Remove ads

Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

Reader mode
Dmol8 said:
Vote tally cause I want to know which vote are leading right now:
Adhoc vote count started by Dmol8 on Oct 19, 2021 at 3:10 AM, finished with 97 posts and 31 votes.
  • [X] Plan Arcologies, Income and Rollouts
    -[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 409/600 5 dice 75R 98%
    -[X] Automated Civilian Shipyards 0/250 4 dice 80R 68%
    -[X] Security Review 1 die
    -[X] Red Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Stage 10) 1/130 3 dice 75R 99%, 33% for Stage 11
    -[X] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 10) 18/180 5 Dice 150R 100%, 73% for Stage 11
    -[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 4) 5/135 4 dice 40R 98%, 40% for Phase 5
    -[X] Tissue Replacement Therapy Development 0/60 1 die 20R 76%
    -[X] Emergency Tiberium Infusion Development 0/120 1 die 15R 16%
    -[X] Ferro Aluminum Armor Testing (New) 0/30 1 die 5R 100%
    -[X] Zone Emergency Medical Evacuation Vehicle Deployment (Sydney) 49/80 1 die 10R 97%
    -[X] Shell Plants (Phase 4) 3/300 2 dice 20R 0%
    -[X] Naval Defense Lasers (New) 0/60 1 die 15R 73%
    -[X] Havoc Scout Mech Development 0/30 1 die 10R 100%
    -[X] Focus Reallocation 1 die
    --[X] Heavy Industry
    --[X] Tiberium
    --[X] Orbital
    -[X] Security Reviews (Service) 2 dice +1 service 98%
    -[X] Security Reviews (LCI) 2 dice +1 LCI 98%
    -[X] Private Industrial Automation 1 die
    [X] Plan Mad Science is Mad Expensive
    -[X]Infrastructure (5 dice) 60 Resources
    --[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2), 2 dice (30 Resources) 0%
    --[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 1), 3 dice (30 Resources) 90%
    -[X]Heavy Industry (5 dice) 60 Resources
    --[X] Automated Civilian Shipyards, 3 dice (60 Resources) 23%
    -[X]Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice) 0 Resources
    -[X]Agriculture (3 dice) 0 Resources
    -[X]Tiberium (6 dice + 1 Free) 175 Resources
    --[X] Red Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Stage 10), 3 dice (75 Resources) 99%
    --[X] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 10), 3 dice (90 Resources) 93%
    --[X] Railgun Harvester Development, 1 die (10 Resources) 100%
    -[X]Orbital (4 dice) 50 Resources
    --[X] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 4), 1 die (20 Resources)
    --[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 4), 3 dice (30 Resources) 88%
    -[X]Services (4 dice) 90 Resources
    --[X] NOD Research Initiatives, 1 die (30 Resources) 76%
    --[X] Scrin Research Institutions, 2 dice (60 Resources) 22%
    --[X] Security Review, 1 die (unrolled)
    -[X]Military (6 dice) 75 Resources
    --[X] Wartime Factory Refits (Phase 1), 1 die (20 Resources) 68%
    --[X] Ferro Aluminum Armor Testing, 1 die (5 Resources) 98%
    --[X] Zone Emergency Medical Evacuation Vehicle Deployment (Sydney), 1 die (10 Resources) 97%
    --[X] Tube Artillery Development, 1 die (15 Resources) 93%
    --[X] Hydrofoil Shipyards (Busan-Ulsan), 1 die (10 Resources) 43%
    --[X] Naval Defense Lasers, 1 die (15 Resources) 68%
    -[X]Bureaucracy (3 dice + 5 Free)
    --[X] Security Reviews (Services), 2 dice 98%
    --[X] Focus Reallocation
    ---[X] Tiberium
    ---[X] Orbital
    ---[X] Services
    --[X] Yellow Zone Qualifications Initiatives, 4 dice 97%
    --[X] Private Industrial Automation, 1 die (unrolled)
    -[X]Total cost: 510 Resources, 5 reserved
    [X] Plan Infra Arco Revolution
    -[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 409/600 (3 die, 45 R) (40% chance)
    -[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 1) (3 dice, 30 R) (90% chance)
