Nodquest Negaverse Regency War Part 1: Prelude
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Nodquest Negaverse Regency War Part 1: Prelude
Githeggs
2058 Situation
The Initiative has new leadership in the form of Seo Thoki for the Treasury and Director Emilana Litvinov.
Seo is a bit of a mad scientist, one of the first to work heavily on Granger's glacier mines, and advocates for a wide array of social and political programs. Director Litvinov is a return to GDI's old priorities. Loathing war, she seeks to return GDI's welfare spending levels to the heights of the 2040s, and with Seo on her side she may well do so by diving deep into the Red Zones and carving out new towns and cities with the materials made possible by tiberium.
On December 1 2057, in a closely run campaign, Emiliana Litvinov won her seat as director of the Global Defense Initiative, and in a surprise turnaround, selected Arthur Hackett, her main opposition, as the Deputy Director. While the two are unlikely to make a particularly strong pairing, they are likely to be stable, with one representing each wing of the Initiative's political spectrum.
Part of Litvinov's victory came from Bennett dropping out of the race and endorsing her. While Bennett will retain his position as Secretary of Archives and History, this is likely the end of his broader political ambitions. It is expected that Litvinov will be supporting many of his positions and goals, especially as they overlap her own.
The most surprising result was actually for Harrison Carter, who severely underperformed expectations, primarily due to going out of his way to reject the support of the Initiative First party, and went so far as to publicly reject the endorsements of the few who did offer their support. Beyond that, he published multiple direct policy positions that would offer broader support to Yellow Zone populations, including direct evacuation plans that gave the Terminus Cities the same evacuation priorities as Blue Zone assets
AzureBlade
Well, that's better than I was worried things would end up. They don't seem likely to renege on our existing arrangement, though Hackett being on board scares the hell out of me; maybe we can finally get some proper abatement going. It'd be nice to push the Red all the way off the peninsula.
OSHA_Inspector
… Whyever would we do that?
If the 2050's have shown us one thing it's that GDI is weak and severely underfunding its military. What we should do is prepare for a major worldwide offensive in a couple of years. Prepare the new weapon systems, India is doing some wonderful stuff with their cyborgs, and there is a number of promising answers to GDI's ablative plating nonsense.
We may be able to knock GDI on its arse again if we do this right, and leave them permanently unable to do much.
Sea_Snek
Their navy is underfunded at least. Although the new cruisers are pretty badass individually, they don't have enough of them. But I dunno if you really want to poke them that hard. Remember what happened after Italy.
AzureBlade
#OSHA_Inspector …You do recall that's been tried already, right? And it's failed, every time?
OSHA_Inspector
… You realize that that was single factions trying to batter at GDI? Of course that didn't go so well, GDI can just reinforce from across the world. We can't do that so of course GDI hit back hard. That's why we need to hit GDI together. Make them engage in too many theaters to be able to concentrate force.
Vlad_The_Impala
I think we could focus on building up but letting them over-extend again with all the red zone hardware and mines. If they draw enough of their economy from regions we can easily scissor off then we can just…let them feed and grow fat on that. Red zone raiding isn't the most profitable action anyways, but if we time it right we might trigger a broader economic collapse.
Imperial_Assertion
(Gideon)
We can't beat GDI alone, but each attack we have made has pushed them back and made them struggle. If we put in coordinated effort, that should be enough to make things fall in our favor.
OSHA_Inspector
#Vlad_The_Impala
Well, we need to build up first, and if Italy was a hint, it's likely GDI is going to delve deep into the RZs for money for the next few years at minimum. By the time they're ready to pivot towards Litvinov's agenda and start spending the bounty from those costly Red Zone operations we'll be right where we need to be to cut them off.
And I don't think they'll spend money on Red Zone military stuff. They'll think it's all good.
#Imperial_Assertion
Exactly.
SnowstormBlitz
(Yao)
That's good. No one is going to attack with those two. We can continue to build up and maybe it will be peaceful. Fighting GDI hasn't worked out for us anyway
Smartian
I'm a big fan of letting GDI the hell alone, yeah. It's been what, 9 years since the last dustup, IC? I don't think Nod's ready yet. Maybe another full Plan from now, if we get those Gana better sorted out.
FiveThirtyTwo
Guys, guys, what the fuck!? We just got GDI to front the bill for our Holy place and you want to kick off another war? Tiberium is killing us and none of you are helping us. Holding Mecca gives us legitimacy to split GDI's minority's away from them. Not that we need much help with Initiative first, but can you just give us time? GDI is coming from a very pro-west centric atheist/christianity Bent and there's plenty of room to radicalise muslims and make it so they suffer uprisings, but right now that requires Mecca not being turned into a single slab of green crystal.
CASstan
Look, we can do both. We have been rolling pretty decent on R and D and on pushing out some of the new stuff. And some of the ideas are pretty damn nuts.
StormyMist
#Osha_Inspector
We have all attacked Together on several occasions with Kane. Note the difference. With Kane. And we still lost. And you want to do this without him. You are legit crazy.
WarCrimeTime
Lol, we're about to attack and GDI goes and elects a weakling. Looks like this will be even easier than we thought. Goodbye Chicago, time to die. I wonder how many people they stuck in there
FiveThirtyTwo
I dunno about you guys, but I'd like to, you know, be that voice standing up for the oppressed, stopping people from dying of starvation, thirst and tib poisoning. But since Y'all are busy slamming the Gacha's for Das Wunderweapons we're kind of losing the middle east and the bonuses the Holy Land brings.
Firestorm_4.0
Pff the GDI is a rotten edifice ready to collapse at any moment all it needs is one push for it to all fall apart. We must attack soon before they are able to recover and lure people into their evil empire.
FiveThirtyTwo
#Firestorm_4.0 And then we'll be home by Christmas right? /s
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm_4.0
Yup. They've put on a strong front so far but the only reason they'd elect a leader that doesn't want to fight us is that they know they can't
Githeggs
Right, so that looks like consensus for war soon. I want people to vote on the go date.
