Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Guile
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The trick is to do away with sleep entirely. Perhaps the right combination of drugs will keep you clicking the 'refresh' button long after your opponents have fallen to rhetoric or sleepRevised version.
Also @BoneyM thanks for sticking to the 24 hour vote cycles. I'd hate to screw things up like the vote was going to because I was missing some important clarification due to being too asleep
It worked in college lemme say.
Can't keep that up in your thirties no more.
DarkLight140
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That's a good objective. I don't think the vote does a terrible good job of focusing properly on it, but it's not bad enough that it's worth the energy to argue over.
The main vote text says specifically that it's outside our area of responsibility to even suggest it. It will never occur to Van Hal to give that order if we don't bring it up; bringing it up and then saying "but that's a terrible idea" is not appropriate in this case.
The "you can order me to do this, but I have very limited ways to accomplish it" strategy is meant for something more like Drakenhof, where sending men into Sylvania will only get us dead agents and the knowledge of the vampires that we're onto them. It's not for suggesting completely off the wall ideas and then shooting them down.
And your greatsword vote still has two greatswords assigned to Julia when we're not telling people that she works for us. What is the point of not telling people she works for us when greatswords are one of the most unsubtle markers possible that the person being escorted is on the Elector Count's business? That's simply not appropriate. Please explain your logic here or rewrite the greatsword vote to unassign them and order Julia to get some of her family's merchant guards or hire maids who can use pistols or something. She needs to either be consistently subtle or to take advantage of being unsubtle entirely by working out of the castle and serving as a point of contact for Stirland's intelligence corps; mixing the two will not serve us well.
A fair point. Adjusting to take the greatswords away. I just realized Julia could fight pretty damned good herself.
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I don't think the religious order as it currently is a good idea since it doesn't say to mention the order privately so if we suggest the order in front of the council we'll piss off Kasmir.
[X] [Julia] Plan Townhouse
-[X] Hire her, buy her a home in town near your residence. Somewhere where people coming and going at odd times won't draw a fuss.
-[X] Her job would be to manage your informant networks in general, particularly sorting through the reports and picking out what's significant versus chaff. It'd also involve independently expanding the networks as funds and opportunities allow after she has settled in.
-[X] The only ones who are should specifically know her position should be Van Hal, yourself, Markus and your assigned greatswords and anyone you assign to work for her. Otherwise, be subtle.
-[X] Provide funding for a handful of retainers to keep up appearances. If she has any family contacts she can call on to provide reliable and vetted guards and servants, or to assist with background checks on any such new hires, have her do so.
-[X] Introduce her to Van Hal.
[X] [Greatswords] Greatswords will stay in the castle, except when you're going somewhere publicly, or interrogating potentially hostile persons.
Cut the assignment to Julia, since we're trying to keep her position subtle.
[X] [Public Report] Plan Points for public consumption.
I don't have any problems with @veekie's public report.
[X] [Private Report] Plan Shorter Meeting
-[X] Tell him about everything you learned in the interview. Especially how they produce infiltrators.
-[X] You have acquired some subordinates.
--[X] You have hired a lieutenant, Julia Massif, to help manage your information networks. In case any unfortunate 'accidents' happens to you, he can have some continuity through her so he wouldn't need to start from scratch.
--[X] Several veterans have been assigned to gather low-level information.
-[X] You have a lead on permanently sealing the snake away. Give him as much information on the process as you have, if he's interested. Suggest he approve a one-time increase in the discretionary budget in the interests of keeping his favourite spymaster un-eaten-by-a-snake. It'll be around a hundred gold for the mirrors, plus the cost of a skilled artisan to assemble the mirrorbox.
Cut the private report back a bit. I don't particularly care to share the information about Anton's Jade Wizard contact, and him bribing the maid for snacks would be amusing to tell on, but not overly necessary. Also, no Ranald confession.
[X] [Orders] Plan Now, Back To That Other Guy...
-[X] The disappearance of your predecessor is very concerning, especially since he's actively trying to sabotage the hunt for him. He must be found, and you've got a lead: Julbach.
-[X] The Stirlandian League is a cancer eating at Stirland's economy, and it must be destroyed.
--[X] This would likely be difficult while the previous spymaster is still at large to run counterintelligence, but it can be done.
-[X] The spell used by the informants is like nothing you've heard of before. You want to investigate it, and see if you can detect or replicate it.
--[X] If you can replicate the technique, it will be a powerful tool for the Empire's defense. There's the problem of killing the user, but that is potentially a problem of source -- Dhar is corrosive by nature.
-[X] There's definitely evil afoot in Drakenhof. Perhaps there's a way to survive investigating this.
--[X] Recommend against it. With their sleeper agents uncovered and in the wind, there's no immediate threat, and the potential gain isn't worth the risk of a dead spymaster. Hint hint.
