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1. We are in a way better position now that Kane would not like. Unless we can crack India Kane is never coming out of his hole until we are chocking on tib dust
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1. We are in a way better position now that Kane would not like. Unless we can crack India Kane is never coming out of his hole until we are chocking on tib dust
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As I understand it, Tiberium mutates and adapts to its environment, so we have no way to prove that an experimental moon mine won't end up turning the moon green.
It's not worth the risk when you have an entire solar system full of resources to play with , and space stuff is the biggest propaganda flex we have on NOD , to the point that I'm sure the NOD leaders are trying to censor news about the moon bases and the mars mission.
It's not worth the risk when you have an entire solar system full of resources to play with , and space stuff is the biggest propaganda flex we have on NOD , to the point that I'm sure the NOD leaders are trying to censor news about the moon bases and the mars mission.
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Kane offering the TCN in this timeline will depend on two things.
1) Is GDI desperate enough to build the things on his terms
2) Is GDI not already in the process of mass evacuating into space.
He would like 1), but without the assistance of the industrial power of GDI he will not finish the network and if 2) is in process he needs to soften his terms to get our industrial assistance at all.
1) Is GDI desperate enough to build the things on his terms
2) Is GDI not already in the process of mass evacuating into space.
He would like 1), but without the assistance of the industrial power of GDI he will not finish the network and if 2) is in process he needs to soften his terms to get our industrial assistance at all.
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How I know someone has lost an argument and their perspective on an issue? They bring up outside politics that no one is discussing or economic systems no one is discussing.
Yea, and I'm arguing OOC, like everyone does, all the time?
No, I mean Seo. Kane's arrival, not talk in thread.
The only way for Tiberium to be brought to space willingly would be if we have moved our entire population into space for multiple generations, and gained the complete technology of the TCN (i think its called) becuase from wjqt ive seen talked about in thread that thing can just remove Tiberium from an entire planet. Because at that point those whos been traumatized are dead, and the new generation have the assurance thqt they can just remove any Tiberium from fuck ups. But even then the most i could see for 60-80 years is seeding them on astrodes.
Bassically as long as the pop in the gdi has lived in space for multiple generations, they can completly get rid of Tiberium from any mistakes, and nod is completely destroyed. Then i feel like in universe they'll consider seeding Tiberium not on earth and not immediately get killed.
Bassically as long as the pop in the gdi has lived in space for multiple generations, they can completly get rid of Tiberium from any mistakes, and nod is completely destroyed. Then i feel like in universe they'll consider seeding Tiberium not on earth and not immediately get killed.
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Tiberium broke the world.
Honestly, the single most unrealistic part of Nod is the veneration of Tiberium, because the people Nod recruits from have all lost someone to the green rock. We need some pretty substantial Suspension of Disbelief to get around that problem.
Most of humanity is dead. The games don't really go into it, because games, but they died from warlords and starvation and thirst and illnesses that any half-decent hospital could have cured. Earlier in the game, the citizens of GDI were delighted to enjoy rare, precious luxuries like "new clothes" and "real food". The richest people on Earth were eating protein bars and queuing up for a chance at fresh underwear.
The Yellow Zones were not so lucky. I don't like to think about the child mortality rate, and God only knows what happens to seniors when they get too old to contribute. Warlords in the Yellow Zone kill each other over precious resources like "water you can drink without dying".
The apocalypse has already happened. Billions lie dead, their corpses devoured by Tiberium, and it continues to spread. While it is entirely true that Tiberium is a mindless rock with no more malice than kudzu, its existence has made things immeasurably worse for the vast, vast majority of humanity. In this context, discussing how we should spread it to space is both deeply unwise and immeasurably insensitive.
Honestly, the single most unrealistic part of Nod is the veneration of Tiberium, because the people Nod recruits from have all lost someone to the green rock. We need some pretty substantial Suspension of Disbelief to get around that problem.
Most of humanity is dead. The games don't really go into it, because games, but they died from warlords and starvation and thirst and illnesses that any half-decent hospital could have cured. Earlier in the game, the citizens of GDI were delighted to enjoy rare, precious luxuries like "new clothes" and "real food". The richest people on Earth were eating protein bars and queuing up for a chance at fresh underwear.
The Yellow Zones were not so lucky. I don't like to think about the child mortality rate, and God only knows what happens to seniors when they get too old to contribute. Warlords in the Yellow Zone kill each other over precious resources like "water you can drink without dying".
The apocalypse has already happened. Billions lie dead, their corpses devoured by Tiberium, and it continues to spread. While it is entirely true that Tiberium is a mindless rock with no more malice than kudzu, its existence has made things immeasurably worse for the vast, vast majority of humanity. In this context, discussing how we should spread it to space is both deeply unwise and immeasurably insensitive.
You forget that Kane can also just flat out nuke everything in orbit and force GDI to come to the table.
But yes, Kane wants his damn tower. And he will get, over everybody else's corpse if he has to.
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Well yes, but Kane needs to get past ASAT, which gets harder with each control station and weapon system we add, and it gets harder to nuke stuff that's already on the moon and beyond.
No he can't.
We have our extremly expensive ASAT exactly to prevent that.
Kane has gotten through the ASAT systems before. I do not trust that he won't be able to do so again.
Basic research on Tiberium is happening anyway, funded in the background. Almost every named Tiberium researcher in CNC works for GDI, or worked for them before defecting to Nod. Or being kidnapped by Nod. Learning about the vore crystal is essential to figuring out how to manage and defend against it.
