This whole situation brings up many questions about Sombra's interactions with these people. It also makes me wonder what's the Crystal Ponies' innate magic. They all seem to be earth ponies, but they're supposed to be their own breed.

I wonder about these things because I'm pretty sure we're getting at least one army of fanatical (if very green) Crystal Ponies in this war, and I want to know how big it will be and how it'll fight.
 
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"Good men don't need rules, now is not the time to find out why I have to many"
If we can take down sombra we can take down these slavers and free our people
However we need our people back because if we leave them our people are going to be pretty mad at us and I don't blame them
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This is true but, butt, buttt,

Nobody said we had to pay them for out people. We have a list, we have a network of spies, we have friends in Maretonia, and a population who hates slavery.

Why not smuggle them out?
 
I'm kinda genuinely curious, for those who want to pay as to why? Not trying to be rude, just interested.

Most of them just want to buy our people to get them back quickly and then want to immediately attack them via intrigue, war, or both. Then their are the few that just want to have peace and not have another war right away.
 
Most of them just want to buy our people to get them back quickly and then want to immediately attack them via intrigue, war, or both. Then their are the few that just want to have peace and not have another war right away.
Thing is I think we'll get better options to fight them if we take the other option. Simply because our people will be more motivated, and also because it'll show solidarity towards the Qilin, who still have people stuck there and have not been mentioned in this negotiation.

It'll also let us better handle the very fired up Crystal Ponies who might, depending on whether Sombra traded slaves with Maretonia, insist on charging in yesterday.
 
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Most of them just want to buy our people to get them back quickly and then want to immediately attack them via intrigue, war, or both. Then their are the few that just want to have peace and not have another war right away.
I understand that but, well...
1. Nobody said that buying them back was the only option, considering our intrigue rolls and skills.
2. Those who want peace must prepare for War.
3. A decade of peace means a decade of potentially hundreds more enslaved, having to pay for our people over and over and over.
 
Thing is I think we'll get better options to fight them if we take the other option. Simply because our people will be more motivated, and also because it'll show solidarity towards the Qilin, who still have people stuck there and have not been mentioned in this negotiation.

It'll also let us better handle the very fired up Crystal Ponies who might, depending on whether Sombra traded slaves with Maretonia, insist on charging in yesterday.
Yes, yes we do, And we aren't the only party involved in this
 
I want us to get our people and allies people out first before we start the war, cause the nobles could just kill our people while we are fighting them.
 
Most want to secure the safety of our people first, then invade.
This is fair, but there is the is the unfortunate fact that, well...

This empire doesn't treat their slaves well. Whose to say that we even get our people back in one piece, considering the fact that most of the nobles want the deal to fail? An 'accident' on the way home might occur, or they might just play coy, and keep them longer. Or just kill them once we pay. Either option is dangerous, but in danger lies opportunities.
Edit: plus, sorry to sound callous but, well...
If they kill our people, then we gain a legal right of war, and our people would fight even harder considering the fact that we are fighting an empire that enslaved our people and killed them.
 
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I'm kinda genuinely curious, for those who want to pay as to why? Not trying to be rude, just interested.

I see it as a time buying option to preserve public approval as well as gain time to set up more military advancements before the invasion.

Really, from the thread's mood about this, the two options are summed as:

Pay off Maretonia to secure our civilians and provide us time to further build up our military, invade the Pirates, set up a Foward Operating Base on their ashes, set up a new defensive line, set up new Knight Orders everywhere (including a Maritime variant?), and then invade Maretonia on the "Fuck Slavery" Casus Belli. This also puts money in the "Uncompromising Slavers" Faction, which drives the country closer to civil war while also making the Faction most likely to incite the entire country against us and stamp out the abolitionists more powerful.

Tell Maretonia "Fuck Off" and then use various other options to extract our civilians. This will lead us to a sooner date for the war to start up, but also provide us with a larger War Chest for funding advancements while also not allowing the "Uncompromising Slaver" Faction to gain even more power.

It's basically a two fold question. "Are you willing to risk our civilians for however long?" and "Do you want a long preparation period before the War or a short one?"
 
Simply put, never may one of ours be a slave, the second gold enters the hand of a slaver we are treating all of our people as mere chattel.
 
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So three things first: [Anti-Magic Equipment], [Counter Mage Training], and [Navy Upgrade]

We literally defeated a fucking Dark Lord aka Sombra, who by far is stronger than all their Unicorn Soldiers combined. We have an army at least twice their numbers, and we are more experienced in large-scale combat.
 
We literally defeated a fucking Dark Lord aka Sombra, who by far is stronger than all their Unicorn Soldiers combined.
We did cheat with the Crystal Heart.

But nobody says we can't take it along this time around, since we actually have it now. Depending on how Evil Maretonian battlemagics are it might actually fry a unicorn formation every now and then. Or make them reconsider the error of their ways, which is pretty incapacitating in battle.
 
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We did cheat with the Crystal Heart. But nobody says we can't take it along this time around, since we actually have it now. Depending on how Evil Maretonian battlemagics are it might actually fry a unicorn formation every now and then. Or make them reconsider the error of their ways, which is just as incapacitating in battle.
Rather than just blasting them apart like sombra cause he was pure evil and they mostly likely are not, I want to 'point of view gun' them. Let them see how they appear to who they lord over.
 
I see it as a time buying option to preserve public approval as well as gain time to set up more military advancements before the invasion.

Really, from the thread's mood about this, the two options are summed as:

Pay off Maretonia to secure our civilians and provide us time to further build up our military, invade the Pirates, set up a Foward Operating Base on their ashes, set up a new defensive line, set up new Knight Orders everywhere (including a Maritime variant?), and then invade Maretonia on the "Fuck Slavery" Casus Belli. This also puts money in the "Uncompromising Slavers" Faction, which drives the country closer to civil war while also making the Faction most likely to incite the entire country against us and stamp out the abolitionists more powerful.

Tell Maretonia "Fuck Off" and then use various other options to extract our civilians. This will lead us to a sooner date for the war to start up, but also provide us with a larger War Chest for funding advancements while also not allowing the "Uncompromising Slaver" Faction to gain even more power.

It's basically a two fold question. "Are you willing to risk our civilians for however long?" and "Do you want a long preparation period before the War or a short one?"
I understand, but it begs the question, regardless of whether or not we do this:
1.What would it cost us to buy our own people back?
2. What precedent would we set to our allies and subjects?
3. Would the war start immediately, or in a few years time, in which time depending on our actions more of our people may be enslaved and sold, or we could cause uncounted damage via intrigue and blockade?

And finally, real talk. Would I be willing to sacrifice a few of our citizens so that thousands more would never experience the utter, souls crushing shame and humiliation of being sold and treated like cattle?

Yes. And I would do so fully aware of what I have done.
 
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no matter what choice we pick, these f*****s are going to die. That's not even me being mad about the slave thing, it's just that they're civilization is so against what the empire stands for that I doubt we'd ever be able to be able to be friendly with each other. Cold war at best barring one of our civilizations going through a drastic change. Our cultures are just to different to be able to coexist with each other and at some point a fight will brake out between our two kingdoms for one reason or another. And seeing how this is going to be a case of "It's either them our us" I'm of course going to be leaning on us hence why they need to die.
 
Quick question; should we attempt to cause a major uprising leading to the former slaves enacting a "reign of terror" against those who were once their masters?
 
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