Replaced the religion section with magic research and made a handful of other minor changes.
-[X] Hire her, buy her a home in town near your residence. Somewhere where people coming and going at odd times won't draw a fuss.
-[X] Her job would be to manage your informant networks in general, particularly sorting through the reports and picking out what's significant versus chaff. It'd also involve independently expanding the networks as funds and opportunities allow after she has settled in.
-[X] The only ones who are should specifically know her position should be Van Hal, yourself, Markus and your assigned greatswords and anyone you assign to work for her. Otherwise, be subtle.
-[X] Provide funding for a handful of retainers to keep up appearances. If she has any family contacts she can call on to provide reliable and vetted guards and servants, or to assist with background checks on any such new hires, have her do so.
-[X] Introduce her to Van Hal.
[X] [Greatswords] Greatswords will stay in the castle, except when you're going somewhere publicly, or interrogating potentially hostile persons.
Cut the assignment to Julia, since we're trying to keep her position subtle.
[X] [Public Report] Plan Points for public consumption.
I don't have any problems with @veekie's public report.
[X] [Private Report] Plan Shorter Meeting
-[X] Tell him about everything you learned in the interview. Especially how they produce infiltrators.
-[X] You have acquired some subordinates.
--[X] You have hired a lieutenant, Julia Massif, to help manage your information networks. In case any unfortunate 'accidents' happens to you, he can have some continuity through her so he wouldn't need to start from scratch.
--[X] Several veterans have been assigned to gather low-level information.
-[X] You have a lead on permanently sealing the snake away. Give him as much information on the process as you have, if he's interested. Suggest he approve a one-time increase in the discretionary budget in the interests of keeping his favourite spymaster un-eaten-by-a-snake. It'll be around a hundred gold for the mirrors, plus the cost of a skilled artisan to assemble the mirrorbox.
Cut the private report back a bit. I don't particularly care to share the information about Anton's Jade Wizard contact, and him bribing the maid for snacks would be amusing to tell on, but not overly necessary. Also, no Ranald confession.
[X] [Orders] Plan Now, Back To That Other Guy...
-[X] The disappearance of your predecessor is very concerning, especially since he's actively trying to sabotage the hunt for him. He must be found, and you've got a lead: Julbach.
-[X] The Stirlandian League is a cancer eating at Stirland's economy, and it must be destroyed.
--[X] This would likely be difficult while the previous spymaster is still at large to run counterintelligence, but it can be done.
-[X] The spell used by the informants is like nothing you've heard of before. You want to investigate it, and see if you can detect or replicate it.
--[X] If you can replicate the technique, it will be a powerful tool for the Empire's defense. There's the problem of killing the user, but that is potentially a problem of source -- Dhar is corrosive by nature.
-[X] There's definitely evil afoot in Drakenhof. Perhaps there's a way to survive investigating this.
--[X] Recommend against it. With their sleeper agents uncovered and in the wind, there's no immediate threat, and the potential gain isn't worth the risk of a dead spymaster. Hint hint.
Replaced the religion section with magic research and made a handful of other minor changes.
DarkLight140
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Based upon past trends, the other council members don't get to see the options that we're suggesting. Notice how Van Hal is always looking at them written down on a sheet of paper before telling us what his pick is? They are never spoken and we don't give those papers to everyone at the meeting, so the others don't know them.
Which produces often-bizarre results, like how Talabecland apparently doesn't know how we've been repeatedly suggesting that we need to attack the designer of and ultimately dismantle the Stirlandian League or how we can suggest while Kasmir is three feet away that the absurdly shitty version of his job we could do would still be more in Van Hal's interest than what Kasmir is managing right now.
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Guile
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I'm okay with
[X] Plan Seventeen
I think magic is more in our wheelhouse than the religion thing, and I've never really loved the idea of explaining about Renald. It's kind of like... if you're proselytizing about Renald, aren't you doing his religion wrong?
Plus, it doesn't hurt to ask for a one-time increase in discretionary budget to help with the snake thing.
[X] Plan Seventeen
I think magic is more in our wheelhouse than the religion thing, and I've never really loved the idea of explaining about Renald. It's kind of like... if you're proselytizing about Renald, aren't you doing his religion wrong?
Plus, it doesn't hurt to ask for a one-time increase in discretionary budget to help with the snake thing.
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Sure. Will add to bring it up privately as an option
chocolote12
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[X] Plan Seventeen
Kairos123
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I really wish this quest worked off of planned voting. It's ridiculous trying to figure out which plans are competitive at this point.
I'm unhappy with the way that the reveal of Ranald faith is written, with explicit hopes to convert the count. It's a dick move, taking advantage of his vulnerability for some nebulous advantage. Rather than healing the wound, it declares it inoperable so we might as well chop it off altogether. I'd hope we aren't aiming for anti-sigmarite, because that's how you get it. Probably a bad idea to bring up religion with someone going through a crisis of faith in the first place, but doing so when so many of his troubles stem from religion is stupid. At least wait until some of this settles down.
