid, there are other branches of the Sun families, they just aren't Shao's one. So he is mostly hoping one of his direct descendant can hold up the torch, but it's not like he has a lot of choice right now.

and yeah, there is a reason CRX believes she can be replaced at anytime she doesn't exceed expectations.
 
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