[ ] Immediately
[ ] In One Year
[ ] In Two Years
[ ] In Three Years
[ ] In Four Years
Firestorm_4.0
#FiveThirtyTwo
Yes in fact I think if we launch a coordinated assault across the world we will be able to pull it off especially with the pitiful state of their navy. Their territories cut off from each other they will soon die and fall apart for the sea is the lifeblood of the gdi without it they die. Every single previous attack like this has succeeded, no reason that this one won't be just as devastating.
WonderWaffles
Guys, don't start a war just yet, I'm confident with another Plan and a half, I'll have my anti-orbital Obelisk of Annhilation up and running.
(edit)…and, too late. Great, I'm just going to get my research bases smashed again. I suppose I can get some decent fortifications ready in 4 years.
[x] In Four Years
Firestorm_4.0
[X] Immediately
WarCrimeTime
Guys, don't go immediately. We need to plan our Masterstrokes first. I have a couple of ideas for ours
[X] In Three Years
OSHA_Inspector
#Githeggs
Question.
Should I read the options as
'Start right now'
'Start 2059'
'Start 2060'
'Start 2061'
'Start 2062'?
Sea_Snek
Hm. a couple years would give a decent amount of time to prep.
[X] In Two Years
But 3 wyoud be fine, too. More torpedoes.
[X] In Three Years.
Snowstormblitz
(Yao)
If you want to be crazy that's fine but I want no part in this madness. Good luck and try not to die too hard.
Githeggs
#OSHA_Inspector
Yes, that is correct.
FiveThirtyTwo
I'm with fucking Snow. All you maniacs are forgetting how wars 1,2 and 3 went. And in point of fact there's plenty of places where you're still LOSING. This is supposed to be raiding, what we're good at, and GDI has recovered enough to have marvs rolling over bases in south america.
WarCrimeTime
#FiveThirtyTwo So we don't attack the Marv hubs directly. They can't be everywhere and when we push back GDI's borders they'll be left out in the middle of nowhere without any resupply. I doubt they'll last that long then, those things have got to be maintenance hogs. Then when they're without their fancy toys we get to show them what Peace through Power means. It means peace without them.
OSHA_Inspector
#FiveThirtyTwo
I'm quite sure you can make a good argument that it's GDI's fault Mecca got eaten by tiberium. It's not as if GDI's any good at convincing its own people. And the Caravanserai have been able stewards so far.
And besides, South America shouldn't have been such chumps. We had a perfect opportunity with the mess that was the Yellow Zone MARV hub, and they squandered it.
[X] In Two Years
[X] In Three Years
[X] In Four Years
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
Give us a bit of time to teach the Caravan guys what side they should be on, and why you don't join with the enemy. Then it'll be time to shoot down a few eagles
[X] In Three Years
FiveThirtyTwo
Guys, guys, decades between war 1 and 2, decades between 2 and 3. KW shows some *minor* skirmishing and special ops basically directly at Kanes Command. But you want to go toe to toe to GDI. That's what favours them. Hiding in the shadows and kidnapping scientists to help Kanes superweapons is what we need to do. I've argued we need to slow down the raiding.
Nevermind GDI. Some of us are losing the war to Tiberium.
Time and time again. Post Cabal, Alliance with GDI to fight the aliens and you maniacs nuke GDI while we're getting murdered by literal aliens.
FlyingGoblin
Go go go GOGOGO! I'mma splash some birdies!
[x]Immediately
Ganaman
[X] In three years
Right now, a lot of the Research is done, development is ongoing, but we need a bit of time before we start killing birdies in job lots. The gana are going to be a gamechanger, and we will need all of them we can get.
Prophetsspeaker
I'll need a bit of time to get everyone ready to go, factories are still tooling up, but it's definitely time to knock some eagles down to Earth.
[X] In Three Years
Firestorm_4.0
#FiveThirtyTwo
Tiberium is all what NOD about we are not at war with it and that kind of attitude toward it will have us never achieve synthesis with it
FiveThirtyTwo
Dammit where's the "In 20 years option?" 4 Years is far too short if we're doing this at all.
ObviousInOpsPlant(Not actually inops)
I'm going to need some time to spread my disinformation properly - 3 or 4 years would be best.
[X] In Three Years
[X] In Four Years
TheBobbiestBob
Right, i figure with a peacenik in charge GDI's military is gonna keep getting weaker, especially if they want to shunt a bunch of them into the red zones. Meanwhile we have some rather fun things for their air force to try to deal with. I'd wish them luck but nah, fuck 'em
[X] In Three Years
(Changed vote to remove the 4 year one on further thought)
OSHA_Inspector
Say… anybody know the progress with the Gana? With everybody scrapping the cyborg plans after Kane's Wrath we need a replacement for a solution to our infantry issues, and proliferating Gana tech would go a long way towards helping us deal with the fact that we can't rely on masses of militia to bulk out our militaries anymore.
Just toss shit tons of cybered up animals at GDI's lines. They'll love it.
Sea_Snek
#OSHA_Inspector I'm seeing about getting some of the squiddies, those critters are nifty. Not really sure what the timeline on growing them in bulk is, though.
WarCrimeTime
I still want to do the new scorpion development at some point with the grabby claws. See if our guys can grab some Zone Raiders for, heh, 'recruitment'
Smartian
[X] In Four Years
This is still a bad idea.
Vlad_the_Impala
[X] In Two Years
We need to consider GDI's frankly baffling economic cycles! For the next year or so, they're gonna be taking all their development cash away from their central economic development agency, so we shouldn't see any major military projects in that time while they scramble to build up their economy more. Two years does let them build some minor projects, but it also means they'll have stretched their economy to what we might call 'maximum overreach'. #Sea_Snek, can't you put together some kind of raiding program to send their transport capacity into sudden paralysis?
