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Because from the text it looks like they give a boost to gravitic drive development
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
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- Wall Gazing
I disagree on saying the improved DAE would be only on par with the V1 Fusion Plants. While they would have the same average Energy per die efficiency (4 EpD), the Energy per R efficiency of the improved DAE would be twice that of the V1 Fusion plants (0.4 EpR for Improved DAE and 0.2 EpR for V1 Fusion). Now, will they be more die effective then V2 Fusion, probably not. But it will almost certainly be more effective per R, and won't cost any exotic resources, which may or may not be the case for V2 Fusion.
While the Plan as it is doesn't require much additional Energy given our current surplus, that is assuming we don't produce any non plan energy consumers, which is a poor assumption at best. We will need more Energy, and improved DAE gives us a ready source of issue free Energy at a solid efficiency. And as has been mentioned we will need to execute the off-lining of the current V1 Fusion and refitting it for V2, and that is probably going to be the main source thrust of Fusion in the future, keeping the old Fusion plants from collapsing our economy around us.
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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Because we were going to do that project this plan anyways.
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
[X] Plan A Decent Spread/Mad Science Squad
[X] Plan Stars and Plants
Automation and robotics from Dr. Rima Alcard sealed the deal for me.
[X] Plan Stars and Plants
Automation and robotics from Dr. Rima Alcard sealed the deal for me.
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Hmm...
I'd rather we grab two orbital people, but honestly all the people are good. I can't really complain.
I'd rather we grab two orbital people, but honestly all the people are good. I can't really complain.
And were we still resource limited I would be agreeing with you.
But we are not anymore. With the huge red zone push we did we can already activate all dice with some careful planning, and with the tiberium mines we are about to dig we will have more than enough resources to activate all dice basically at will. This is why the dice efficiency trumps resource efficiency for me currently. This will again change in the beginning of the new plan, but this is still nearly four years out, thus using the die in the interim and taking DAE shortly before that is something I would advocate.
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Michael O'Brian still gives a +2 Tabitha Henessey does not even if we already plan to build the Gravitic bay
Tabitha Henessey (+1 Orbital Die) (Must complete Gravitic bay by end of plan)
Michael O'Brian (+1 Orbital Die, +2 to Orbital)
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- USA
Tabitha boosts gravitic dev: Promoting her to her own department will substantially increase GDI's ability to conduct research on advanced propulsion systems.
True, but we have already seen multiple times in this quest that the narrative matters.
While from the mechanics standpoint Michael is certainly better, promoting Tabitha is expected to push gravitic drive development faster and further, possibly resulting in unique projects being offered down the line.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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We are still Dice limited as well. If we take DAE now we get it to build that 1 extra main Energy Action per Year which frees up other Heavy Industry Dice for use elsewhere.
👇+2 to Orbital compared to faster/better propulsion systems is just plain anemic because the +2 means we do things in Orbital a little bit faster and advanced propulsion systems means we get new and better actions in Orbital relating to transportation and logistics sooner:
Yes that quote is from the SCED Quest because that is the only part of this story that has been using Gravitic Drives which are the only Advanced Propulsion Systems we had researched so far. We have yet to acquire Element Zero and Mass Effect propulsion. So having a specialist that will give us new and better actions is very much desirable.
Also Shadowed by @tenchifew as I was about to post this.
You're comparing projects using multiple different technologies, and acting as if they are based on the same thing.
They aren't. It's like taking apples, oranges, and pomegranates, and saying they're all apples for purposes of comparison.
You have no way of knowing what the improved fusion plants projects will look like, and yet you make declarative "this will be the case" statements, which may not be your intent, but it comes across as saying you know how Ithillid will do things, when you really don't.
Edit, to clarify: We might get a progress reduction, or an increase on Energy production. Or both. We are *highly* unlikely to get a decrease in Resources per Die, for a long time. (Until Fusion is as mature a technology as fission, at the least.)
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This is wrong.
Since we already can activate all the dice we have the coming turn we are not resource limited anymore.
And since DAE is currently exactly as dice efficient as none improved fusion, improved fusion should be more efficient, even if we do not know by how much yet.
Thus taking DAE now would cost us dice over the coming 3+ years in comparison to using the HI die.
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We're currently in the area where we have the resources to activate all our dice, but don't necessarily have the resources to activate them on the projects we really want to work in. So, partially resource-limited, I would say.
As for DAE, I am hoping to hire Bernard, get 2-3 years of use out of her die, then start up DAE to get a constant inflow of Energy that doesn't cost Labor/other indicators.
Edit: despite an abysmal delivery, dmol did have a point. Fixed the pronoun
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- Africa
Scirn corruptors had a similar reaction and look how that turned out , besides liquid tip already happens naturally in massive amounts so the tech wouldn't be about making liquid tib but about processing it to gain resources or STUs
[X] Plan A Decent Spread/Mad Science Squad
[X] Plan A Decent Spread/Mad Science Squad
Will be the more usefull middle (DAE and reforestation via bio-engineering) and long term (automation, better gravitic techs).
And short term still give die in 2 of our more free die eating sectors (HI and Orbital).
Will be the more usefull middle (DAE and reforestation via bio-engineering) and long term (automation, better gravitic techs).
And short term still give die in 2 of our more free die eating sectors (HI and Orbital).
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- MSC
We all hope so. 🤞
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- USA
That's about how I see it as well.
It's absolutely fantastic that she improves the DAE by 33%. It makes it far more worthwhile to do.
But, unfortunately, we have some absolutely enormous projects we need to do in heavy industry.
Getting like 10 to 12 turns of a extra HI dice before spinning it off into the DAE is pretty fantastic. I can't really support doing the DAE right away when getting the mega projects done much faster is the alternative.
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Maybe even less, if we also reallocate Services die to HI in Q2.
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That would be amazing.
Going from 4 dice to 6... we could do stuff much faster even with orbital getting the free dice.
Yay 50% increase in productivity!