Guys we have a cities worth off acceptable targets to make an example of. The pirates can even help us pay for the ransom.

To really make sure they get the message place the decapitated pirate heads over the meat (don't eat actual pony meat).

[X] Pay Any Cost
 
We bear these burdens... at any cost!
 
I hope we try intrigue first while building defenses on the southern border, and i truly hope intrigue works so we can avoid a war. But i somehow feel that this will end in war one way or another.
 
I still don't think avoiding war is a good thing. So we get our own citizens back but let slavery continue unimpeded in Maretonia? That's hardly acceptable. Also, Maretonia would probably get into a civil war anyway if a future king or queen tried to abolish slavery but the nobility opposed it.
 
I still don't think avoiding war is a good thing. So we get our own citizens back but let slavery continue unimpeded in Maretonia? That's hardly acceptable. Also, Maretonia would probably get into a civil war anyway if a future king or queen tried to abolish slavery but the nobility opposed it.
Not to mention any anti slavery actions we take will only accelerate the Civil war. Not to mention that if we make them desperate enough some greedy Nobel might try to take things into his/her hooves and launch an expedition to obtain more "merchandise".
 
Not to mention any anti slavery actions we take will only accelerate the Civil war. Not to mention that if we make them desperate enough some greedy Nobel might try to take things into his/her hooves and launch an expedition to obtain more "merchandise".
Ah, soon to be divided, soon to be conquered!
 
I was hoping to inspire the obviously rebellious guys into civil war against their queen using our awesome intrigue and perhaps diplomacy and coming in to conquer them once they've torn apart the country in it.

After all, it's not just these particular griffon owning nobles we have issues with, it's the entire ruling class, including their cutie of a queen.
That doesn't require giving them the money by any means, and could easily empower those nobles too much- legitimizing their games while also taking away their cases belli of an overreaching monarch because said Monarch just appeased them.
gambling on a war with people who can control the weather and have tens of thousands of magically capable unicorns also sounds like a terrible idea.
Yes, because we literally just carved through hundreds of thousands of various ponies who couldn't break, had no fear, and had actual eldritch horrors supporting them. Maretonia doesn't even begin to compare to Sombra's war machine and nothing about basic Unicorn magic remotely thinks it'll stop those slave conscripts or mercenaries from fleeing in horror when our flamethrowers turn on them. Or as we turn landscapes into hellish killing fields with mines and artillery due to our absurd sappers.

I'm looking at what we actually know rather than fearful conjecture about unicorns and unlimited weather magic when we know how they fight. Shitty slave levies, knightly orders, and mercenaries backed by some war wizards.

Slave levies are going to be pathetic considering Sombra's slave soldiers would be superior in almost any way and theirs are liable to break or defect in the face of a professional and blooded military that will spare them at the slightest surrender.

Mercenaries aren't going to be nearly as committed as our professional soldiers who consider slavery nearly blasphemous after Sombra, can potentially be bought, and are going to be unwilling to fight any battle that seems too unwinnable.

Their knights are likely going to be of solid quality, but we're liable to roll out Black Steel sooner than later and our knights almost certainly have more experience considering Sombra and our society is far more meritocratic than theirs.

As for their war wizards, we have a fair amount of heroes with magic killing gear, can likely hire on some of Neighpon's magic users to supplement our forces, and have a military that is somewhat used to horrific battlefield scale magic.

I'm absolutely willing to take this fight knowing that it'll take time to come to grips with the enemy either way.
 
Honestly I want the civil war to happen sooner rather then later and either move in when both sides are weak or support the slave resistance and see if we can't put their leader in charge if we don't want to get directly involved.

I say this because our cultures are just to different to co-exist. Our people's values and history with slavery ( Sombra trying to enslave our kingdom plus what they saw him force on his own people and the horror stories his freed people told ours) I doubt our people could just stand back and let them do what they've been doing even if they left us alone. And they would hate us since our people telling their people what they are doing is wrong would at least annoy them and at worse threaten them.

So yeah I want them to get into a civil war sooner rather then later before they decide that they like us less then they like each other and attack.
 
Honestly I want the civil war to happen sooner rather then later and either move in when both sides are weak or support the slave resistance and see if we can't put their leader in charge if we don't want to get directly involved.

Same, which is why I was for injecting a large amount of funds into the pockets of the rebellious nobles. But seems we're likely to strike them all at once more likely.
 