HisDarkGrasp
#Smartian So sorry that you can't manage getting ready to do what we're meant to be ready for. T.T
[X] In Three Years
Vlad the Impala
#HisDarkGrasp Please move that vote up, three years is too long. We'll get distracted and off task, and you let GDI have way too much breathing room to get up to steam. With three years prep time, they might roll out some extreme bullshit and have it ready to meet us. Year 3 of their plans is when they have enough money to dethrone god and their military spending will spike.
#FiveThirtyTwo, I respect you and your position but we can't wait 40 years for this. You're gonna lose Mecca, that's just…facts now. We're gonna lose the entire earth in 30-40 years, or have you not been following the mutation-projections on the chat?
Smartian
#HisDarkGrasp so sorry that you feel the need to be an ass to people on the same team as you, I just want more time to prep!
HisDarkGrasp
That's exactly why I chose 3 years - it's the best balance between being ready and not giving too much time for GDI to fix their issues if they actually get a clue.
TechCrunch
[X] In Five Years
I know there isn't a 5 year option, But we need the time for Technology and Infa crunch to approach GDI own if we are ever going to Cripple them. MARV hub alone poses too Much of a resource drain and Slugfest that will slow us from Striking their Blue zone Industrial heart, not to mention all the fortress town. If we can't blitz them in 2-3 turns the birb will Buried us under their Yellow tinted Steel. We can set them back by a chunk yes, but without 5 year spooling time we can't really cripple them, Like most would've wanted. Also think of all the technology integration we could do in 5 year!!!
KaneFan!!
[X] In Two Years
I think that two years would be good for us as the GDI enonomy will be streched to the max and wo will be able to get some good tech to our followers. But i will also do three years [X] In Three Years
TheBobbiestBob
Look, I can guarantee GDI won't be expecting what we're gonna have ready. We can get some done in 3 years, more in 4 but that leads to a greater risk of GDI finding a weird way of countering them. Hell, maybe nukes, idk. I'm now thinking it's 3 years that hits the sweet spot between us preparing and GDI pulling out a countermeasure.
WarCrimeTime
I can't wait to see what Kane's response will be, coming out of his tower and finding out we've just hammered GDI to the point where their commanders are sat crying in their bunkers. Hell, I know Canon involved him teaming up with them but I'm pretty sure we can make it so we take out GDI ourselves and then build the TCN for him. Pretty sure the India lot are working on something about that. Goats eating tib or something?
Firestorm_4.0
He will be overjoyed by what we have done which will result in him giving us a load of useful tech as a reward. We will do amazing too so much he might get started on some major projects that require more industrial power. I will also note whenever kane returns we go to war with the GDI the sooner we go to war and crush them, the more headpats we get!
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
#Firestorm_4.0 I wonder if we can repeat the whole Nuke the entire GDI leadership in orbit thing. Leave them leaderless and panicking, send the shadow teams to cause even more confusion. Then hammer GDI on all fronts, nuke their cities,nuke the Caravan lot for siding with GDI, and once they're good and gone we can see which of us did the best and gets to lead. At Kane's right hand of course
Firestorm_4.0
If Krukov project goes well I think we got a good shot at that
WonderWaffles
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky I've been working on something that should be able to do that, but there's no way it would be ready in time, even if we go for 4 years. So, now I have to pivot away from the research and teching up I was planning on, because some people can't keep their warboner in their pants.
Firestorm_4
#WonderWaffles
We are pursuing the optimal strategy to free the world from the GDI, get headpats, get cool goodies and secure NOD victory over the GDI. We do not have a warboner, we just don't have a research boner.
TheBobbiestBob
#Firestorm_4.0 Spoilers, we don't want to ruin the surprise for people
#WonderWaffles The Perfect is the enemy of the Good, remember that
VerySoberElf
[X] Immediately
[X] In One Year
Guys, if we're going to hit them, we need to hit them right away. We have word from GM that GDI is spending a shitton on their military. Like, conquer the world levels of spending. If we dawdle, they're going to bulk up enough to absorb our sneak attack and fucking pound us a la 3rd Tiberium War.
Firestorm_4.0
Echoing what #VerySoberElf said every day we don't attack the GDI is a day they get stronger and stronger we need to attack yesterday!
WarCrimeTime
#VerySoberElf #Firestorm_4.0 Except they've just voted for an anti war hippie of a director who's gonna cut the funding to the military so she can hand out toys to orphans or some shit like that.
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime I don't know the treasury is now one of the supreme powers of the GDI and they have been obsessed with the military and it does not show signs of stopping.
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm_4.0 Eh, they were doing it while Granger was telling them to (The director one not the treasury one). Before then they basically only funded the bare minimum and focused almost entirely on the Tib.
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime nah we touched their precious tib glacier mine that, what got them so riled up.
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm 4.0 They've probably gotten over that by now, it's been years. Besides, the director gives the orders and they're gonna be getting too much to fund in things like aid (that we can yoink) and space and shit like that
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime you underestimate the power of spite
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm_4.0 Maybe, but come on. They're not us
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime true they don't understand the power of spite
TheBobbiestBob
They should have listened to Sidious
"Let the hate flow through you"
WonderWaffles
#Firestorm_4.0 Yeah, "optimal strategy". Riiiiight. Also, you're saying GDI can do better than we can with half the population? Insert heresy.jpg
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
Yeah, last time someone thought GDI could do better than us their son suffered a little 'accident' at their wedding. Such a shame, apparently they were a pretty good heir before they were spread all over the highway with their lovely wife
Firestorm_4.0
We needed to send a message
#WonderWaffles GDI is a dangerous menace who we have had to use all our resources to contain them before, it be wise to not underestimate them
Snowstormblitz
(Yao)
Imagine thinking that you can do what Kane himself could not. The audacity astounds me. Is this another Italy incident? I feel like it's Italy again. Granger basically has given them an economy to go to war. We can't fight them. Either wait for Kane or keep shit peaceful. I honestly just feel for the Caravanserais. They have kept the peace so well
Nod_Forever
#Snowstormblitz Jesus the GDI ain't god or anything. They aren't invincible, this is just fear mongering that sabotages us from within by acting like we will always lose to almighty GDI.
