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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
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She could still train it. Su Ling is pretty good at seeing through illusions anyway, so it'd be more about trying to land a hit with AC than powering through defences if we were to use TRF.
EDIT: Wait, you have Meizhen not Xiulan. I don't mind the swap then, especially since we'll be able to show her tangible results from us attending the moon rave.
EDIT2: And we'll be grappling her for a change.
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I was training TRF with Meizhen, not Xiulan. Newest plan trains PLR with Meizhen.
I plan to have TRF with Xiulan on our next non-SLP-week (so next week, unless we decide to use a SLP in which case the week after that).
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I do. We need a minimum of 6 actions for TRF, likely 7. We are coming to week 42, and we need 2 weeks without TRF for SLP. This means that we have 10 weeks total left, and we need 9 of those weeks for TRF (7+2).
Not training TRF this week means either giving it up or having to train it every single week after.
Ok, attaching Sixiang to Zeqing strikes me as a terrible idea. Like, just inviting another tutor/spirit along to our private lessons with yandere ice spirit is kind of rude and unlikely to go anywhere good. I mean, Zeqing asked us before bringing Hanyi, and she'd have been well within her rights to just bring her along without that.
And if it's two separate discussions then it isn't really an attached minor.
And if it's two separate discussions then it isn't really an attached minor.
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imo the single extra autosuccess isn't worth it. As we just seen with dragon fight we're trowing 25-30 (or more) dice constantly. One autosux is negligible compared to level appropriate Arts (and gear/consumables).
No. We already have too many Arts to train. Even if we stay at Green 1 we don't have time to get everything to it's softcap. heck, you even say so in #3
Imo we should aim for the Arts that give new Skills at the given level, which iirc is once every other level. A couple extra dice distributed over the whole Art is less useful than a new skill unlocked in an other Art.
I think that makes more sense. We can train pretty much anything with Meizhen with no down side imo. Who knows, maybe we could surprise her ?
How many vent drips does it take to save the tutor mod on the training action ? unlocking AC (or AS) in two weeks is roughtly equivalent to getting it in week 49. And if we can use the tutor on an other Art we could save an other actio.
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I agree completely. @PrimalShadow ? Why would we bring another spirit into private lessons without asking permission?
Well, the question is mainly aimed at people who want a single art that helps tie our build together (a proper spiritual offensive support art for example) or who want FSA+ or who want a combat stealth art.
Personally I think we'd be better off having a spiritual offensive support art than we would having AE4 and AM5 put together.
I find new techniques are typically not usable. They only come into their own after being available for 2-3 levels. I would actually much rather have dice than techs it would be pointless to use.
TRF and PLR were both being trained in either case. The only question was which got trained with Meizhen and which got trained with Su Ling. That was what I was swapping.
Switched out FVM with PLR in my plan.
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Didn't Zeqing already gave us permission to bring a friend or two a while ago ?
To the Black Pool yes, but not for her tutoring.
No, she said it was fine to bring friends to the black pool. That's not the same thing.
I admit that it is a... questionable... decision. The way I was seeing things, we would introduce Sixiang to Zeqing more than anything else, but I do agree that it is socially risky. I'm not going to change it in my plan because I think that it is relatively important here, but if you wanted to you could move the Sixiang attachment to the Meizhen action instead. And/or change the Meizhen action back to a Xiulan action. I would be quite happy to see a plan like that in play as well. Feel free to copy & paste everything else in my plan to use as a base.
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She said it was ok to bring a friend or two to the black pool. As far as I know she didn't say anything of the sort about our private lessons.
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I mean, we know that Zeqing is a possessive entity and that plays into any interaction with her. However, we also have an acknowledgment from her that we are not "her's" which does make a difference in how she acts towards us.
So, I could see it going either way. Horribly wrong, or decently well. The issue is with Hanyi, but I think that this week is the week without her. We don't want to give Zeqing any feeling that another spirit might take over giving lessons to her daughter. That could end poorly. On the other hand, Zeqing might bring her anyway conveniently forgetting about the agreement. It helps us and her daughter, and we didn't seem to mind the first time.
I would caution against doing it, as I don't think that the risks are equitable to the rewards we might get, but I can see the rationale behind such a setup.
So, I could see it going either way. Horribly wrong, or decently well. The issue is with Hanyi, but I think that this week is the week without her. We don't want to give Zeqing any feeling that another spirit might take over giving lessons to her daughter. That could end poorly. On the other hand, Zeqing might bring her anyway conveniently forgetting about the agreement. It helps us and her daughter, and we didn't seem to mind the first time.
I would caution against doing it, as I don't think that the risks are equitable to the rewards we might get, but I can see the rationale behind such a setup.
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I think it's it a bit beyond "risky". We were already pretty rude with Zeqing's training once, when we used it as an excuse to get Sun off our tail. I really don't want to be rude again, especially when there isn't any real reason this time.
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Didn't the previous Dragon fight already shown we are mostly fine on offence spiritual dice ?
Mist of the Vale+Diapason is at 29 dice without ambush. +2 once we equipt FSS, probably more once leveled a bit. PLR is probably also going to give some.
I disagree. The only new skills not usable are those that compete with already existent Skills. Like a direct damage Skill would have to be better than FSA arts to be useable.
