It should be noted this is a quest, and just as we can crit-roll so can the enemy. For all we know Kane has been consistently high-rolling in the tacius tech table.

In canon Kane needed the TCN, but that was also a featuring a GDI in the verge of surrendering. Running on the assumption that Kane needs the network, might not be best. Given we have no idea how well(or poorly!) Kane has been rolling.

I wonder if Kane is hiding on Saturn and the tiberium field is from him mining it. It's a stretch, but also, Kane with Tacius, so..Have no idea
 
So, did GDI get pushed out of Mecca? Won't that be a huge hit on our investment and on all of our abatements rolls? I mean, hey, if these guys want to fight NOD on their own, I'm all for it, but won't that hurt our economy?

If I misunderstood, please correct me.

Second, here's to making Europe a green zone and eventual blue zone. So much art and culture destroyed by the little green rock that needs to be restored.
 
Y'all are counting Reynaldo as down and out, but here I'm worried that a drop of Kane's direct patronage may either make him the most powerful warlord of the regency conflict, or even our direct opponent when Kane's next gambit happens. For Reynaldo, Kane might not be sitting this one out. And Europe is a fairly important part of GDI.
 
So, did GDI get pushed out of Mecca? Won't that be a huge hit on our investment and on all of our abatements rolls? I mean, hey, if these guys want to fight NOD on their own, I'm all for it, but won't that hurt our economy?

If I misunderstood, please correct me.

Second, here's to making Europe a green zone and eventual blue zone. So much art and culture destroyed by the little green rock that needs to be restored.
No the GDI didn't get pushed out of Mecca. This is more, a new faction has arrived that isn't NOD or GDI. And they are, as previously mentioned, aggressively neutral.
 
So, did GDI get pushed out of Mecca? Won't that be a huge hit on our investment and on all of our abatements rolls? I mean, hey, if these guys want to fight NOD on their own, I'm all for it, but won't that hurt our economy?

If I misunderstood, please correct me.

Second, here's to making Europe a green zone and eventual blue zone. So much art and culture destroyed by the little green rock that needs to be restored.
They tolerate and welcome GDIs presence as long as we don't try to act like we own the place I think.
 
Mecca was already neutral, so it went from neutral with GDI and NOD active to neutral with GDI active and NOD pushed out.

Sure, it's not under our control but it's a net positive for us, and may hopefully inspire other NOD controlled yellow zone to start throwing them out.
 
The idea of indepndent Caravansarai state makes me so mad. We are the rightful masters of the Earth, we are the government of humanity. You join us or hide behing the scorpion. Surrendering the monopoly on legitimacy...
Well that's just an incredibly terrible take. "You're either with us or against us" is a great way of getting people to be against you. You know, sort of like Nod did by using car bombs as a message.
What the hell does "Surrendering the monopoly on legitimacy" even mean? We now have a 'neutral' party which is doing pretty much what we want them to and fucking over Nod because a warlord screwed up and you're annoyed because someone has decided to take a third option between GDI and Nod with what is essentially a tiny patch of land overall?
Look, just be peaceful with them, be friendly, eventually maybe peacefully assimilate them into the whole without any fighting or death. Far better that way and if they don't want to be assimilated? Fine. They can stay there and do their thing in Mecca while we colonise the stars, they can join us if they want to
 