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
#Snowstormblitz 'Do what Kane himself could not' Pah, Kane had a plan he followed and GDI got weaker and weaker. This is all part of His plan. Remember, if you sit out of this like a coward we'll be coming for you next. As for the Caravan lot, their 'keeping the peace' looks a lot like treason from where I'm sat. We don't work with GDI, they're evil. We wipe them and their sympathisers from the world in order to make a better one under Kane. That's what Peace through Power means.
Nod_Forever
We can't expect Kane to do all the work too
Snowstormblitz
#Nod_Forever
You are assuming fear mongering but I'd like to point out that as much as we are an opaque wall to them. They are to us as well. They have constantly purged mine and your operatives on a monthly basis. We know that they have invested quite a lot into the military and you are talking about waging a 5 front war against the unholy child of the worlds strongest governments without Kane. How many times does Gideon have to be spanked for us to understand that it's not the same beast.
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
Don't talk rhetoric to me. I was there when it was written. The GDI has gotten weaker and would have continued to do so but someone (Kovacs curse her fucking name) gave them the miracle drug to make a crazy economy. As for the threat? Come at me. I have started it here and I will go down swinging taking every fucker who comes with me to the afterlife. Also traitors? Because they prioritize their holy spaces? Kane does not ask us to choose one god over the other. Kane would be on their side for protecting their holy spaces and their futures rather than throwing their cultures away.
TheBobbiestBob
#Snowstormblitz
A 5 front war that GDI won't see coming. We have the advantage of knowing exactly where and when we're striking, we can plan for the various problems that come with this and prepare for them. GDI will be caught flat footed having not seen it coming. As for Gideon getting spanked, well that's Gideon lol. More seriously we're not gonna sit on our hands for the next few years, that's years of prep for a war that GDI doesn't get because they're too focused on shit like 'high quality housing' and 'food quality'.
The Caravanaserai aren't traitors because they want to protect their holy spaces, that's fair enough. Teaming up with GDI to do so however? I mean, I think the Mehretu lot went too far but you gotta admit that was pretty sus.
Snowstormblitz
#TheBobbiestBob
Mehretu literally murdered the heir they spend a better chunk of the game creating. I remember the first time he showed up. He was fucking perfect for that region. And then they killed him as a fucking message. Also who else were they going to ask for help to protect their holy spaces? We would gladly put a bomb in the Mecca just to fuck with them. In fact I'm pretty sure someone actually suggested that
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
#Snowstormblitz Yes we did and it was fucking hilarious
The message needed sending that you don't side with GDI, and the message had to hurt. The next time they try and pull something like that we're not gonna be as restrained.
As for putting a bomb in the Mecca just to fuck with them? I mean, if they'd not sided with GDI to build it there'd be no need for a bomb or anything like that. Let's face it, the Mecca they have now is tainted, maybe it needs a tib bomb or something similar next time they side with GDI. For now though we'll leave them be as long as they remember their place. They're supposed to be Nod, not simpering traitors feeding from GDI's scraps.
Snowstormblitz
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
All you have done is create division where it wasn't not needed. We have worked alongside with the GDI in the past. When the Scrin fell from the sky and invaders from the stars came we fought them side by side…with a little backstabbing admittedly. For the greater good we have always joined hands with the GDI. Many of us accept food from the GDI because we can't grow it in our territory(well except maybe India but who knows what the fuck is up with that). Mecca would have been another such co-operation. For the greater good.
TheBobbiestBob
#Snowstormblitz I mean, a giant alien invasion trying to wipe us out is kinda a special circumstance. As for accepting food, if GDI wants to keep helping us build up our strength to kill them with then that's their mistake to make. Mecca was different, it was inviting GDI into their most sacred places and then not kicking them out afterwards but having them reside there as guests. I understand why they did it but it does look dodgy.
Puff-the-Dragon
[X] In Three Years
Time enough to finish the air fleet, then we can advance on Murmansk. Secure a corridor there, and we can relieve Reynaldo.
I can't wait to show 'em the real meaning of 'heavy metal.'
Snowstormblitz
I will say one last thing on this matter. I hope that with all these plan that you don't choke on your ambitions. On second thought no. I hope you all have interesting times during your campaign. As for the Caravanserais, you have my sorrow. I know it was a lot of work put into that boy of yours.
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
A lot of work went into that heir. Finding the schedule, picking the explosive device, building the fuse, bribing the maintenance guy, etc.
Oh, and the cleanup. I imagine scraping the pieces of him up took a lot of work too
Sea_Snek
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky Wow. I know that there's a certain amount of infighting and competition expected… but you might just find a mutated candiru fish in your toilet, if you keep gloating that way. Not me, that's not my style, but… that's a bit much.
Nod_Forever
Fuck it calling in a #mod to get this insanity to stop
OSHA_Inspector
There were ways to send a message to the Caravanserai that didn't require killing the heir. Nor was it required to kill him in the way it was done, at the time it was done. The South Africa group's take over of West and North Africa does not excuse the absolute mess they've made in the Middle East.
That place has historically been a very contentious place, and this didn't help. As I said before, if they wanted to make the Caravanserai group stop courting GDI, hitting GDI operations, personnel and contacts would've been far more effective.
AzureBlade
These things have a way of coming back around. Don't worry, I'm sure we'll find something new to work with.
YAAARRRRR!
Sorry, was afk. War, hmmm? Sounds fun.
[X] In Three Years
You'll see why.
Githeggs
Dudes, please, I go away for a weekend, and you start resorting to personal attacks. This is supposed to be fun. Not breaking out the knives over every little thing.