    -[X] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 2) 15/275 (4 dice, 60 R) (73%)
    -[X] Automated Civilian Shipyards 0/250 (2 Dice, 40 R) (2/4 median)
    -[X] Red Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Stage 10) 1/130 (2 Dice, 50 R) (78% chance)
    -[X] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 10) 18/180 (4 Dice, 120 R) (~100% of one phase, ~29% chance of two)
    -[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 4) 5/135 (5 Dice, 50 R) (~100% of one, 74% chance of two)
    -[X] Tissue Replacement Therapy Development 0/60 (1 Die, 20 R) (76% chance)
    -[X] Advanced Electronic Video Assistant Development 0/60 (1 die, 20R) (76% chance)
    -[X] Security Review
    -[X] ZEMEV Deployment (Sydney) 49/80 (1 die, 10 R) (97% chance)
    -[X] Naval Defense Lasers (1 die, 15 R) (73% chance)
    -[X] Orca Refit Deployment (3 dice, 45 R) (52% chance)
    -[X] Ablat Plating Deployment (Stage 4) 45/200 (1 die, 10 R) (1/2.5 median)
    -[X] Focus Reallocation (flip Services to Orbital, leave HI and Tiberium focuses unchanged) (1 die)
    -[X] Services Review (2 dice)
    [X] Plan Trains, Ships and Space Phones
    -[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 4 dice 60R 83%
    -[X] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 2) 1 die +2 free dice 45R 26%
    -[X] Nuuk Heavy Robotics Foundry (Phase 1) 2 dice 40R 37%
    -[X] Automated Civilian Shipyards 3 dice 60R 23%
    -[X] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (phase 2) 2 dice 40R 30%
    -[X] Wadmalaw Kudzu Development 1 die 20R 91%
    -[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 1) 5 dice 100R 99%
    -[X] Railgun Harvester Development 1 free die 10R 100%
    -[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 4) 3 fusion dice 30R 88%
    -[X] Tissue Replacement Therapy Development 1 die 20R 76%
    -[X] NOD Research Initiatives 1 die 30R 76%
    -[X] Ferro Aluminum Armor Testing 1 die 5R 100%
    -[X] Zone Emergency Medical Evacuation Vehicle Deployment
    --[X] Sydney 1 die 10R 97%
    -[X] Tube Artillery Development 1 die 15R 93%
    -[X] Shell Plants (Phase 4) 1 die 10R 0%
    -[X] Naval Defense Lasers 1 die 15R 73%
    -[X] Security Reviews (Services) 1 Services die + 2 dice 98%
    -[X] Security Reviews (Light and Chemical Industry) 1 Light and Chemical Industry die + 1 die + 1 free die 98%
    -[X] Private Industrial Automation 1 free die
    [X] Plan Running the Eyewall v. 2.4
    -[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 409/650 15 Resources per Die -2E on Completion, 5 Dice = 75 Resources
    -[X] Automated Civilian Shipyards 0/250 20 Resources per Die -1CapG -4E on Completion, 3 Die = 60 Resources
    -[X] Security Reviews Light and Chemical Industry 1 Die
    -[X] Perennial Aquaponics Bays (Stage 2) 123/350 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
    -[X] Red Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Stage 10) 1/130 25 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 50 Resources
    -[X] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 10) 18/180 30 resources per Die -2Log on Completion, 3 Dice = 90 Resources
    -[X] Railgun Harvester Development 0/40 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 resources
    -[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 8) 13/90 15 Resources per Dice 10 Resources per Fusion Die, 4 Fusion Dice = 40 Resources
    -[X] NOD Research Initiatives 100/160 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
    -[X] Scrin Research Institutions 160/350 30 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 60 Resources
    -[X] Security Reviews Services 1 Die
    -[X] Ferro Aluminum Armor Testing (New) 0/30 5 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 5 Resources
