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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest

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ThoughtMaster said:
Quick question; should we attempt to cause a major uprising leading to the former slaves enacting a "reign of terror" against those who were once their masters?
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Preferably not? Mostly because it'd turn the whole region into a perpetual motion machine that does nothing but spit trouble at us for centuries, since someone would have to deal with all the results of the horrific ethnic strife and we'd be the only ones around.

There's also the moral repercussions.
 
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ThoughtMaster said:
Quick question; should we attempt to cause a major uprising leading to the former slaves enacting a "reign of terror" against those who were once their masters?
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Really rather not. Just put them on trial, find them guilty or innocent as the case may be of crimes against sentients, and punish accordingly. No reason to make people turn into bloodthirsty demagogues.
 
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Not at these prices, no.

Do remember, everybody: Neighpon is going to be joining us when the time comes. They would agree with this decision 90 times out of 100, simply because their honor-culture would see this "offer" as a great slight that requires bloodied katanas for the affront to be quenched.
For God's sakes, the queen of Maretonia lied to our faces about there being gryphonese/Neighponese slaves at all and only after being smacked to the face with evidence we knew everything, did they even start negotiating! Such an affront should make anyone from their culture utterly enraged!

Unlike the last war with Sombra, this will be mostly naval at the start, with useful conquerable ports. Neighpon will shovel more of their army into this, it's clear.
 
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ThoughtMaster said:
Quick question; should we attempt to cause a major uprising leading to the former slaves enacting a "reign of terror" against those who were once their masters?
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or at least try to free as many slaves as we can since the crystal empire could use more ponies to help rebuild it's population and by taking slaves away from maretonia we'd cripple their industry since it's based off the back of their slave labor.
 
ThoughtMaster said:
Quick question; should we attempt to cause a major uprising leading to the former slaves enacting a "reign of terror" against those who were once their masters?
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065tdsa said:
Preferably not? Mostly because it'd turn the whole region into a perpetual motion machine that does nothing but spit trouble at us for centuries, since someone would have to deal with all the results of the horrific ethnic strife and we'd be the only ones around.

There's also the moral repercussions.
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Gaius Tyrannus said:
I would be against it, purely on the principle that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. An example must be made, yes, but stooping to their level solves nothing.
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jjffjhjf said:
Really rather not. Just put them on trial, find them guilty or innocent as the case may be of crimes against sentients, and punish accordingly. No reason to make people turn into bloodthirsty demagogues.
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That and the uprising could go a bit more bloody if they start to attack any noble, cause I don't think they'll know if the noble is part of the abolishes.
 
Buying our people back just sets a precedence, whats to stop them from capturing more of them and trying to sell them again? The 'Ambassador', and I say this in quotes for a reason shows what the nobility thinks of us. any negotiations we do will fail to be fulfilled on their end as they will see us paying as a weakness. the Money will either not arrive and be "lost on the way, so sorry please pay again) or additional costs will suddenly appear. The fact that they tried to lie about our people and then are ignoring their queens order this directly means that any laws passed about enslaving our citizen will be ignored. We need to put a stop to this by force most likely as that will be the only thing they listen to.

I personally don't want to leave them there but the other option will not solve this issue. Our own people are probably tired of war and battle and will hate us for this but I don't think we have any choice

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x0Nothing0x said:
or at least try to free as many slaves as we can since the crystal empire could use more ponies to help rebuild it's population and by taking slaves away from maretonia we'd cripple their industry since it's based off the back of their slave labor.
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And this is their biggest weakness, their reliance on slavery in their economy. Rome didn't solely rely on slaves, though they were a benefit. Rome in fact freed so many slaves that laws had to be mad to reduce the amount once. They have the same problem that the people of the storm light archive do: if their we no slaves to keep the food/ wealth coming in, the economy dies.
 
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There is never a convenient time to do the right thing.

Of course more options are going to open, but if... if it comes to this

We don't fight the war with soldiers, that's costly and bloody and expensive. We want to fight the war cheap? That's via subterfuge, and economics.

Our spies can dig tunnels all over, liberate our people and we defeat the slaveholders via embarrassment. If we want to step things up work with Ambrosia and set up a network of tunnels to give supplies and underground railways... heh maybe literal ones now, to the north and the freed slaves start new lives north of the Crystal/ Amtheyst/ Beryl/Whatever River. Which solves the problem of a depopulated Crystal protectorate in the long term.

The other way to defeat slaveholding nations? Economics. Find out what the nobles that hire the most slaves do and flood the market with cheap industrial goods and set up railway operations with those plantations. Target the slaveholders, don't go after them... go after their pocketbook. Get Neighpon in on economic warfare and we can win... although they may have other trade partners than Libertalia. The furnace of industry and automation can do it

By the way we might want to build vital infrastructure... like Bridges or tunnels under the Crystal/Amethyst/Beryl/Whatever/Southern Border River so that... if we want to...uh... pay a visit... we can do it easier. Along with the fortresses.
 