Githeggs
2058 Situation
The Initiative has new leadership in the form of Seo Thoki for the Treasury and Director Emilana Litvinov.
Seo is a bit of a mad scientist, one of the first to work heavily on Granger's glacier mines, and advocates for a wide array of social and political programs. Director Litvinov is a return to GDI's old priorities. Loathing war, she seeks to return GDI's welfare spending levels to the heights of the 2040s, and with Seo on her side she may well do so by diving deep into the Red Zones and carving out new towns and cities with the materials made possible by tiberium.
On December 1 2057, in a closely run campaign, Emiliana Litvinov won her seat as director of the Global Defense Initiative, and in a surprise turnaround, selected Arthur Hackett, her main opposition, as the Deputy Director. While the two are unlikely to make a particularly strong pairing, they are likely to be stable, with one representing each wing of the Initiative's political spectrum.
Part of Litvinov's victory came from Bennett dropping out of the race and endorsing her. While Bennett will retain his position as Secretary of Archives and History, this is likely the end of his broader political ambitions. It is expected that Litvinov will be supporting many of his positions and goals, especially as they overlap her own.
The most surprising result was actually for Harrison Carter, who severely underperformed expectations, primarily due to going out of his way to reject the support of the Initiative First party, and went so far as to publicly reject the endorsements of the few who did offer their support. Beyond that, he published multiple direct policy positions that would offer broader support to Yellow Zone populations, including direct evacuation plans that gave the Terminus Cities the same evacuation priorities as Blue Zone assets
AzureBlade
Well, that's better than I was worried things would end up. They don't seem likely to renege on our existing arrangement, though Hackett being on board scares the hell out of me; maybe we can finally get some proper abatement going. It'd be nice to push the Red all the way off the peninsula.
OSHA_Inspector
… Whyever would we do that?
If the 2050's have shown us one thing it's that GDI is weak and severely underfunding its military. What we should do is prepare for a major worldwide offensive in a couple of years. Prepare the new weapon systems, India is doing some wonderful stuff with their cyborgs, and there is a number of promising answers to GDI's ablative plating nonsense.
We may be able to knock GDI on its arse again if we do this right, and leave them permanently unable to do much.
Sea_Snek
Their navy is underfunded at least. Although the new cruisers are pretty badass individually, they don't have enough of them. But I dunno if you really want to poke them that hard. Remember what happened after Italy.
AzureBlade
#OSHA_Inspector …You do recall that's been tried already, right? And it's failed, every time?
OSHA_Inspector
… You realize that that was single factions trying to batter at GDI? Of course that didn't go so well, GDI can just reinforce from across the world. We can't do that so of course GDI hit back hard. That's why we need to hit GDI together. Make them engage in too many theaters to be able to concentrate force.
Vlad_The_Impala
I think we could focus on building up but letting them over-extend again with all the red zone hardware and mines. If they draw enough of their economy from regions we can easily scissor off then we can just…let them feed and grow fat on that. Red zone raiding isn't the most profitable action anyways, but if we time it right we might trigger a broader economic collapse.
Imperial_Assertion
(Gideon)
We can't beat GDI alone, but each attack we have made has pushed them back and made them struggle. If we put in coordinated effort, that should be enough to make things fall in our favor.
OSHA_Inspector
#Vlad_The_Impala
Well, we need to build up first, and if Italy was a hint, it's likely GDI is going to delve deep into the RZs for money for the next few years at minimum. By the time they're ready to pivot towards Litvinov's agenda and start spending the bounty from those costly Red Zone operations we'll be right where we need to be to cut them off.
And I don't think they'll spend money on Red Zone military stuff. They'll think it's all good.
#Imperial_Assertion
Exactly.
SnowstormBlitz
(Yao)
That's good. No one is going to attack with those two. We can continue to build up and maybe it will be peaceful. Fighting GDI hasn't worked out for us anyway
Smartian
I'm a big fan of letting GDI the hell alone, yeah. It's been what, 9 years since the last dustup, IC? I don't think Nod's ready yet. Maybe another full Plan from now, if we get those Gana better sorted out.
FiveThirtyTwo
Guys, guys, what the fuck!? We just got GDI to front the bill for our Holy place and you want to kick off another war? Tiberium is killing us and none of you are helping us. Holding Mecca gives us legitimacy to split GDI's minority's away from them. Not that we need much help with Initiative first, but can you just give us time? GDI is coming from a very pro-west centric atheist/christianity Bent and there's plenty of room to radicalise muslims and make it so they suffer uprisings, but right now that requires Mecca not being turned into a single slab of green crystal.
CASstan
Look, we can do both. We have been rolling pretty decent on R and D and on pushing out some of the new stuff. And some of the ideas are pretty damn nuts.
StormyMist
#Osha_Inspector
We have all attacked Together on several occasions with Kane. Note the difference. With Kane. And we still lost. And you want to do this without him. You are legit crazy.
WarCrimeTime
Lol, we're about to attack and GDI goes and elects a weakling. Looks like this will be even easier than we thought. Goodbye Chicago, time to die. I wonder how many people they stuck in there
FiveThirtyTwo
I dunno about you guys, but I'd like to, you know, be that voice standing up for the oppressed, stopping people from dying of starvation, thirst and tib poisoning. But since Y'all are busy slamming the Gacha's for Das Wunderweapons we're kind of losing the middle east and the bonuses the Holy Land brings.
Firestorm_4.0
Pff the GDI is a rotten edifice ready to collapse at any moment all it needs is one push for it to all fall apart. We must attack soon before they are able to recover and lure people into their evil empire.
FiveThirtyTwo
#Firestorm_4.0 And then we'll be home by Christmas right? /s
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm_4.0
Yup. They've put on a strong front so far but the only reason they'd elect a leader that doesn't want to fight us is that they know they can't
Githeggs
Right, so that looks like consensus for war soon. I want people to vote on the go date.