    -[X] Zone Emergency Medical Evacuation Vehicle Deployment Sydney 49/80 10 Resources per Die -1Lab -1E on Completion, 1 Die = 10 Resources
    -[X] Orca Refit Deployment 0/200 15 Resources per Die -1 CapG on Completion, 2 Die = 30 Resources
    -[X] Railgun Munitions Development 0/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
    -[X] Naval Defense Lasers (New) 0/60 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
    -[X] Security Reviews Light and Chemical Industry 2 Die
    -[X] Security Reviews Services 2 Die
    -[X] Focus Reallocation 1 die
    --[X] Heavy Industry
    --[X] Orbital
    --[X] Services
    -[X] Yellow Zone Qualifications Initiatives 4 Dice
    [X] Plan: By Sea and Air
    -[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2), 4 dice (60 Resources) 83%
    -[X] Automated Civilian Shipyards, 4 dice (80 Resources) 68%
    -[X] Wadmalaw Kudzu Development 0/40 1 die 20R 91%
    -[X] Red Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Stage 10), 3 dice (75 Resources) 99%
    -[X] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 10), 5 dice (150 Resources) 73% chance for Stages 9+10
    -[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 4), 4 dice (40 Resources) 98%
    -[X] Security Review, 1 die (unrolled)
    -[X] Orca Refit Deployment 0/200 3 dice (45 Resources) 52%
    -[X] Zone Emergency Medical Evacuation Vehicle Deployment (Sydney), 1 die (10 Resources) 97%
    -[X] Tube Artillery Development, 1 die (15 Resources) 93%
    -[X] Naval Defense Lasers, 1 die (15 Resources) 68%
    -[X] Security Reviews (Services), 2 dice 98%
    -[X] Yellow Zone Qualifications Initiatives, 3 dice 82%
    -[X] Private Industrial Automation, 1 die (unrolled)
    [X] Plan: Apartments and Greed (+Lots of Bureaucracy)
    -[X] Infrastructure 3/5, 30R
    --[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes 0/160, 3 dice 30R 90%
    -[X] Heavy Industry 4/5 Dice, 80R
    --[X] Automated Civilian Shipyards 0/250, 4 dice 80R 68%
    -[X] Light and Chemical Industry 4/4 Dice, 0R
    --[X] Security Review: LCI 4 dice
    -[X] Agriculture 1/3 Dice 20R
    --[X] Wadmalaw Kudzu Development 0/40, 1 Die 20R 90%
    -[X] Tiberium 6/6 Dice + 2 Free Dice, 215R
    --[X] Red Zone Containment Lines (Stage 5) 74/180, 2 dice 50R 91%
    --[X] Red Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Stage 10) 1/30, 3 Dice, 75R, 99% (Stage 8), 33% (Stage 8+9)
    --[X] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 10) 18/180, 3 Dice, 90R, 93%
    -[X] Orbital 4/4 Dice + 0 Free Dice, 40R
    --[X] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 4) 5/135, 3 Dice (Fusion), 30R, 89%
    --[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 8) 13/90 1 die 10R 1 die 10R 47%
    -[X] Services 4/4 + 0 Free Dice, 30R
    --[X] NOD Research Initiatives 100/160, 1 Die, 30R, 77%
    --[X] Security Review, 3 dice
    -[X] Military 6/6 Dice, 100R
    --[X] Zone Emergency Medical Evacuation Vehicle Deployment (Sydney) 49/80 1 die 10R 97%
    --[X] Naval Defense Lasers 0/60 1 die 15R 73%
    --[X] Shimmer Shield Development 0/60 1 die 20R 73%
    --[X] Havoc Scout Mech Development 0/30 1 die 10R 100%
    --[X] Tactical Plasma Weapon Development 0/40 1 die 30R 93%
    --[X] Tube Artillery Development 0/40 1 die 15R 93%
    -[X] Bureaucracy 3/3 Dice + 4 Free dice
    --[X] Security Review: Services, 1 Die
    --[X] Security Review: LCI, 1 Die
    --[X] Yellow Zone Qualifications Initiatives, DC 150, 5 dice 99.7%
    [X]Plan Draft I've been Working on the Railroad~
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
You can view the tally without posting it. I generally hit new tally, and just scroll down to see the current state of the tally.
 