However.
Liquid Tiberium power cells is not basic research, its commercialization.
And its worth pointing out that the Australia RZ is the result of Nod intentionally detonating a GDI Liquid Tiberium research facility.
As in, those were only quantities for research, not for commercial use.
We really do not want a situation where we have to produce and store liquid T as fuel, or enable some Nod warlord to do the same.
Liquid T is nasty like that.
Communal housing standards have ranged from the managed suites of a high class hotel in New York City to the multiple homes in one compound seen in parts of the Third World to the single room per family, shared bathroom and toilet facilities of a twenty family, rental slum dwelling in Ajegunle, Lagos.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the concept, just the amount of resources invested in it
And historically a lot more of the world lives and has lived under those conditions than whats currently considerd
On Tiberiumverse Earth, with safe space at a premium in Yellow Zones, I am willing to wager that the two thirds of humanity living under Nod control, and a significant chunk of current BZ residents, are perfectly comfortable in communal housing at BZ standards.
Thats in addition to young singles who have moved out of home but would still like a bit of community.
Gonna need more Glaciers though to meet our funding targets I think.
Probably by the middle of Year 3 or so after we get some more ZA into the hands of our Ground Forces.
Strongly disagree.Tiberium would be a horribly inefficient weapon.
Noone who can design and control the femtotech/attotech hegemonizing metamaterial that is Tiberium would need it to deal with planetbound primitives who were still using fossil fuel engines.
Are still using fossile fuel engines, I believe.
You dont produce FOOF to rid your neighborhood of weeds.
I see someone has read The Killing Star.
I dont believe this is plausible. Tiberium is too slow, and frankly too inefficient to be a weapon.
Tiberiumverse Earth circa 1995 when Tiberium first made landfall was a civilization that had only barely made it off its planet's surface, and did not have a permanent extraterrestrial population. Conversely, the Scrin were an interstellar, FTL-capable civilization with access to disgusting amounts of energy production and casual spacelift.
If they were in this for eliminating potential competitors, all theyd need was a one ton kinetic impactor at 0.9999c.
1500 GT, almost twice the energy release of the last Yellowstone eruption. Or just divert Shoemaker-Levy into Earth instead of Jupiter. Everything dies, mission complete.
Whatever Scrin motivations are, genocide of Type 0 civilizations is unlikely to be a primary, or even secondary motivator.
There are faster, easier ways to do that.
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Are you willing to table OOC discussions of the TCN and your desire to spread Tiberium beyond Earth, until we actually have the mechanics of the TCN, including cost, time to set up, degree of control, how large/small it can be made, etc?
Fine. At least for now. It's pretty obvious that no one shares my position.
You are mistaken.
Tiberium has two uses. 1) It's a source of economic power for the Scrin. 2) The way it functions means that either the primitives on the planet it hits can't use it, and die to the crystal's spread, or they can use it and spread it faster. It's not a fast weapon, but it's not designed to be a fast weapon. It's designed to make sure that whatever primitives live down there are dead by the time the harvesting crew shows up, most of a century down the line.
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It's believable to me, people often desperately want to believe that their suffering and sacrifice has a purpose, a meaning. Religions have been preying on that for literal ages. Say something about Tiberium smiting the sinful, and that you need to repent, etc etc and you can somewhat believably end up with Nod, religion is a scary thing...
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It's plenty efficient if you're willing to wait.
A one ton, 0.999c RKKV, as described, would need ~2 x 10^27 joules of energy to accelerate, plus the energy outlay of transporting it and your launch system to the target system. Which might be cheap by K2 standards but slightly colossal to transport.
Tiberium just grows on trees, if you let it. It doesn't need high velocities to achieve its kill, so no bulky launch system, just dump it through a portal and let it do its thing. And it's not like planetbound primitives would know how to process the stuff.
(Which places us in the unenviable position of having something to thank Kane for.)
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We don't *really* need either. For the container we could simply make a hollow tube of material whose thickness is such that the Tib won't chew through it before it's harvested and whatever remains can be thrown into to start again without worrying about decontamination.
Mutation is even more interesting because Tib seems to require some sort of critical mass to mutate. Isolated in space with only the relatively small quantity contained in the crucible, the Tib may well be unable to mutate itself.
Edit: Through all this speculation is very premature. Earth based spacelift is likely to be our most economical means of growing orbital infrastructure in to immediate future.
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My personal experience was two families, one room per family, with shared kitchen and bathroom (and shared living room: height of luxury right there). I was a little kid, so I didn't mind it at the time (except for having to wait to go to the bathroom), but I bet my parents were jumping for joy when they were finally able to move out.
Still better than living in a tent next to a Tiberium field, sure.
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Don't get why all the winning plans are deploying artillery without the shell plants: don't we, uh, need ammo to use all those fancy artillery pieces?
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IIRC the inaccuracy of our current guns leads to shell wastage.
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Artillery revamp includes modifying the existing shell plants for the new tubes.
Also, it's been stated that the new tubes will reduce ammo consumption, as one of the big ammo eaters is the fact that our guns are hilariously inaccurate, so GDI needs to mass bombard just to hit anything with them.
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We've got shells, just not as much as we'd like.
Tube Artillery's supposed to help with that by rationalizing our artillery park around...well, an actual artillery piece instead of a surplus tank gun. So hopefully we can actually hit point targets instead of just generally within the postal code.
EDIT:Ninja'd.