One thing I noticed: this is "Ocular Implant Development", not Deployment.
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Yeah, well, it's kinda doubtful whether we'll have the budget to consider that in 2062Q1. It'll depend on the completion state of various projects. Personally, I don't think we can afford to finish the project until 2062Q2-Q3, so it's probably for the best if we begin it in 2062Q2-Q3 and just throw multiple dice at it then, rather than trickle-feeding dice in now.
F0lklore, I'm going to be candid with you. I'm drafting plans that have fallow dice in nearly every category because the money just ain't there. There is going to be a hiatus in construction of expensive 15-20 R/die Agriculture projects in early 2062 in any plan of mine, unless Parliament point-blank orders us to, say, ignore the space program entirely so we can fund dairy ranches.
Because we must fund tiberium mining heavily or we'll be half-paralyzed like this for a year or more, and once we fund that there just isn't much left. Again, the money just ain't there. There's a reason I'm titling these things with names like Attempting To Treasury While Broke.
Moreover, those aquaponics foods (many of them not bland) lay the groundwork for future dairy ranching, because one of our problems that gets between us and building those dairy domes is that each phase of them costs -3 Food. A lot of our +Consumer Goods luxury food options, historically, have had this problem of being active "-Food, +Consoom" options, and if we want to build a lot of those in the next Plan, we need a solid +Food surplus as a starting point.
Look, my plans have a slot for "20 R/die project, whichever one is important enough." That's the best I can do. Some of the Talon projects are 20 R/die projects. Realistically, though, if after the turn when we spend 60 R and two dice on Sparkle Shields, Jackson immediately leaves us on the grounds that we didn't give the Talons 20 R out of a 250 R discretionary budget on all topics including civilian industrial spending and the space program... Well, we were never gonna keep Jackson for long in that scenario.
But if it really does look like we can/should, then one of my allocated 20 R/die dice can be for MRASP or something.
That isn't the issue. The issue is that the existing light carriers (as distinct from the Island-class assault ships) are designed for Orca wingman drones, and the first tranche of them are about to leave the shipyards, but we don't have any drones to put on them, making all the time we spent designing them bigger and delaying the design itself useless until such time as we start constructing the drones.
So yeah, that's very much on my to-do list for 2062. But it's a 20 R/die project that costs 275 points (read: about four dice probably). So it's just not gonna happen in the first half of 2062, unless we really really mortgage the farm to make it happen.
I strongly, strongly suspect that the fact that the military even put the project on our docket in the first place indicates that they consider the potential impact of 4-5 dice spent on the armor refit as being at least competitive with the impact of 1-2 dice and 20-25 R spent on something else.
Furthermore, it will take literally a full Plan for the refits to complete if we let it passively tick over on the refits department, and may draw off capacity that could more profitably be used supervising an additional refit, since the department can probably only supervise a limited number of refits at once.
I think this is the best possible time to do it, and I am in favor of doing it. I suspect that it will turn out to have benefits more complex and worthwhile than we believe.
I may want to do that. Right now, in this moment, I'm leaving that specific spot on the plan blank, labeled "20 R/die Thing." We can argue about which 20 R/die thing to do in 2062Q1-Q2 later.
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll fix that.
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22050 kg of ordinance per minute
Length: 175 m
Width: 18
Height: 28 m
I love the Predator render, but man does that Governor cruiser look incredibly top heavy.
Tumblehome design like the Zuwait-Class
Time to do a counterbudget, based on my preferred plan (Plan Save Moneys, with more SCIENCE!):
-Take the 25% GDP option during reapportionment.
-Have a 325 R reserve fund
-Don't divest any of our existing line items.
-Get +5 RpT from Tiberium Claws.
-Get +15 RpT from the plan's Red Zone Border Offensive, and +25 from the Vein Mines; it should probably be more than this, but then, we might not get any at all if it doesn't complete.
-From the extra +40 Tiberium income, we should expect to retain +10, so our income calculation then looks like...
325 R reserve
100 RpT moon mines
0.25*((2115+40) tib +30 tax +50 maintenance savings as per Derpmind) = 558.75 RpT still rounds to 560
-165 RpT line items
325+100+560-165 = 820 R to spend.
Subtract 100R reserve for Q2: still gives a budget of 720R
Q1 plan assuming average performance
Infrastructure 5 dice +32 5/5 60R
-Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 9+10) (Updated) 82/320 3 dice 30R 68%
-Urban Metros (Phase 4) 0/150 2 dice 30R 76%
Heavy Industry 4 dice +29 4/4 40R
-Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 0/300 4 dice 40R 71%
Light and Chemical Industry 4 dice +24 4/4 50R
-Civilian Ultralight Factories 0/190 2 dice 30R 28%
-Artificial Wood Development 0/60 1 die 10R 85%
-Isolinear Peripherals Development (New) 0/160 1 die 10R ??%
Agriculture 4 dice +24 4/4 30R
-Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) 56/450 3 dice 30R
-die for Security Review
Tiberium 7 dice +39 7+7 325?R
-Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 3) 77/190? (8 dice, 160 R) ~72% for 4 phases
-Red Zone Border Offensives (Phase 2) 17/250 3 dice 75R
-Super Glacier Mines (Phase 1) 3 dice 90?R
Orbital 6 dice +26 6/6 110R
-5? dice to finish Station Bay, Leopard 2 Factory 100R
-Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 1 die 10R 89%
Services 5 dice +27
-Unknown projects: 95R left over for this
Military 8 dice +26 60R
-Ferro Aluminum Armor Refits 0/350 4 dice 20R 32%
-Railgun Munitions Factories (Phase 1) 0/200 3 dice 30R 81%
-[] GD-3 Rifle Development 0/30 1 die 10R 100%
Bureaucracy 4 dice +24
Security Reviews: Agriculture
Recruitment action
Reallocate Focus dice
625/720R
And this plan would, on average (and assuming that the Tiberium Claws increase Vein Mine income from 20-35 to 25-35), give us 120 (vein mines) + 25 (RZBO) + whatever Super Glacier Mines give, which I'm assuming is on average at least 75Rpt.