[X] Plan Mad Science is Mad Expensive

Some thoughts about Plan Arcologies, Income and Rollouts
it is strange to see a plan with Havoc Scout Mech Development but no shimmer shields
Automated Civilian Shipyards 0/250 4 dice 80R 68% do we realy need the logistics next turn or can 3 dice be used here?
Two glacier mines are -4 but one stage of orbital comms has a 98% of giving +2 is the expected result and the shipyards/second orbital comms phase give good odds of ending up higher.
 
Last edited:
Simon_Jester said:
Uju, I'm serious, you're doing it all over again.
I was there, man. The hydrofoil yards got stopped because we felt like we had "enough hydrofoils" and didn't want to invest the -6 Energy, especially since this was back before fusion power.

We did not just arbitrarily stop building hydrofoils because we decided that we knew better than the Navy did what the Navy needed.
Which is what YOU are doing.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I was here for much of that time as well. Lurking.
I didnt follow every detail of every argument that was going on, but I was aware of the general thrust of them.
I dont see much if any difference between my suggestion upthread and what was done then.

At best you can say this was pre-Priority tags, so you had to suss out military intentions from the text.
But the text going "hostile naval raider activity has dropped everywhere but the South East Asian Islands" after we built the Copenhagen Rapier shipyard seemed pretty clear to me.

Mind you, I didnt disagree with the decision then and dont disagree with the decision now, given the Energy cost.
But that doesnt change that it was a deliberate decision at the time that was brought up afterwards.

Simon_Jester said:
The Super Orcas are designed to fly off essentially the same platforms as the old Orcas. Including existing Navy carriers. I think you are grossly overestimating the degree to which carriers are designed around their aircraft and not the other way around.

EDIT: Maybe Ithilid disagrees. I dunno.
But I'm really tired of you just randomly name-dropping your opinions about how things work and treating them as indistinguishable from facts, even if sometimes the things you name-drop are facts.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Back up Simon.
I have barely posted in this thread; almost half my posts in this thread have been with regard to this particular conversation. And when I have asked questions about changes in doctrine and rollout, I have been generally careful to phrase them as questions and opinions.

You are swinging at strawmen. Stop doing that.

Simon_Jester said:
Bluntly, depending on the Energy situation I might rather put off the hydrofoil yards for a while. That's something you do when you have a +10 Energy surplus or more the turn before, just so you don't lose the ability to attempt other projects that same turn. Now wouldn't be a bad time, actually... but we so urgently need to get a variety of new industry up and running that I'd rather not dip into the Energy budget farther than I'd have to right away.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
With the current cost of reactors and energy being more reasonable, I'd rather have that done by the end of the year to thicken the eyes and ears in our littorals, given the increasing proliferation of Nod air and undersea assets. We can have more hydrofoils out faster than the escort carrier project, or the frigates, because no lead time.

Especially since the third hydrofoil shipyard is in the Pacific, which is where some of the current naval indicators of concern are.

Simon_Jester said:
@uju32 , based on this, plus the fact that the Super Orca design is already finalized anyway, I think we should just skip bothering to get any new techs before developing the escort carriers. There's an argument for working on plasma cannons or shimmer shields before developing the Havoc, maybe, but the escort carriers have waited long enough.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
In case I didnt make myself clear previously, Shimmershields RnD is for the carrier itself. Not for its aircraft.
To see if we can work that into a new design without time-consuming refits.To hopefully make a near miss torpedo or a close-intercept antiship missile to be a survivable event instead of a mission kill or a sinking. Or incorporate it in DAMCON.

We're not likely to start building Escort Carriers before, at best, the last quarter of Year 1. Thats seems to be the reality of the cash rush in current progress and other military commitments; we will need to build up the income stream first to sustain another shipbuilding program while doing other stuff. So we're not(or rather should not be) in a rush to draft a new naval design.

Im all for bulking up the Navy.
They are in my opinion one of the two most important military branches, along with ZOCOM; the Navy keeps our shipping lanes open, while ZOCOM keeps us in money.But we're not in a crisis situation that dictates the sort of rush where 1-2 turns is critical.

TripleTango said:
So that's a jump from Wasp to Queen Elizabeth just to accommodate the Wingmen.
Yeah, no, that's not worth it. Not for an escort carrier.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
1) Point of correction: USS Wasp is 40 metric kilotons full load displacement. HMS Queen Elizabeth is 70 metric kilotons FLD. 75% heavier. The closest RL examples to what the GM seems to be talking about as a 50kt carrier is something like an America-class LHA (45 kilotons) or immediate post-war Midway(45 kilotons when launched after WW2). Maybe an Essex-class post-war refit, which some sources say went as big as 47 kilotons.

Fleet carriers are likely to be much bigger. The GM has given no figures I can recall though.

2)Disagree strongly.

If the QM says its an option if we have the research done beforehand? I'd rather have give the ship designers the option to fit in wingman drones than not.A 25% increase in displacement from 40kt to 50kt for the ability to double an escort carrier airwing's firepower or survivability would be a bargain, especially since it doesnt come with a doubling of pilots. Even if procurement costs are directly proportional to carrier weight it would still be worth taking.

