Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
...and alloys will help us to finish all these projects faster.
I also just took a look into our HI plan goals:
Complete North Boston Phase 5
Complete Personal Electric Vehicle Plants
Complete 1 of Nuuk, Reykjavik, Bergen
There is only two, completing Boston and Vehicle Plants, the latter being a half done 300 points project.
The Nuuk/Reykjavik/Bergen will be fulfilled by completing Reykjavik, a LI project. We will have to renovate the fusion plants, but we do have about three years till the first power plants will begin to deteriorate, we will be able to roll out alloys by then, and alloys will also help us renovate the power plants faster and more efficiently.
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So, differences between the two leading plans:
Plan Life in Space vs Karachi Wingmen
Infr: KW +2 Dice, +65 R
HI: LiS +1 Die, +120R
LCI: KW +25R
Agr: KW +1 Die, +20R
Tib: LiS +1 Die, +20R
Orb: LiS: +2 Dice, +30R
Ser: KW +5R
Mil: KW +1 Die, +55R
Bur: KW 2 new plan targets, +10 PS.
-Promise KW: +Deploy Medium Tactical Plasma Weapons by the end of 2062
-Promise KW: +Deploy all Orca Wingman Drones before the end of this plan
Plan Life in Space vs Karachi Wingmen
| LiS Infrastructure | KW Infrastructure |
| Communal Blue Zone Arcologies +4 Dice, +60R, +26% | Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 2) +3 Dice, +75R, +82% |
| Urban Metros (Phase 4) +2 Dice, +30R, +81% | |
| Chicago Planned City (Phase 4) +1 Die, +20R, +0% | |
| LiS Heavy Industry | KW Heavy Industry |
| U Series Alloy Foundries (Phase 1) +5 Dice, +200R, +50% | Improved Continuous Cycle Fusion Development +2 Dice, 40R, +96% |
| Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development +1 Dice, +20R, +34R | |
| Chicago Planned City (Phase 4) +1 Die, +20R, +0% | |
| LiS LCI | KW LCI |
| Civilian Ultralight Factories +3 Dice, +45R, +81% | Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 5) +1 Die, +20R, +0% |
| Home Robotics Development +1 Die, +10R, +84% | Carbon Nanotube Foundry Expansions +3 Dice, +60R, +11% |
| LiS Agriculture | KW Agriculture |
| Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 5) +2 Dice, +20R, +88% | Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2) +1 Die, +15R, +0% |
| Poulticeplant Development +1 Die, +20R, 100% | Vertical Farming Projects (Stage 3) +3 Dice, +45R, +95% |
| LiS Tiberium | KW Tiberium |
| Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 4) +1 Die, +20R, +40% | |
| LiS Orbital | KW Orbital |
| GDSS Shala +1 Die, +Erewhon +40R, +89% | GDSS Columbia Phase 3 +1 Die, +20R, +2% |
| Orbital Cleanup (Stage 12) +2 Dice, -Erewhon, +10R, +85% | |
| LiS Services | KW Services |
| Kamisuwa Optical Laboratories +1 Die, +20R, +4% | Regional Hospital Expansions (Phase 1) 1 Die, 25R, +56% |
| LiS Military | KW Military |
| Railgun Munitions Factories (Phase 1) +1 Die, +10R, +12% | Orca Wingmen Drone Deployment (Phase 1) +3 Dice, +60R, +37% |
| Stealth Disruptor Development (Tech) +1 Die, +15R, +100% | Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3) +1 Dice, +20R, +80% |
| +Security Review | |
| LiS Bureaucracy | KW Bureaucracy |
| Military Security Review | IDF ST: Deploy Medium Tactical Plasma Weapons by the end of 2062. +5 PS |
| IDF AF: Deploy all Orca Wingman Drones before the end of this plan. +5 PS |
Infr: KW +2 Dice, +65 R
HI: LiS +1 Die, +120R
LCI: KW +25R
Agr: KW +1 Die, +20R
Tib: LiS +1 Die, +20R
Orb: LiS: +2 Dice, +30R
Ser: KW +5R
Mil: KW +1 Die, +55R
Bur: KW 2 new plan targets, +10 PS.
-Promise KW: +Deploy Medium Tactical Plasma Weapons by the end of 2062
-Promise KW: +Deploy all Orca Wingman Drones before the end of this plan
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F0lkL0re
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You forgot to include:
Complete Chicago Planned City by end of 2065
Complete Electric Vehicle Factory by end of 2065
Hand off at least 20 points of Capital Goods to market over the course of the plan.
Chicago planned city is really more of an infrastructure project so the HI dice should be really incidental...unless you're just doing like one infra die and one HI die per turn!
But you wouldn't have done that, would you? ...would you?
Already corrected the Vehicle plants, the 20 points of Capital Goods is kind of "included" in North Boston and Chicago, and Chicago is far more an infrastructure project than a HI one. But let's say we would use 1 to 1 infra and HI dice for Chicago - this would mean another 525 points of progress, so about 700 points together with vehicle plants. Not really a huge commitment.