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Raptor580 said:
Cut off his horn like we did sombra.
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Can we take one of his eyes as well, cause I'm sure he'll only need one to see once the war starts.

Gaius Tyrannus said:
I'd say make a speech or such, telling him in no small terms that we will not deal with Slavers, and that our people are not property to be bought and sold. Or Sparta kick him down a well.
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I don't think he'll repeat our speech to the nobles once we send him back, also we probably should get some D.Dogs to try and make a bottomless pit.
 
Shadow-86 said:
Can we take one of his eyes as well, cause I'm sure he'll only need one to see once the war starts.



I don't think he'll repeat our speech to the nobles once we send him back, also we probably should get some D.Dogs to try and make a bottomless pit.
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Even better then. We give him a Friendship Report for princess Celestia. Stuck to the stub where his horn was.
 
Firebringer2077 said:
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There is never a convenient time to do the right thing.

Of course more options are going to open, but if... if it comes to this

We don't fight the war with soldiers, that's costly and bloody and expensive. We want to fight the war cheap? That's via subterfuge, and economics.

Our spies can dig tunnels all over, liberate our people and we defeat the slaveholders via embarrassment. If we want to step things up work with Ambrosia and set up a network of tunnels to give supplies and underground railways... heh maybe literal ones now, to the north and the freed slaves start new lives north of the Crystal/ Amtheyst/ Beryl/Whatever River. Which solves the problem of a depopulated Crystal protectorate in the long term.

The other way to defeat slaveholding nations? Economics. Find out what the nobles that hire the most slaves do and flood the market with cheap industrial goods and set up railway operations with those plantations. Target the slaveholders, don't go after them... go after their pocketbook. Get Neighpon in on economic warfare and we can win... although they may have other trade partners than Libertalia. The furnace of industry and automation can do it

By the way we might want to build vital infrastructure... like Bridges or tunnels under the Crystal/Amethyst/Beryl/Whatever/Southern Border River so that... if we want to...uh... pay a visit... we can do it easier. Along with the fortresses.
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.... I just realized. with our new tech, we can LITERALLY build an underground railway.

Also, I know we really want to hurt the ambassador, but really, just let him go peacefully. Cold rage guys. Cold rage. redirect it at the pirates for now.
 
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Ok, hopefully they won't cry War immediately after being told to sod off. I say the army forts up in the Crystal Empire. We have a big terrain advantage there, the Peregrine Line should be able to stop any raiding groups that survive the Crystal Wastes, and running a campaign through to the other side of the wastes would be hell on our logistics. The Navy destroys the pirates (little doubt there) and sieges Lybertonia until we can storm it. All the while our spys will be playing merry hell with Maretonia's stability.

I see this war going well for us if we can fend off there first major assault. If that fails then we will be hitting them at their biggest week point, their political insecurity. They are currently very self assured in their victory, and if it isn't swiftly delivered then they will start playing the blame game. When they start doing that we start raiding. Not an invasion, that might get them to unify, we do precision raids directed by our spies. Outside of inducing even more infighting the raids can work alongside the abolitionists to extract slaves. The crystal ponies probably wouldn't be mad about having some new immigrants; actually it could be used as a big moral boost.

Next stage of the war is to gain control of the seas. We have a powerful navy, and I doubt that the Maretonians are prepared for cannons. It also takes a while to change anything substantial in a navy, so they would have trouble compensating. From there we should be able to perform beach landings to get around the supply issues of going through the Crystal Wastes. If that is less of a factor than I think it would be then we could still use them as additional fronts to draw enemy forces from the border where we have only done some raiding. That is when our main army marches through their depleted defenses and starts pressing them. Either that or we commit even more forces to the beach heads.

Eh, I've put way too much thought into this.
 
Gaius Tyrannus said:
3. A decade of peace means a decade of potentially hundreds more enslaved, having to pay for our people over and over and over.
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Or thousands if you consider that they might "encorage" a lot of offspring. And I wonder if gryphon slaves have clipped wings like a parrots, or if magic keeps them from escaping while still having flight.

And then consider how qilin are long-lived, slow-breeding, part dragon, and have unique magic. They'd be worth a small estate on their own.

As a side note, how long have they had qilin slaves? There might be a few hundred if boats from Neighpon got lost decades or centuries ago.
 
Zavvnao said:
Or thousands if you consider that they might "encorage" a lot of offspring. And I wonder if gryphon slaves have clipped wings like a parrots, or if magic keeps them from escaping while still having flight.

And then consider how qilin are long-lived, slow-breeding, part dragon, and have unique magic. They'd be worth a small estate on their own.

As a side note, how long have they had qilin slaves? There might be a few hundred if boats from Neighpon got lost decades or centuries ago.
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Precisely, which is why must refuse, and then go for the throat: their supply of slaves.
 
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Normalize get more spies in there and then bring everything they know and love crashing down around them.
 
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