When we built MARVs, we didnt go for the lowcost version, and we havent regretted that choice either; superMARVs are roughly a third bigger and 45% more expensive than a normal MARV, but are pound for pound more effective.
 
Last edited:
Absoloot said:
You can view the tally without posting it. I generally hit new tally, and just scroll down to see the current state of the tally.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Yeah I know that and you know that, but not everyone knows that and posting a vote tally motivates people to vote because they can see the votes in it and then pick the one they like.
 
Void Stalker said:
[X] Plan Arcologies, Income and Rollouts
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
You are designing your Havoc Mech before designing Shimmershields to go on the design.
That strikes me as a bad idea and sets up future refit costs for us.

You're scanning Services.
Noone has scanned Military since Takeda was assassinated IIRC. Why?
Crazycryodude said:
Thought voting didn't open for another half an hour but I gotta go to sleep so good thing it's now.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
You on the other hand spread yourself too thin.
The money youre spending on the Scrin gacha could be boosting our income now.
Then we do that gacha next turn.

Your military choices are better though IMO.

VOTE
[X] Plan Mad Science is Mad Expensive
[X] Plan Arcologies, Income and Rollouts

I'll take a look later in the day and see if I can drop one plan.
 
Last edited:
Ithillid said:
She is not an arch traitor. An idealist, sure. A bit naive, sometimes. But very competent and very much wants the best for the Initiative.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I called Litvinov a crusader before, I am only affirmed in my opinion.

At least you say she is very competent. Better than I expected.

Maybe I will upgrade her to paladin, but that remains to be seen.

Simon_Jester said:
-[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 409/600 (2 die, 30 R) (2/3.5 median)
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Simon_Jester said:
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 409/600 (3 die, 45 R) (40% chance)
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Should be 650 progress bar. You seem to be copypasting this mistake from your older plans.
 
[] Plan Mad Science is Mad Expensive
Infrastructure (5 dice) 60 Resources
-[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2), 2 dice (30 Resources) 0%
-[] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 1), 3 dice (30 Resources) 90%
Heavy Industry (5 dice) 60 Resources
-[] Automated Civilian Shipyards, 3 dice (60 Resources) 23%
-2 dice idle
Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice) 0 Resources
-Idle
Agriculture (3 dice) 0 Resources
-Idle
Tiberium (6 dice + 1 Free) 175 Resources
-[] Red Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Stage 10), 3 dice (75 Resources) 99%
-[] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 10), 3 dice (90 Resources) 93%
-[] Railgun Harvester Development, 1 die (10 Resources) 100%
Orbital (4 dice) 50 Resources
-[] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 4), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[] Expand Orbital Communications Network (Phase 4), 3 dice (30 Resources) 88%
Services (4 dice) 90 Resources
-[] NOD Research Initiatives, 1 die (30 Resources) 76%
-[] Scrin Research Institutions, 2 dice (60 Resources) 22%
-[] Security Review, 1 die (unrolled)
Military (6 dice) 75 Resources
-[] Wartime Factory Refits (Phase 1), 1 die (20 Resources) 68%
-[] Ferro Aluminum Armor Testing, 1 die (5 Resources) 98%
-[] Zone Emergency Medical Evacuation Vehicle Deployment (Sydney), 1 die (10 Resources) 97%
-[] Tube Artillery Development, 1 die (15 Resources) 93%
-[] Hydrofoil Shipyards (Busan-Ulsan), 1 die (10 Resources) 43%
-[] Naval Defense Lasers, 1 die (15 Resources) 68%
Bureaucracy (3 dice + 5 Free)
-[] Security Reviews (Services), 2 dice 98%
-[] Focus Reallocation
--[] Tiberium
--[] Orbital
--[] Services
-[] Yellow Zone Qualifications Initiatives, 4 dice 97%
-[] Private Industrial Automation, 1 die (unrolle
[X] Plan Arcologies, Income and Rollouts
 
Derpmind said:
Why did you copy/paste this entire plan, and without putting in any 'X's? Did you intend to vote for it?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

No. It's clear from the Idle statements:

Jakub1228 said:
Heavy Industry (5 dice) 60 Resources
-[] Automated Civilian Shipyards, 3 dice (60 Resources) 23%
-2 dice idle
Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice) 0 Resources
-Idle
Agriculture (3 dice) 0 Resources
-Idle
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

that it is a form of minimalistic criticism and argument for the Plan Arcologies, Income and Rollouts.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top