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F0lkL0re
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You know I'm pretty certain when I put up my plan before the voting started I said I was using a small amount of dice to get started on Chicago while working on getting our logistics up and finishing the last phase of BZ apartments must have slipped my mind.
Oh wait I did indeed do that see:
Silly us for forgetting that I told everyone what I was doing to avoid straw manning isn't it.
The problem is, we have a massive plan requirement in the 20k space population promise, which I expect to require about half our free dice for the entire plan. Yes, Alloys will likely assist with that to some degree, but not the full discount.
So, doing a 3600 progress megaproject as a maximum priority issue is, in my opinion, not feasible.
You'll note that I put 4 dice towards Alloys on my plan - I want to work on it, but I also think that saying "doing anything else before this is a waste" is such massive hyperbole that it's distorting the discussion.
And I am ok with most free dice going to Orbitals -in fact the leading plan puts more dice in orbitals than the runner up- I just want nearly all HI dice to go to alloys for the forseeable future.
Between 5 and 7 dice on alloys a turn would be perfect in my opinion.
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True, but the leading plan (Life in Space) actually puts more dice and resources into both Orbital and Stations than the following plan.
So, in the final two hours of the vote, this isn't about Stations vs Alloys. It's Stations & Alloys (Phase 1) vs everything else.
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F0lkL0re
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And that future is how long? how many quarters before we do anything else with the HI dice besides the foundries?
To be honest I'd rather see you go all in on infrastructure and do nothing on Chicago this turn, rather than do just two freaking dice so inefficently.
With this quarter excluded?
Another 4 to 5 quarters, so a bit over one year. We can put a HI die in Chicago to finish it as well in the interim.
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Plan Karachi Wingman is a bit of a mess. It wastes a HI die on Chicago without a sufficient investment of Infra dice to make decent progress. It under-invests in the Alloys with only two dice, neither saving resources nor making decent progress on the project. Rather than focusing its free dice into either (the very important and impactful) Alloys or Columbia, it spreads them out all over the place ineffectually. And it takes two Interdepartmental Favors for more plan goals when we're about to gain a pile of PS from Columbia and don't need yet more goals to work towards.
Even if it's not one I preferred, I really feel like Plan Life in Space is the far more focused one of the two currently-leading Plans, and since there's only two hours left, I'm adding it to my votes. (Also, it's the one that puts more dice on Stations. And I want more space, pls.)
[X] Plan Life in Space
[X] Plan: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Space
[X] Plan SPAAAACE! stations v2
[X] Plan Has Anybody Seen My Wingman?
[X] Plan: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Space (and Cybernetics)
[X] Plan: New Steel, New Plants, New Stations v2
Even if it's not one I preferred, I really feel like Plan Life in Space is the far more focused one of the two currently-leading Plans, and since there's only two hours left, I'm adding it to my votes. (Also, it's the one that puts more dice on Stations. And I want more space, pls.)
[X] Plan Life in Space
[X] Plan: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Space
[X] Plan SPAAAACE! stations v2
[X] Plan Has Anybody Seen My Wingman?
[X] Plan: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Space (and Cybernetics)
[X] Plan: New Steel, New Plants, New Stations v2
This as well, one die in HI and then massive push into infrastructure to finish off Chicago in one to two turns is a better approach in my opinion.
F0lkL0re
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Sometimes you can't get things done all in one turn while also doing other needed stuff and thus have to spread it out over several turns while you work on other things as well Vehrec.
You mean the goals we are essentially already doing right?
Ack, just realized that I had accidentally voted for things I didn't intend to
Thus:
[X]Plan SPAAAACE! stations v2
[X] Plan: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Space
[X]Plan SPAAAACE! stations
And, because I want to not be locked into developing and deploying plasma weapons in 2 turns,
[X] Plan Life in Space
Thus:
[X]Plan SPAAAACE! stations v2
[X] Plan: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Space
[X]Plan SPAAAACE! stations
And, because I want to not be locked into developing and deploying plasma weapons in 2 turns,
[X] Plan Life in Space
I'm not opposed to slow-rolling projects in general, but I am opposed when we have one of these split-die projects, and one of those die categories is pretty tight right now. Similarly the 2 dice on alloys are neither fish nor fowl, I'd rather see them and the Chicago dice be Aberdeen or something like that.
F0lkL0re
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Yeah well unless things change in the next two hours your getting your wish, argument over.
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- USA
[X] Plan Life in Space
Meh. It does some stuff I don't really care for, but it's way more focused and organized than the runner up.
Meh. It does some stuff I don't really care for, but it's way more focused and organized than the runner up.
That doesn't waste any of the benefits of the discounts
It's a percentage benefit, not a number benefit and therefore it doesn't need to be done early to get the full discount later
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Unfortunately, this is not the same as getting those projects done earlier.
And the opportunity cost of completing those projects later is large, as they are also big shiny awesome things.
This would be true if said projects were actually in HI.
Most aren't, so these projects do not compete with each other. I also do not advocate for a massive free dice investment into HI that would slow things down. Five to seven dice in HI - so zero to one free die with the planned focus reallocation taken into account is enough.
And the big push in fusion power is still around two to three years away, more than enough time to roll out alloys beforehand.
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