My understanding is that due to a combination of GDI outreach and factions of NOD reacting to said outreach with assasinations to "bring them back in line" these two Nod Factions
The Middle Eastern Brotherhood is currently in disarray. Traditionally, they have been at the center of a series of interlocking rings of feuding ethnic, religious, and cultural groups frequently fuelled and fanned by the Brotherhood. By the end of the Third Tiberium War and the destruction of the Temple Prime however, their primary and both secondary headquarters have been destroyed. Since then, the inexorable spread of the Red Zone has put paid to every warlord attempting to make a play for power, as they have inevitably been forced to move, setting off another wave of internecine feuding as the survivors scrabble for any remaining scraps. However, there is an exception to this norm. An oasis of relative peace have formed itself, a neutral cordon between Mecca and Medina, where a combination of Neutral and loosely-aligned NOD Warlords joined forces with a task force of The Forgotten and GDI to stave off the encroaching Tiberium threat and organize what remained of the yearly Islamic pilgrimage. However, this oasis is not likely to last, as Tiberium means that the full resources of a major power is required to defend the site.
Noted Strengths: Willing to work with anyone to protect Mecca
Noted Weaknesses: Internal fighting, Few resources, Poorly equipped, Willing to work with anyone to protect Mecca

As a consequence of organizing the Mecca planned city, InOps has discovered the Caravanserai. While chiefly an organization of Arabian Warlords, the Caravanserai has tasked itself with ferrying Hajj pilgrims from all around Nod-controlled or contested areas around the world. Though previously known as a consortium of Warlords invested in the protection of Mecca, the truth– as forged camaraderie and loose lips would spill– is more than that. Though the Meccan Warlords acted as the main, if somewhat fractious, stewards of the Al-Mukarramah, they levy a considerable soft power throughout Nod spaces with varying Nod factions considering them in different light. More than not, however, their importance was considered to be that of the Red Cross in pre-Tiberium years. NOD Warlords often chip in funds and materials for Mecca in various trickles. In exchange, they are given a set quota of pilgrims per year– departing from two corners of the world as two Commanders of the Pilgrims (Umara' Al-Hajj) start their journey from both the western corner of Africa and south-eastern corner of Indonesia for a four-month trip to Mecca and back. They do this in small disparate convoys that take the pilgrims through perilous lands and landscapes, forcing them to take a slow route as the convoy picks up momentum and to ensure that the pilgrims, a great portion among them infirm or sick, are taken care of.
The extent of the Caravanserai's operations, the publicly known ones thus far, have been enlightening. Though what it will mean to the decisions of the GDI leaders remain, for now, uncertain. One thing is certain, however: GDI's attempt to influence the Caravanserai has been noted– and though most NOD Warlords outside of Mecca are liable to take a 'live and let live' attitude so long as their quota systems are kept in place- others will take a forceful stance on it.
Have essentially merged, and either gone full neutral and told all of NOD to fuck off or have told all of the warlords "we're listening to Kane, and only to Kane. Get out or die."
 
The idea of indepndent Caravansarai state makes me so mad. We are the rightful masters of the Earth, we are the government of humanity. You join us or hide behing the scorpion. Surrendering the monopoly on legitimacy...
Why does this make you mad? This is a step forward for us. They are now actually neutral, rather than enemies, and have a good chance of being pulled further into our orbit. Acting as if you really believe the old pre-TibWar3 GDI propaganda does not make sense to me.
No the GDI didn't get pushed out of Mecca. This is more, a new faction has arrived that isn't NOD or GDI. And they are, as previously mentioned, aggressively neutral.
They are as MonkeyTypewriter said a merging of two groups which were nominally NOD-aligned, and now are essentially telling Mehretu to fuck off, under the cover of "this is normal warlord politics", while de facto saying "Mecca is neutral".
 
Y'all are counting Reynaldo as down and out, but here I'm worried that a drop of Kane's direct patronage may either make him the most powerful warlord of the regency conflict, or even our direct opponent when Kane's next gambit happens. For Reynaldo, Kane might not be sitting this one out. And Europe is a fairly important part of GDI.

It's more like I expected him to go underground and be la resistencia. Not kick over the board and ask Kaine to intervene.

It's honestly a brilliant play on his part especially that it worked.
 
So, did GDI get pushed out of Mecca? Won't that be a huge hit on our investment and on all of our abatements rolls? I mean, hey, if these guys want to fight NOD on their own, I'm all for it, but won't that hurt our economy?

If I misunderstood, please correct me.

