Point of order: the confess vote also jeopardizes our relationship with every character named Cai.
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Unfortunately, there are already some people voting to admit the truth expressly for the purpose of torpedoing the Cai route, so you'd be be falling into their hands. There's wrongvoting on all sides- just another aspect of the frustration this vote is causing me.
Um... what? That doesn't make sense. I think the prevailing sentiment is precisely the opposite - that admitting leaves us more set for the Cai route, while conversely for the Sect route we would be better of keeping the secret.
Some ppl are voting confess to torpedo the Cai route. They've literally said so. I agree it doesn't make total sense, but it indisputably exists.
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[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
Yeah, I'm not sure the consequences of telling the truth are worth it. It's just too big of a risk when we can't trust Cai to be even a little lenient. Cai's rigid sense of justice doesn't seem to have any leniency for people who show remorse, a viewpoint that comes from a position of privilege in both wealth and in being the one who administers the justice.
Yeah, I'm not sure the consequences of telling the truth are worth it. It's just too big of a risk when we can't trust Cai to be even a little lenient. Cai's rigid sense of justice doesn't seem to have any leniency for people who show remorse, a viewpoint that comes from a position of privilege in both wealth and in being the one who administers the justice.
Please don't. There will absolutely be significant consequences for this vote. So voting with the idea there won't be any is a really bad thing to do. Claiming Cai is so practical as to go against all her previous characterisation of beliveing in justice and punishing people she thinks are doing wrong is just foolish.
If we're going with the trust issues thing then I would point out that Ling Qi has every reason to have trust issues and Cai started off their relationship by going 'Yeah I just hired a load of people to spy on you.' Going in and demanding Cai show something of herself may not have been the best move, but she frankly did it first.
Please don't torpedo our chances at the tournament and our relationships with our other friends out of some misguided belief that consequences won't apply or that what Cai just revealed will have anything like the same effect as what revealing our theft would.
Ling Qi belived that repaying Fu Xiang was worth the discomfort it brought her. Is this really worth the discomfort it will bring to our friends?
Just please don't vote with the idea that there won't be consequences.
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I did exceed propriety both in the quoted post and in my initial reply to you wherein I flopped, so I reconsidered and deleted both of those posts. All of us have a part in ensuring that discourse is held to a higher standard and I regretfully fell short.
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[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
First-time voter dropping in. I don't get why this vote is so contentious. If I understand it properly the choice is to keep quiet about doing a bad thing with very little chance it gets revealed later or tell the person who just stated they hate all criminals unconditionally you are a criminal.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
First-time voter dropping in. I don't get why this vote is so contentious. If I understand it properly the choice is to keep quiet about doing a bad thing with very little chance it gets revealed later or tell the person who just stated they hate all criminals unconditionally you are a criminal.
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I don't expect the consequences of confessing to matter much to our immediate goals within the sect. The post you quote includes a few ways that Cai might reasonably punish us without torpedoing her own goals. She has shown herself capable of making pragmatic decisions in the past. If you object to my analysis, feel free to actually point out an error or implausible assertion and extreme examples of consequences that aren't particularly likely here.
There's also the underlying theory that Bai Meizhen will shield Ling Qi from the consequences of any stupid and self destructive actions she makes. This right after Meizhen got done spending a month busting her hump to shield Ling Qi from the consequences of ignoring Yan Renshu.
Personally, I'd rather not test the limits of the Meizhen protective umbrella to destruction.
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
Let's not do the high risk low reward thing? Ling feeling guilty is not Ling feeling masochistic. Move on, learn your lesson, don't do this shit in the future since it isn't in line with what we want to do. Also man the whiplash.
As a side note - falling on the sword doesn't necessarily mean giving up Fu Xiang. "I did this to repay a favor, no I'm not giving up who requested this since it defeats the purpose of said favor"
Let's not do the high risk low reward thing? Ling feeling guilty is not Ling feeling masochistic. Move on, learn your lesson, don't do this shit in the future since it isn't in line with what we want to do. Also man the whiplash.