That doesn't require giving them the money by any means, and could easily empower those nobles too much- legitimizing their games while also taking away their cases belli of an overreaching monarch because said Monarch just appeased them.

Yes, because we literally just carved through hundreds of thousands of various ponies who couldn't break, had no fear, and had actual eldritch horrors supporting them. Maretonia doesn't even begin to compare to Sombra's war machine and nothing about basic Unicorn magic remotely thinks it'll stop those slave conscripts or mercenaries from fleeing in horror when our flamethrowers turn on them. Or as we turn landscapes into hellish killing fields with mines and artillery due to our absurd sappers.

I'm looking at what we actually know rather than fearful conjecture about unicorns and unlimited weather magic when we know how they fight. Shitty slave levies, knightly orders, and mercenaries backed by some war wizards.

Slave levies are going to be pathetic considering Sombra's slave soldiers would be superior in almost any way and theirs are liable to break or defect in the face of a professional and blooded military that will spare them at the slightest surrender.

Mercenaries aren't going to be nearly as committed as our professional soldiers who consider slavery nearly blasphemous after Sombra, can potentially be bought, and are going to be unwilling to fight any battle that seems too unwinnable.

Their knights are likely going to be of solid quality, but we're liable to roll out Black Steel sooner than later and our knights almost certainly have more experience considering Sombra and our society is far more meritocratic than theirs.

As for their war wizards, we have a fair amount of heroes with magic killing gear, can likely hire on some of Neighpon's magic users to supplement our forces, and have a military that is somewhat used to horrific battlefield scale magic.

I'm absolutely willing to take this fight knowing that it'll take time to come to grips with the enemy either way.


Set Hardbeak on them! Show them how little their magic matters. I really hope hardbeak has some kind of bonuses because of all the crazy Shit he's done
 
Set Hardbeak on them! Show them how little their magic matters. I really hope hardbeak has some kind of bonuses because of all the crazy Shit he's done
Yes, he possesses the ancient and blessed invisible Armor of Plot. Said to have been kissed by the angels of Dice and polished with a gallon of four-leaf clover extract.
 
Cut of his horn its the one thing that makes him "better" then all other species then we can cut off his tail to be extra mean
Let's not mutilate the foreign diplomats, since that could be seen as a declaration of war.
They do represent the nation (or at least the controlling slave owners), not just themselves.
 
Honestly I want the civil war to happen sooner rather then later and either move in when both sides are weak
This is the course that would let us continue our "incidental imperialism" streak, as we could extract some mighty concessions if it is our military that keeps the monarch in power. Not vassalizing of course, but useful nonetheless and would probably kick us up to Great Power status in terms of Prestige.
 
This is the course that would let us continue our "incidental imperialism" streak, as we could extract some mighty concessions if it is our military that keeps the monarch in power. Not vassalizing of course, but useful nonetheless and would probably kick us up to Great Power status in terms of Prestige.
Garrick: "Whoops, there goes your independence. Sorry! You... you wanna be our vassal? We have tons of cool tax rates and industry!"
Hardbeak: *breaks through the throne room doors* "My Lord! Another nation to the South-West has been found in the midst of a 'Warring Kingdoms' period. Instructions, your highness?"
Garrick: "Here I go conquering again..."

Truly, suffering from success.
 
This is the course that would let us continue our "incidental imperialism" streak, as we could extract some mighty concessions if it is our military that keeps the monarch in power. Not vassalizing of course, but useful nonetheless and would probably kick us up to Great Power status in terms of Prestige.

It's like Britain sleepwalking itself to Empire building trade posts for tea and opium.
 
Same, which is why I was for injecting a large amount of funds into the pockets of the rebellious nobles. But seems we're likely to strike them all at once more likely.

we'd be shooting our paws if they suddenly have enough funds to hire mercenaris and arm their troops well.

We may not be able to get into a shooting war just wet, but if there are any tribes not yet incorporated into Maretonia, we could offer them some sort of deal to cut off our new neighbor's expansion. Not anex outright, just keep that border back.

It would be funny to see Maretonian diplomats try to protest.

Edit: refugee survivors might try to find a hone in the crystal empire. We need to plan that out to prevent tension if a caravan plops down after fleeing Maretonia. This is not just compassion, but we saw the sudden crystal camps before and after defeating Sombra.
 
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