Second, here's to making Europe a green zone and eventual blue zone. So much art and culture destroyed by the little green rock that needs to be restored.
I think they've pretty much just declared that neither side gets to militarise Mecca. This screws over Nod who wanted to do that and in the meantime GDI just shrugs and says "Sure", knowing that we didn't really want to militarise it in the first place. We just want to make sure Nod doesn't get to
 
I see, they're referring to Kane as "Him." I guess Threshold-19 is the "Adversary's Throne", then, and the "unnoticed" structures were probably the result of Disruption Towers or other stealth tech. No threat to our orbital assets. Probably should have noticed that.
NGL tho, the idea of Kane hanging out in a secret NOD section of the Philaelphia II would be totally baller.
 
NGL tho, the idea of Kane hanging out in a secret NOD section of the Philaelphia II would be totally baller.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, if only because of how well the GDI is doing and it's current behavior being more aligned with his claimed ideals. Like a snake shedding its skin, Kane may have shed his previous monicker to move forward into a new dawn.
 
Y'all are counting Reynaldo as down and out, but here I'm worried that a drop of Kane's direct patronage may either make him the most powerful warlord of the regency conflict, or even our direct opponent when Kane's next gambit happens. For Reynaldo, Kane might not be sitting this one out. And Europe is a fairly important part of GDI.
At the same time, Reynaldo becoming Kane's right hand doesn't necessarily mean he prosecutes offensive operations towards GDI-Europe--it might just be that he gets whatever he needs to stop us if we go after him, and then calls a separate peace and drops out of the war to preserve Threshold 19 and Kane's only unquestionably loyal powerbase.
 
Reynaldo is the opposite of gone, he's impressed Kane enough to be granted a direct audience. Even if he doesn't walk away with any assistance that alone is a serious power move. And he probably will be walking back to Madrid with a bunch of Kane-granted bullshit, not empty handed.
 
You know, Reynaldo's done despicable things but I can't help but feel some compassion.

If nothing else because he was willing to court a horrible death, personally.

To note we still can research Accelerated Spikes it would just be unpopular, and we have done unpopular projects before. I have no doubt that Nod would love the Accelerated Spikes, it gives an econ boost. Why we are not going for such is because it spreads tiberium and we don't know how much it would increase our Resources. If it bumped our RpT up by ~100 it might very well be worth it but it could be as low as ~10, we just don't know enough about the gains of such.

@Ithillid can you give us a rough idea of the RpT increase if we get Accelerated Spikes?
I'm pretty sure the answer is much like the answer to the question "how much Energy will we get from building tiberium power plants?"

Namely: "By as much as can be, depending on just how many of the things we build, subject to the constraint that our citizenry will hate the idea and that the more of it we do, the more likely they are to demand our resignation or, in extremis, our head on a pole."

heck yeah caravanesi getting it done

also I'm glad Reynaldo peaced out since now we don't need to worry about him sabotaging something important for a while.
I mean.

The guy's smart and competent- even Kane thinks so.

Kane's probably got a use for him, and we may very well not like the use he's put to.

Ah, does this mean Reynaldo is top of the list when it comes to running Nod as Kane's right hand?
It's probably grossly premature to predict that.

Reynaldo's just proven his personal love and loyalty for Kane beyond any shadow of a doubt, at the price of putting aside whatever power base he has left and admitting personal defeat.

That's a potent combination of pluses and minuses. Maybe that's what Kane wants for his right-hand man. Then again, maybe Kane will simply make Reynaldo a lesser general within the inner circle, or do something else.

I doubt it, they'd have to take down ASAT first and while we haven't finished upgrading that yet it's still a significantly harder target to take down than it was the first time. We have control stations for it in orbit.
It should be noted that Kane might have the means to strike at the Philadelphia while bypassing ASAT.

Say, cloaked spacecraft, or a teleporter.