Same for the mindhole nonsense. Why would we ask for someone's permission in the first place? If something happens that would require us to do so, we aren't going to be asking. It's revealing our hand for what, the moral highground? That we'd be telling this to someone working closely with us is an astoundingly bad idea.
Edit: And out of nowhere Seventeen becomes the hero we needed.
[X] Plan Seventeen
I'm unhappy with the way that the reveal of Ranald faith is written, with explicit hopes to convert the count. It's a dick move, taking advantage of his vulnerability for some nebulous advantage. Rather than healing the wound, it declares it inoperable so we might as well chop it off altogether. I'd hope we aren't aiming for anti-sigmarite, because that's how you get it. Probably a bad idea to bring up religion with someone going through a crisis of faith in the first place, but doing so when so many of his troubles stem from religion is stupid. At least wait until some of this settles down.
Same for the mindhole nonsense. Why would we ask for someone's permission in the first place? If something happens that would require us to do so, we aren't going to be asking. It's revealing our hand for what, the moral highground? That we'd be telling this to someone working closely with us is an astoundingly bad idea.
Edit: And out of nowhere Seventeen becomes the hero we needed.
[X] Plan Seventeen
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chocolote12
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The mindhole nonsense stopped, I think. The religion stuff is still being litigated, though.
DarkLight140
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Hm. @Seventeen does one thing in his vote which had not previously occurred to me but I really like, which is moving introducing Van Hal to Julia into the Julia section of the vote and only talking about her in the private report rather than to her. The way that @veekie has his vote structured it implies that Julia is actually present for our entire private report with Van Hal, which given some of the other things we're talking about there and the fairly drastic shift in tone that having someone Van Hal just met present in the meeting will do, is highly undesirable.
Not a fan of tossing out a bunch of trivialities about the other councilors during our private report, so dropping those is fine by me too; that's for important stuff. No one cares about Anton's snacks, the Gustav information is only relevant in that it tells Van Hal we made some motions toward putting eyes on Gustav, and if Van Hal doesn't know Wilhelmina dislikes Sigmarites except for him after the better part of two decades working with her then he's no Witch Hunter at all.
I like the magic option being presented to Van Hal better than the religion one as well- frankly I don't want to spend actions on anything religious and I do want to spend actions on magical research, and magical research is likely to be much more productive anyway, so why not?
Dropping the Ranald discussion... I am pretty neutral on the topic of actually bringing up Ranald to Van Hal, so I don't have an issue with it.
Overall, several minor improvements or things I'm neutral on building on a vote that was already mostly solid, so I think it's the best vote currently available.
[x] Plan Seventeen
Not a fan of tossing out a bunch of trivialities about the other councilors during our private report, so dropping those is fine by me too; that's for important stuff. No one cares about Anton's snacks, the Gustav information is only relevant in that it tells Van Hal we made some motions toward putting eyes on Gustav, and if Van Hal doesn't know Wilhelmina dislikes Sigmarites except for him after the better part of two decades working with her then he's no Witch Hunter at all.
I like the magic option being presented to Van Hal better than the religion one as well- frankly I don't want to spend actions on anything religious and I do want to spend actions on magical research, and magical research is likely to be much more productive anyway, so why not?
Dropping the Ranald discussion... I am pretty neutral on the topic of actually bringing up Ranald to Van Hal, so I don't have an issue with it.
Overall, several minor improvements or things I'm neutral on building on a vote that was already mostly solid, so I think it's the best vote currently available.
[x] Plan Seventeen
Oi. This is pure bullshit.
It'd be explicit if Julia was actually in the ONE TO ONE report.
DarkLight140
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Eh?
She... is in the private report? And the one which you seem to be voting for according to the tally? Have I missed something here?
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Here's a question. Would it be possible to somehow get a local priest to talk to Van Hal about his crisis of faith? Some sort of counselling, or allowing him to see other viewpoints, or something like that. Just getting a religious viewpoint that is not Kashmir, to hopefully stop his crisis of faith doom spiral. I'm not too familiar with Warhammer Fantasy, so I have no idea if its possible or feasible. Just a suggestion.
Guile
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That sounds kinda dangerous, spreading the info that the Elector Count is having a crisis of faith.
If we had someone we could trust, sure.
Guile
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I once called Van Hal 'Abraham' and Kasmir 'Kismar'.
And obviously Ranald sometimes get called 'Renald' or 'Ronald' or something, but he believes in freedom, which I assume means the freedom to misspell his name any which way I want.
Guile
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Once they open their first McD's, the rest of Stirland falls in line.