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Limited Ace Custom is the best for this MS the GM and Zaku fill the mass production run for now. I will work out a plan but am open to suggestions.
We Stand Against the Stars (Gundam/Macross)
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Derek58
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Wouldn't making the Gundam our Ace Custom be a better choice? I'm relatively confident that it's way better than the Zudah in every way.
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The Gundam is far too expensive to produce in any real numbers.
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The Gundam that exist right now is an expensive prototype, abet a very good one. Mass production Gundams are down the line, locked behind Beam Weapon miniaturization.
Edit: Ninja-ed, in my own thread no less.
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Derek58
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Right here is the Ace Custom High Mobility Type for the new Zudah. With limited and Ace combo we have a total of 2000 points for use because of the halving of cost. The current cost is 1550/775 out of 2000/1000
[] New MS designation: EMS-11 Zudah High Mobility Type
-[] Production type:
--[] Limited (1000 points)
-[] Use:
--[] Ace Custom (Requires Limited or Special, halves all cost)
-[] Parts:
--[] Performance: (can pick more than one)
---[] Saturn Engine 2.0 (cost 100)
---[] Extra Thrusters (Close Combat, cost 100)
---[] Minovsky Craft Drive (cost 300)
---[] Propellant Tank (cost 100)
--[] Armor:
---[] Heavy (cost 200)
-[] Weapon: (Can pick more than one)
--[] Standard
---[] NF·GMG-Type.37/100mm Machine Gun (cost 100)
---[] Heat Hawk (cost 30)
---[] Vulcan Gun (Fixed, cost 20)
--[] Anti-Ship
---[] YHI 6ML-79MM Missile Launcher (Fixed, cost 200)
--[] Sniper
---[] NFHI·GMCa-type.09/180mm Cannon (cost 200)
--[] Mic. (Can pick more than one)
---[] Shoulder Shield (Free)
---[] Recon Package (cost 200)
[] New MS designation: EMS-11 Zudah High Mobility Type
-[] Production type:
--[] Limited (1000 points)
-[] Use:
--[] Ace Custom (Requires Limited or Special, halves all cost)
-[] Parts:
--[] Performance: (can pick more than one)
---[] Saturn Engine 2.0 (cost 100)
---[] Extra Thrusters (Close Combat, cost 100)
---[] Minovsky Craft Drive (cost 300)
---[] Propellant Tank (cost 100)
--[] Armor:
---[] Heavy (cost 200)
-[] Weapon: (Can pick more than one)
--[] Standard
---[] NF·GMG-Type.37/100mm Machine Gun (cost 100)
---[] Heat Hawk (cost 30)
---[] Vulcan Gun (Fixed, cost 20)
--[] Anti-Ship
---[] YHI 6ML-79MM Missile Launcher (Fixed, cost 200)
--[] Sniper
---[] NFHI·GMCa-type.09/180mm Cannon (cost 200)
--[] Mic. (Can pick more than one)
---[] Shoulder Shield (Free)
---[] Recon Package (cost 200)
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I am waiting on people to see and comment on changes or different loadouts. For the weapons I went with ones that the Federation makes already so we can rely on our own manufacturing base instead of importing from others. It should also produce jobs and economic development for our own people.
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So I found out why the cost was different from when I wrote it down on paper and the posted plan. I forgot to add the Anti-Ship weapon. I am going with the YHI 6ML-79MM Missile Launcher since it is fixed and doesn't require a extra hand.
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The weapons are the weapons it's designed to use. I wouldn't expect any machine to be able to wield all that at once. Excluding a few.
Edit: Only meant for that to be one quote.
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Yeah I know but I like the fixed missile launcher more than the bazooka. It was also missing when I posted the plan up because I had it written out on my notebook and the numbers didn't add up. It was a simple mistake that I overlooked it and increased the cost of another both on the note book so I posted the plan incomplete. This way the Zudah always has anti-ship capabilities and can still fight with the weapon it is loaded out with.
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Looking over the available options, i think that loadout works quite well as an Ace Custom until we can mass produce the Gundam. It has good armor, lots of mobility, and a weapon for whatever role the ace piloting it needs.
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Aside from the fixed missile launcher which can be added to any mission loadout the rest of the weapons are meant to be used I'm certain types of missions.
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So you'd think, but the Gundam is actually slower than the Zudah.
Also technically this should be the EMS-4 because the 10 is a very minor refit Zeon did during the late part of the War and thus also the Saturn Engine should be called the Jupiter, but that's definitely a nitpick of my part.
Also, surprised we can put any kind of Minovsky Drive on a Mobile Suit, I suppose that's a result of our ayy research. What, uh, would that actually do for us? I assume they're like the White Base's and would let us do controlled reentry and propellant free floating in atmosphere, which is situational if we're trying to mostly fight in space but still pretty neat.
As for this design, we have juuuuust enough points to get both Super-Heavy Armour and a Zaku Bazooka for if we need extra anti-ship firepower. My hope is that Super-Heavy Armour is actually not much more massive than Heavy, but instead incorporated Lunar Titanium elements. Otherwise it'd mess up the design's speed and may not be worth it.
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Heavy is Lunar Titanium, Super-heavy would be like the beam-armor on the Alex or the armor on the Nuke Gundam from Stardust.