[ ] Immediately
[ ] In One Year
[ ] In Two Years
[ ] In Three Years
[ ] In Four Years
Firestorm_4.0
#FiveThirtyTwo
Yes in fact I think if we launch a coordinated assault across the world we will be able to pull it off especially with the pitiful state of their navy. Their territories cut off from each other they will soon die and fall apart for the sea is the lifeblood of the gdi without it they die. Every single previous attack like this has succeeded, no reason that this one won't be just as devastating.
WonderWaffles
Guys, don't start a war just yet, I'm confident with another Plan and a half, I'll have my anti-orbital Obelisk of Annhilation up and running.
(edit)…and, too late. Great, I'm just going to get my research bases smashed again. I suppose I can get some decent fortifications ready in 4 years.
[x] In Four Years
Firestorm_4.0
[X] Immediately
WarCrimeTime
Guys, don't go immediately. We need to plan our Masterstrokes first. I have a couple of ideas for ours
[X] In Three Years
OSHA_Inspector
#Githeggs
Question.
Should I read the options as
'Start right now'
'Start 2059'
'Start 2060'
'Start 2061'
'Start 2062'?
Sea_Snek
Hm. a couple years would give a decent amount of time to prep.
[X] In Two Years
But 3 wyoud be fine, too. More torpedoes.
[X] In Three Years.
Snowstormblitz
(Yao)
If you want to be crazy that's fine but I want no part in this madness. Good luck and try not to die too hard.
Githeggs
#OSHA_Inspector
Yes, that is correct.
FiveThirtyTwo
I'm with fucking Snow. All you maniacs are forgetting how wars 1,2 and 3 went. And in point of fact there's plenty of places where you're still LOSING. This is supposed to be raiding, what we're good at, and GDI has recovered enough to have marvs rolling over bases in south america.
WarCrimeTime
#FiveThirtyTwo So we don't attack the Marv hubs directly. They can't be everywhere and when we push back GDI's borders they'll be left out in the middle of nowhere without any resupply. I doubt they'll last that long then, those things have got to be maintenance hogs. Then when they're without their fancy toys we get to show them what Peace through Power means. It means peace without them.
OSHA_Inspector
#FiveThirtyTwo
I'm quite sure you can make a good argument that it's GDI's fault Mecca got eaten by tiberium. It's not as if GDI's any good at convincing its own people. And the Caravanserai have been able stewards so far.
And besides, South America shouldn't have been such chumps. We had a perfect opportunity with the mess that was the Yellow Zone MARV hub, and they squandered it.
[X] In Two Years
[X] In Three Years
[X] In Four Years
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
Give us a bit of time to teach the Caravan guys what side they should be on, and why you don't join with the enemy. Then it'll be time to shoot down a few eagles
[X] In Three Years
FiveThirtyTwo
Guys, guys, decades between war 1 and 2, decades between 2 and 3. KW shows some *minor* skirmishing and special ops basically directly at Kanes Command. But you want to go toe to toe to GDI. That's what favours them. Hiding in the shadows and kidnapping scientists to help Kanes superweapons is what we need to do. I've argued we need to slow down the raiding.
Nevermind GDI. Some of us are losing the war to Tiberium.
Time and time again. Post Cabal, Alliance with GDI to fight the aliens and you maniacs nuke GDI while we're getting murdered by literal aliens.
FlyingGoblin
Go go go GOGOGO! I'mma splash some birdies!
[x]Immediately
Ganaman
[X] In three years
Right now, a lot of the Research is done, development is ongoing, but we need a bit of time before we start killing birdies in job lots. The gana are going to be a gamechanger, and we will need all of them we can get.
Prophetsspeaker
I'll need a bit of time to get everyone ready to go, factories are still tooling up, but it's definitely time to knock some eagles down to Earth.
[X] In Three Years
Firestorm_4.0
#FiveThirtyTwo
Tiberium is all what NOD about we are not at war with it and that kind of attitude toward it will have us never achieve synthesis with it
FiveThirtyTwo
Dammit where's the "In 20 years option?" 4 Years is far too short if we're doing this at all.
ObviousInOpsPlant(Not actually inops)
I'm going to need some time to spread my disinformation properly - 3 or 4 years would be best.
[X] In Three Years
[X] In Four Years
TheBobbiestBob
Right, i figure with a peacenik in charge GDI's military is gonna keep getting weaker, especially if they want to shunt a bunch of them into the red zones. Meanwhile we have some rather fun things for their air force to try to deal with. I'd wish them luck but nah, fuck 'em
[X] In Three Years
(Changed vote to remove the 4 year one on further thought)
OSHA_Inspector
Say… anybody know the progress with the Gana? With everybody scrapping the cyborg plans after Kane's Wrath we need a replacement for a solution to our infantry issues, and proliferating Gana tech would go a long way towards helping us deal with the fact that we can't rely on masses of militia to bulk out our militaries anymore.
Just toss shit tons of cybered up animals at GDI's lines. They'll love it.
Sea_Snek
#OSHA_Inspector I'm seeing about getting some of the squiddies, those critters are nifty. Not really sure what the timeline on growing them in bulk is, though.
WarCrimeTime
I still want to do the new scorpion development at some point with the grabby claws. See if our guys can grab some Zone Raiders for, heh, 'recruitment'
Smartian
[X] In Four Years
This is still a bad idea.
Vlad_the_Impala
[X] In Two Years
We need to consider GDI's frankly baffling economic cycles! For the next year or so, they're gonna be taking all their development cash away from their central economic development agency, so we shouldn't see any major military projects in that time while they scramble to build up their economy more. Two years does let them build some minor projects, but it also means they'll have stretched their economy to what we might call 'maximum overreach'. #Sea_Snek, can't you put together some kind of raiding program to send their transport capacity into sudden paralysis?