So, that would provide a Q2 Resource availability of 815... which would be basically enough to get back up to more-or-less regular operations.
That is why I think that a plan which only effectively adds ~20R to the reserves is a mistake.
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@Lightwhispers Holy flaming buffalos in the sky. That is a way more dramatic change than I expected. Wow. Excluding Bureaucracy, that's 38/50 dice activated for Simon's plan, and 50/50 dice activated for your plan. 12 more dice we can activate in Q1. Um. Jeez.
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I think I really screwed up by not doing the right kinds of pre-planning to see how dramatic a difference saving enough R this turn could give us. If I had known this from the start, I'd have spent all this time arguing for plans that save R over pushing any of my personal project preferences. Like, whatever projects you prefer to do this turn, by spending so much overall we're giving up a ton of dice next turn that we don't need to. Gah!
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I know the vote's likely to be closed early, and even if not there's zero chance it'll turn around, so this only counts for sentiment. But I feel like an idiot for not even thinking to look towards next turn in this way.
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I think I really screwed up by not doing the right kinds of pre-planning to see how dramatic a difference saving enough R this turn could give us. If I had known this from the start, I'd have spent all this time arguing for plans that save R over pushing any of my personal project preferences. Like, whatever projects you prefer to do this turn, by spending so much overall we're giving up a ton of dice next turn that we don't need to. Gah!
[X] Lightwhispers
I know the vote's likely to be closed early, and even if not there's zero chance it'll turn around, so this only counts for sentiment. But I feel like an idiot for not even thinking to look towards next turn in this way.
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That is a very powerful argument for saving a little this turn.
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That is a very powerful argument for saving a little this turn.
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For those unaware, voting [X] Lightwhispers sets your vote as a duplicate of theirs - whatever they vote for, you're now voting for the same thing. This is beneficial because it means less looking up plan names for you, and more latitude to make changes for Lightwhispers who is currently our main hope of not leaving 12 dice fallow.
Incorrect. Banking reforms requires that we maintain a 100R reserve until we are informed otherwise.
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I think it would be optimistic to assume a super glacier mine is worth 75 RpT (unless it costs a lot more than three dice), until we get proof otherwise.
With that said, this a fair argument. I can do better with my cash reserves than I do in the Chicago plan (and, you will note, my Wall of Guns plan does do better, at least by a little).
Though frankly, you're doing that by frontloading cheap-per-die projects that I would have saved for 2062Q2-Q4 myself, so I'm not sure... Well, I see the following issues.
1) I could be wrong, but... you seem to be double-counting the banking reforms. I may be misunderstanding you, but it looks like you're counting them as money that's still in reserve as though it'd be available for us to spend next turn. I'm pretty sure it won't. If you were doing the accounting the way I am, you'd only count it as +90 to the reserves, not +190. Or, well, +70, because...
2) Your Refugees and Research plan is actually overstating its savings by 20 R. I'm pretty sure your Military budget should add up to 240 R and not 220.
So unless I'm badly, badly misunderstanding how the banking reforms work, we'll only actually have 180 R of spendable reserves at the start of 2062Q1 under your plan, as I understand it, making a budget as ambitious as the one you portray only possible by casting off line items during reapportionment. And there wouldn't be as generous an allotment left over for Q2 as you describe. Sorry.
Don't get me wrong, you're right about the advantages of saving up a lot of money, but to really surge ahead that way in 2062Q1-Q2, we have to either deliberately leave dice fallow, aggressively dig into the 10 R/die projects that we should probably leave for next turn, skip out on Plan commitments, or not do the banking reforms.
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Then why are you treating the 100 R reserve fund like it's still there for purposes of being something we can spend later?
I count it in my plan as money spent that ain't coming back, because we can't just withdraw all that money from the banks 3-6 months later without causing problems.
Put this way.
If @qazdewsx is right, then both my plans, including Attempting To Have Banks In Chicago, give us about +100 R more savings than I thought we did, and my budget for 2062Q1 could look a lot like his- though there wouldn't be money left over to spend a lot of reserves in Q2.
If I'm right, then @Lightwhispers is accidentally doing funny accounting because he's overestimating the size of his available cash reserves by 120 R (as opposed to only 20 R).
The actual difference between the amount of money he saves and the amount of money I save isn't nearly as dramatic as it's implied to be by the current discussion and abrupt vote-shift.
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1) I'm not doing Banking Reforms. I think it's a good idea, but it's a 100R line-item that we could wait a few turns on.
2) Refugees and Research isn't mine. Mine is "Plan Save Moneys, with more SCIENCE!"
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