As a side note - falling on the sword doesn't necessarily mean giving up Fu Xiang. "I did this to repay a favor, no I'm not giving up who requested this since it defeats the purpose of said favor"
Well, the alternative is lying to a potential friend & leige, which some people are hesitant to do.
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[X]Admit to the deception. Apologize, explain, and accept the consequences.
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I'm growing to really like how contentious this vote is. It was looking far too stable, whether or not we'd go the CRX route. This really shakes things up and makes us think. What's our view of justice? What would we sacrifice for it? Could we really work alongside the self-righteous who spout it every other sentence.
Still not completely set either way but it's a good thing to ponder before making big decisions. Nice lead up to having to answer Cai's proposal.
Still not completely set either way but it's a good thing to ponder before making big decisions. Nice lead up to having to answer Cai's proposal.
Right before the vote options, Ling Qi makes it clear that both she and Fu Xiang would get punished. This makes sense, because the vote option that admits our criminal activities includes an explanation, and there's really no way to provide one without selling out Fu Xiang. Admitting it and then refusing to reveal our collaborator would push us into MEGA PAIN punishment territory. Respecting our reticence to reveal Fu Xiang is something I honestly don't think she's capable of doing.
Yeah, this whole "share personal details" thing is misguided. Much of what helped us get to know our friends was the ability to actually hang out with them to some degree. We don't have that with Cai. There was a reason that, ages ago, I said that possibly the best thing we could do would be to go to the hot springs with Cai or something like that. I would love to sit down with her and just talk about tea. Plus then Ling Qi wouldn't be lying about all tea being the same to her. She totally has preferences! She likes Meizhen's tea.
Meizhen's tea has the one ingredient that Renxiang's never can.
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I think your analysis of the political situation is misguided at best.
Cai's political goal is taking control of the outer sect. That was Shenhua's test. She has essentially done that. Beating Liling in the tournament would be a final victory yes, but she has essentailly already won what she needs to. From that perspective punishing those who've transgressed against her is much more important. Especially since if she loses Ling Qi she has backups in the form of Han Jian and the GF group. Losing Fu from the production tourney is probably not important as Sun Liling doesn't really have anyone in the crafting one from what we know and it doesn't do much for her philosophy.
Punishing us heavily is unlikley to majorly damage her relations with the other members of the council. Meizhen wouldn't break with Cai over her punishing a self admitted theif due to how that might reflect on the Bai clan and the fact that Ling Qi herself went to Cai and confessed. She may be angry in private but a lot of that would be aimed at Ling Qi for doing something so stupid and she already decided to discuss things with Ling Qi and not to coddle her anymore. Han Jian may like us but again 'WE'VE ADMITTED BREAKING ONE OF THE CARDINAL RULES'. The market was doubleplus protected by truce, and not just because of Cai. Opposing our earned punishment reflects badly back on him, his clan and his faction.
Pain is unlikely to be an effective punishment. We're a green level cultivator, we're good with pain. Unless it involves actual medium term crippling it's unlikely to do much overall. Cai has also been dealing with pain her whole life, and whilst she has considered pain to be part of her penance before it doesn't really serve her overall theme of justice.
From Fu Xiang's perspecive it's even worse, as it gives him greater motivation to truly betray her and doesn't effect his ability to do so.
She basically needs to punish us publically. To enforce her order.
So we'll almost certainly lose the white room. She can easily confiscate the income we were getting from the pill furnace, so we lose that too. She can fine us, and given the value of what we destroyed I expect we'll lose most of what we have on us including the green stone. And oh yes! She can have Xuan confine us for a month, which is more than appropriate given that was Ji Rong's sentence for a significantly lesser crime.
Then if she does punish us publically we have the fall out with our other relationships to deal with. Our relationship with Li Suyin basically gets torpedoed. We cause Meizhen a lot of headaches at minimum. Xiulan is basically our other best friend and has been seen using the white room with us, so she'll take face blowback due to being so heavily associated with a known theif.
So yeah. There are a lot of potential consequences I think you're ignoring in favour of a ridicliously optimistic scenario in which the whole "CONSEQUENCES" the update basically tells us are there won't happen.