HisDarkGrasp
#Smartian So sorry that you can't manage getting ready to do what we're meant to be ready for. T.T
[X] In Three Years
Vlad the Impala
#HisDarkGrasp Please move that vote up, three years is too long. We'll get distracted and off task, and you let GDI have way too much breathing room to get up to steam. With three years prep time, they might roll out some extreme bullshit and have it ready to meet us. Year 3 of their plans is when they have enough money to dethrone god and their military spending will spike.
#FiveThirtyTwo, I respect you and your position but we can't wait 40 years for this. You're gonna lose Mecca, that's just…facts now. We're gonna lose the entire earth in 30-40 years, or have you not been following the mutation-projections on the chat?
Smartian
#HisDarkGrasp so sorry that you feel the need to be an ass to people on the same team as you, I just want more time to prep!
HisDarkGrasp
That's exactly why I chose 3 years - it's the best balance between being ready and not giving too much time for GDI to fix their issues if they actually get a clue.
TechCrunch
[X] In Five Years
I know there isn't a 5 year option, But we need the time for Technology and Infa crunch to approach GDI own if we are ever going to Cripple them. MARV hub alone poses too Much of a resource drain and Slugfest that will slow us from Striking their Blue zone Industrial heart, not to mention all the fortress town. If we can't blitz them in 2-3 turns the birb will Buried us under their Yellow tinted Steel. We can set them back by a chunk yes, but without 5 year spooling time we can't really cripple them, Like most would've wanted. Also think of all the technology integration we could do in 5 year!!!
KaneFan!!
[X] In Two Years
I think that two years would be good for us as the GDI enonomy will be streched to the max and wo will be able to get some good tech to our followers. But i will also do three years [X] In Three Years
TheBobbiestBob
Look, I can guarantee GDI won't be expecting what we're gonna have ready. We can get some done in 3 years, more in 4 but that leads to a greater risk of GDI finding a weird way of countering them. Hell, maybe nukes, idk. I'm now thinking it's 3 years that hits the sweet spot between us preparing and GDI pulling out a countermeasure.
WarCrimeTime
I can't wait to see what Kane's response will be, coming out of his tower and finding out we've just hammered GDI to the point where their commanders are sat crying in their bunkers. Hell, I know Canon involved him teaming up with them but I'm pretty sure we can make it so we take out GDI ourselves and then build the TCN for him. Pretty sure the India lot are working on something about that. Goats eating tib or something?
Firestorm_4.0
He will be overjoyed by what we have done which will result in him giving us a load of useful tech as a reward. We will do amazing too so much he might get started on some major projects that require more industrial power. I will also note whenever kane returns we go to war with the GDI the sooner we go to war and crush them, the more headpats we get!
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
#Firestorm_4.0 I wonder if we can repeat the whole Nuke the entire GDI leadership in orbit thing. Leave them leaderless and panicking, send the shadow teams to cause even more confusion. Then hammer GDI on all fronts, nuke their cities,
Firestorm_4.0
If Krukov project goes well I think we got a good shot at that
WonderWaffles
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky I've been working on something that should be able to do that, but there's no way it would be ready in time, even if we go for 4 years. So, now I have to pivot away from the research and teching up I was planning on, because some people can't keep their warboner in their pants.
Firestorm_4
#WonderWaffles
We are pursuing the optimal strategy to free the world from the GDI, get headpats, get cool goodies and secure NOD victory over the GDI. We do not have a warboner, we just don't have a research boner.
TheBobbiestBob
#Firestorm_4.0 Spoilers, we don't want to ruin the surprise for people
#WonderWaffles The Perfect is the enemy of the Good, remember that
VerySoberElf
[X] Immediately
[X] In One Year
Guys, if we're going to hit them, we need to hit them right away. We have word from GM that GDI is spending a shitton on their military. Like, conquer the world levels of spending. If we dawdle, they're going to bulk up enough to absorb our sneak attack and fucking pound us a la 3rd Tiberium War.
Firestorm_4.0
Echoing what #VerySoberElf said every day we don't attack the GDI is a day they get stronger and stronger we need to attack yesterday!
WarCrimeTime
#VerySoberElf #Firestorm_4.0 Except they've just voted for an anti war hippie of a director who's gonna cut the funding to the military so she can hand out toys to orphans or some shit like that.
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime I don't know the treasury is now one of the supreme powers of the GDI and they have been obsessed with the military and it does not show signs of stopping.
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm_4.0 Eh, they were doing it while Granger was telling them to (The director one not the treasury one). Before then they basically only funded the bare minimum and focused almost entirely on the Tib.
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime nah we touched their precious tib glacier mine that, what got them so riled up.
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm 4.0 They've probably gotten over that by now, it's been years. Besides, the director gives the orders and they're gonna be getting too much to fund in things like aid (that we can yoink) and space and shit like that
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime you underestimate the power of spite
WarCrimeTime
#Firestorm_4.0 Maybe, but come on. They're not us
Firestorm_4.0
#WarCrimeTime true they don't understand the power of spite
TheBobbiestBob
They should have listened to Sidious
"Let the hate flow through you"
WonderWaffles
#Firestorm_4.0 Yeah, "optimal strategy". Riiiiight. Also, you're saying GDI can do better than we can with half the population? Insert heresy.jpg
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
Yeah, last time someone thought GDI could do better than us their son suffered a little 'accident' at their wedding. Such a shame, apparently they were a pretty good heir before they were spread all over the highway with their lovely wife
Firestorm_4.0
We needed to send a message
#WonderWaffles GDI is a dangerous menace who we have had to use all our resources to contain them before, it be wise to not underestimate them
Snowstormblitz
(Yao)
Imagine thinking that you can do what Kane himself could not. The audacity astounds me. Is this another Italy incident? I feel like it's Italy again. Granger basically has given them an economy to go to war. We can't fight them. Either wait for Kane or keep shit peaceful. I honestly just feel for the Caravanserais. They have kept the peace so well
Nod_Forever
#Snowstormblitz Jesus the GDI ain't god or anything. They aren't invincible, this is just fear mongering that sabotages us from within by acting like we will always lose to almighty GDI.