Skills that do something new are immediately useful. For exemple if SCS+1 gives an aggro drop or a combat stealth skill it'll be immediately useful.
Good point. On the other hand, Zeqing is buddy with other moon spirit(s) iirc there was Xin and an other couple of Moon spirits in that Party they through a little while ago.
And honestly it seems overly cluncky, mechanically, having to ask permission for it when there's never been mention that Zeqing Major Action doesn't allow Minor attaching. Imo.
[X] Plan Dancing in the Rain (Conservative Variant)
-[X] Overflow to spiritual, vent drip to AC, Grinning Moon successes to PLR
-[X] Buy stuff
--[X] Neophyte's Blade (150 RSS)
--[X] 1 YSS (10 RSS) so we use 4 this week after including our virtual stones
--[X] Heavy Rains Pill (15 RSS), 10 Dice Wood Pills (30 RSS), 5 Dice Water Pills (10 RSS), 5 Dice Moon Pills (15 RSS), 5 Dice Darkness Pills (15 RSS)
--[X] Dragon's Endurance Pill x5 (200 RSS), Bountiful Earth's Blessing (100 RSS)
--[X] Total Expenditures: 150 + 10 + 15 + 30 + 10 + 15 + 15 + 200 + 100 = 545 RSS
-[X] Train Music arts with Zeqing
--[X] (MAJOR) FSS
-[X] (MAJOR) Head out to Search for the cavern shown to you in the Moon Quest
-[X] Cultivate in the White Room
--[X] (MAJOR) Open Lung Meridian
--[X] With Su Ling
-[X] Train with Xiulan
--[X] (MAJOR) PLR
--[X] (attached minor) Sixiang shouldn't be a problem for the moment, but you are interested. She said she was a muse after all, maybe she can help you improve your music?
-[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[X] (MAJOR) TRF
--[X] (attached minor) Fulfill your offer with Su Ling, train her in Argent Current for another silverblood pill
-[X] (minor) It is time to address the matter of Cai's offer, it seems she is being polite and giving you time to settle, but it would be best not to leave it for too long
-[X] (minor) Train Zhengui in the Vale, and keep an eye on him, the little glutton
-[X] (minor) You and Suyin could continue working on the pale manual formations, perhaps you could ask Xuan Shi for a tip or two?
An alternative for those who don't think Zeqing and Sixiang should mix.
Instead, I swap out Meizhen (who might disprove of Sixiang), and swap in Xiulan, moving Sixiang from our Zeqing tutoring to our Xiulan training.
I expect that Xiulan and Sixiang will get along explosively. Like fire and alcohol.
-[X] Overflow to spiritual, vent drip to AC, Grinning Moon successes to PLR
-[X] Buy stuff
--[X] Neophyte's Blade (150 RSS)
--[X] 1 YSS (10 RSS) so we use 4 this week after including our virtual stones
--[X] Heavy Rains Pill (15 RSS), 10 Dice Wood Pills (30 RSS), 5 Dice Water Pills (10 RSS), 5 Dice Moon Pills (15 RSS), 5 Dice Darkness Pills (15 RSS)
--[X] Dragon's Endurance Pill x5 (200 RSS), Bountiful Earth's Blessing (100 RSS)
--[X] Total Expenditures: 150 + 10 + 15 + 30 + 10 + 15 + 15 + 200 + 100 = 545 RSS
-[X] Train Music arts with Zeqing
--[X] (MAJOR) FSS
-[X] (MAJOR) Head out to Search for the cavern shown to you in the Moon Quest
-[X] Cultivate in the White Room
--[X] (MAJOR) Open Lung Meridian
--[X] With Su Ling
-[X] Train with Xiulan
--[X] (MAJOR) PLR
--[X] (attached minor) Sixiang shouldn't be a problem for the moment, but you are interested. She said she was a muse after all, maybe she can help you improve your music?
-[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[X] (MAJOR) TRF
--[X] (attached minor) Fulfill your offer with Su Ling, train her in Argent Current for another silverblood pill
-[X] (minor) It is time to address the matter of Cai's offer, it seems she is being polite and giving you time to settle, but it would be best not to leave it for too long
-[X] (minor) Train Zhengui in the Vale, and keep an eye on him, the little glutton
-[X] (minor) You and Suyin could continue working on the pale manual formations, perhaps you could ask Xuan Shi for a tip or two?
An alternative for those who don't think Zeqing and Sixiang should mix.
Instead, I swap out Meizhen (who might disprove of Sixiang), and swap in Xiulan, moving Sixiang from our Zeqing tutoring to our Xiulan training.
I expect that Xiulan and Sixiang will get along explosively. Like fire and alcohol.
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That's by no means fine. 31 dice is barely usable against the highest-tier opposition and gives the mid-tier opposition (of which I'll count the dragon) a fair chance. We want to crush them utterly because a few rounds free is enough to hurt us quite a bit even against mid-tier opponents. Not to mention HC is going to be a part of our offense and its damage may scale with extra successes here as we rank up FSS. A spiritual offensive art would fix these issues without needing to rely on luck, which is where we are at currently.
[X] Plan Dancing in the Rain (Conservative Variant)