Lol, I never would have thought that the first knocked out warlord would be Reynaldo, and not Gideon / Atomic Shah
Gideon has territorial depth and a lot of resources; he's the big Nod boss of an entire continent. We like to mock him and we've defeated his assault forces several times, but that doesn't mean he's a weakling. If nothing else, consider the implication of the fact that he's been able to raise (and lose, and replace) armies against us 2-3 times in the space of about five years. He's nowhere near being defeated by sheer force, though it's conceivable that if he loses enough times he'll die of Nod politics. Unlikely, though, unless Kane intervenes, because Nod politics is his strength. He's a great example of how in many cases, you don't have to win to stay in a war, you just have to have the willpower to keep fighting and the ability to inspire continued willingness to fight for you.

The Atomic Shah? Al-Isfahani? I don't think we've ever taken a shot at him, and he seems to be pretty canny about taking shots at us only under special circumstances. At the rate we were going, the only thing likely to knock him out was old age.

But Reynaldo? Very little territory left, no real heavy metal at his disposal. Was always the runt of the litter, first compared to his rivals in Europe and then later to his rivals on other continents. The main reason he's even on our radar is because of that shit he pulled off against our glacier mining back in... '54, I believe it was?

Him toppling isn't a big surprise.

Yes. That is the question, isn't it? What if Kane just fucks off and doesn't give us the TCN... /doomer
Then we go to Plan B and evacuate as much of the population as we can into space before the tib gets out of hand.

[shrug]
 
From the department of "hilarious overreactions", a fake preview of potential action item from the next turn:

[] Paranoid Security Measures
{Fluff blurb about auto-turrets and electric shock traps everywhere and having to use triangle-shaped keys only accessible to one person}
0/1000 progress
Slightly reduced chance of successful nod covert attacks
Increase dice cost of all projects by 2
All existing completed projects now have a 10 Resource per Turn maintenance cost
-10 PS per turn until completed

@NickAragua You might want to identify a different minor Warlord for your sidequest.

We're about a year behind currently, so who knows where we'll be then?
 
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Will add my voice to the ones who see the happenings in Medina as a great thing for us. This is our diplomacy paying off big, a front closed before it opened and possible future stronghold of "open hand" party if it ever gets going, and I am more than ok with all of it.
 
Dude, what are you talking about? This is a great result, there is now an option between "GDI" "NOD" and "Insignificant," and they're popping up as an aggressively neutral state that's fucking up NOD but not bothering us. This is awesome and we should encourage it.
Frankly, yes.

If half Nod's actual membership peaces out into independent states, GDI can exert that much more pressure on the ones that are still Nod loyalists. And the independent states will at least stay out of the way while we continue to mitigate tiberium and clean up the world.

We don't need their loyalty or their territory, we have plenty of both. We just need them to not shoot at us while we're trying to save the world.

So, did GDI get pushed out of Mecca? Won't that be a huge hit on our investment and on all of our abatements rolls? I mean, hey, if these guys want to fight NOD on their own, I'm all for it, but won't that hurt our economy?
Given the energy and mood the Caravansarai guys seem to have, I doubt they're specifically pushing GDI out of its bases.

We may be told to get the fuck away from the actual holy sites, but us mining tiberium in the surrounding Red Zones is probably cool with them. Probably.
 
Honestly Mecca declaring neutrality should not be a concern for GDI at all, because we have enormous leverage on them should we choose to use it. They are using GDI pattern sonic fences to repel Tiberium and GDI designed Tiberium refineries and their water comes from GDI built desalination plants. While some of the parts of these can be replicated locally, I doubt they have the industrial base to fully maintain their facilities without our help. At this point they are heavily entwined with our supply networks and they would lose far more than we would if they tried to decouple themselves.

Plus, with Philly 2 complete and voting being fully extended to the Green zones, plenty of people in Mecca might like the idea of having a say in the proceedings of the largest unified government on Earth. So I doubt their declared neutrality will actually last very long, especially if we can put Nod on the back foot in the coming conflict.
 
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