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
#Snowstormblitz 'Do what Kane himself could not' Pah, Kane had a plan he followed and GDI got weaker and weaker. This is all part of His plan. Remember, if you sit out of this like a coward we'll be coming for you next. As for the Caravan lot, their 'keeping the peace' looks a lot like treason from where I'm sat. We don't work with GDI, they're evil. We wipe them and their sympathisers from the world in order to make a better one under Kane. That's what Peace through Power means.
Nod_Forever
We can't expect Kane to do all the work too
Snowstormblitz
#Nod_Forever
You are assuming fear mongering but I'd like to point out that as much as we are an opaque wall to them. They are to us as well. They have constantly purged mine and your operatives on a monthly basis. We know that they have invested quite a lot into the military and you are talking about waging a 5 front war against the unholy child of the worlds strongest governments without Kane. How many times does Gideon have to be spanked for us to understand that it's not the same beast.
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
Don't talk rhetoric to me. I was there when it was written. The GDI has gotten weaker and would have continued to do so but someone (Kovacs curse her fucking name) gave them the miracle drug to make a crazy economy. As for the threat? Come at me. I have started it here and I will go down swinging taking every fucker who comes with me to the afterlife. Also traitors? Because they prioritize their holy spaces? Kane does not ask us to choose one god over the other. Kane would be on their side for protecting their holy spaces and their futures rather than throwing their cultures away.
TheBobbiestBob
#Snowstormblitz
A 5 front war that GDI won't see coming. We have the advantage of knowing exactly where and when we're striking, we can plan for the various problems that come with this and prepare for them. GDI will be caught flat footed having not seen it coming. As for Gideon getting spanked, well that's Gideon lol. More seriously we're not gonna sit on our hands for the next few years, that's years of prep for a war that GDI doesn't get because they're too focused on shit like 'high quality housing' and 'food quality'.
The Caravanaserai aren't traitors because they want to protect their holy spaces, that's fair enough. Teaming up with GDI to do so however? I mean, I think the Mehretu lot went too far but you gotta admit that was pretty sus.
Snowstormblitz
#TheBobbiestBob
Mehretu literally murdered the heir they spend a better chunk of the game creating. I remember the first time he showed up. He was fucking perfect for that region. And then they killed him as a fucking message. Also who else were they going to ask for help to protect their holy spaces? We would gladly put a bomb in the Mecca just to fuck with them. In fact I'm pretty sure someone actually suggested that
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
#Snowstormblitz Yes we did and it was fucking hilarious
The message needed sending that you don't side with GDI, and the message had to hurt. The next time they try and pull something like that we're not gonna be as restrained.
As for putting a bomb in the Mecca just to fuck with them? I mean, if they'd not sided with GDI to build it there'd be no need for a bomb or anything like that. Let's face it, the Mecca they have now is tainted, maybe it needs a tib bomb or something similar next time they side with GDI. For now though we'll leave them be as long as they remember their place. They're supposed to be Nod, not simpering traitors feeding from GDI's scraps.
Snowstormblitz
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
All you have done is create division where it wasn't not needed. We have worked alongside with the GDI in the past. When the Scrin fell from the sky and invaders from the stars came we fought them side by side…with a little backstabbing admittedly. For the greater good we have always joined hands with the GDI. Many of us accept food from the GDI because we can't grow it in our territory(well except maybe India but who knows what the fuck is up with that). Mecca would have been another such co-operation. For the greater good.
TheBobbiestBob
#Snowstormblitz I mean, a giant alien invasion trying to wipe us out is kinda a special circumstance. As for accepting food, if GDI wants to keep helping us build up our strength to kill them with then that's their mistake to make. Mecca was different, it was inviting GDI into their most sacred places and then not kicking them out afterwards but having them reside there as guests. I understand why they did it but it does look dodgy.
Puff-the-Dragon
[X] In Three Years
Time enough to finish the air fleet, then we can advance on Murmansk. Secure a corridor there, and we can relieve Reynaldo.
I can't wait to show 'em the real meaning of 'heavy metal.'
Snowstormblitz
I will say one last thing on this matter. I hope that with all these plan that you don't choke on your ambitions. On second thought no. I hope you all have interesting times during your campaign. As for the Caravanserais, you have my sorrow. I know it was a lot of work put into that boy of yours.
SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky
A lot of work went into that heir. Finding the schedule, picking the explosive device, building the fuse, bribing the maintenance guy, etc.
Oh, and the cleanup. I imagine scraping the pieces of him up took a lot of work too
Sea_Snek
#SneakysneakyknifetheBeaky Wow. I know that there's a certain amount of infighting and competition expected… but you might just find a mutated candiru fish in your toilet, if you keep gloating that way. Not me, that's not my style, but… that's a bit much.
Nod_Forever
Fuck it calling in a #mod to get this insanity to stop
OSHA_Inspector
There were ways to send a message to the Caravanserai that didn't require killing the heir. Nor was it required to kill him in the way it was done, at the time it was done. The South Africa group's take over of West and North Africa does not excuse the absolute mess they've made in the Middle East.
That place has historically been a very contentious place, and this didn't help. As I said before, if they wanted to make the Caravanserai group stop courting GDI, hitting GDI operations, personnel and contacts would've been far more effective.
AzureBlade
These things have a way of coming back around. Don't worry, I'm sure we'll find something new to work with.
YAAARRRRR!
Sorry, was afk. War, hmmm? Sounds fun.
[X] In Three Years
You'll see why.
Githeggs
Dudes, please, I go away for a weekend, and you start resorting to personal attacks. This is supposed to be fun. Not breaking out the knives over every little thing.