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Okay so not worth it. Chobham Alex and GP02 are fine machines, but speedy they are not.
[X] New MS designation: RX-4 Gunzud
-[X] Production type:
--[X] Limited (1000 points)
-[X] Use:
--[X] Ace Custom (Requires Limited or Special, halves all cost)
-[X] Parts:
--[X] Performance: (can pick more than one)
---[X] Saturn Engine 2.0 (cost 100)
---[X] Extra Thrusters (Close Combat, cost 100)
---[X] Minovsky Craft Drive (cost 300)
---[X] Propellant Tank (cost 100)
--[X] Armor:
---[X] Heavy (cost 200)
-[X] Weapon: (Can pick more than one)
--[X] Standard
---[X] NF·GMG-Type.37/100mm Machine Gun (cost 100)
---[X] Heat Hawk (cost 30)
---[X] Vulcan Gun (Fixed, cost 20)
--[X] Anti-Ship
---[X] BLASH HB-L-03/N-STD Hyper Bazooka (cost 200)
---[X] YHI 6ML-79MM Missile Launcher (Fixed, cost 200)
---[X] 3-tube Missile Pod (Fixed, cost 150)
--[X] Sniper
---[X] NFHI·GMCa-type.09/180mm Cannon (cost 200)
--[X] Misc. (Can pick more than one)
---[X] FADEGEL RGM-M-Sh-003 Shield (cost 50)
---[X] Shoulder Shield (Free)
---[X] Recon Package (cost 200)
Total Cost: 975/1,000.
Based on the EMS-11 above, behold, the ultimate in ass kicking machinery. With top tier weapons and defences across the board without sacrificing significant speed, this is the fastest, best armoured, and best armed Mobile Suit in the system. Well, technically the other Gun-series units bar the Gundam have better firepower (unless the Gundam has a beam rifle in which case also better firepower) but we can discount those.
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Super heavy requires special and the reason not to add all the weapons is because it adds redundant systems. Why have several different weapon systems that all do the same thing when you can have a set to simplify your logistics and because you can't go out with all the weapons anyways. That is why my plan only has the ones it did there was no need for any more that would not add anything and are the same weapons as the GM so we can keep a simple supply chain.
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Here is the plan to vote. @manofjay what would using lunar titanium do to the ability to produce them will they be low numbers if we use them like that? If yes then I am switching to medium-heavy armor instead since the whole point of this is that we can build a lot of them a a reasonable price.
The current cost is 1750/875 out of 2000/1000
[X] New MS designation: EMS-11 Zudah High Mobility Type
-[X] Production type:
--[X] Limited (1000 points)
-[X] Use:
--[X] Ace Custom (Requires Limited or Special, halves all cost)
-[X] Parts:
--[X] Performance: (can pick more than one)
---[X] Saturn Engine 2.0 (cost 100)
---[X] Extra Thrusters (Close Combat, cost 100)
---[X] Minovsky Craft Drive (cost 300)
---[X] Propellant Tank (cost 100)
--[X] Armor:
---[X] Heavy (cost 200)
-[X] Weapon: (Can pick more than one)
--[X] Standard
---[X] NF·GMG-Type.37/100mm Machine Gun (cost 100)
---[X] Heat Hawk (cost 30)
---[X] Vulcan Gun (Fixed, cost 20)
--[X] Anti-Ship
---[X] YHI 6ML-79MM Missile Launcher (Fixed, cost 200)
---[X] BLASH HB-L-03/N-STD Hyper Bazooka (cost 200)
--[X] Sniper
---[X] NFHI·GMCa-type.09/180mm Cannon (cost 200)
--[X] Mic. (Can pick more than one)
---[X] Shoulder Shield (Free)
---[X] Recon Package (cost 200)
The current cost is 1750/875 out of 2000/1000
[X] New MS designation: EMS-11 Zudah High Mobility Type
-[X] Production type:
--[X] Limited (1000 points)
-[X] Use:
--[X] Ace Custom (Requires Limited or Special, halves all cost)
-[X] Parts:
--[X] Performance: (can pick more than one)
---[X] Saturn Engine 2.0 (cost 100)
---[X] Extra Thrusters (Close Combat, cost 100)
---[X] Minovsky Craft Drive (cost 300)
---[X] Propellant Tank (cost 100)
--[X] Armor:
---[X] Heavy (cost 200)
-[X] Weapon: (Can pick more than one)
--[X] Standard
---[X] NF·GMG-Type.37/100mm Machine Gun (cost 100)
---[X] Heat Hawk (cost 30)
---[X] Vulcan Gun (Fixed, cost 20)
--[X] Anti-Ship
---[X] YHI 6ML-79MM Missile Launcher (Fixed, cost 200)
---[X] BLASH HB-L-03/N-STD Hyper Bazooka (cost 200)
--[X] Sniper
---[X] NFHI·GMCa-type.09/180mm Cannon (cost 200)
--[X] Mic. (Can pick more than one)
---[X] Shoulder Shield (Free)
---[X] Recon Package (cost 200)
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[X] New MS designation: EMS-11 Zudah High Mobility Type
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Since there is no war on Von Braun can throw it's full weight behind you so you have plenty. The version of Lunar Titanium your using is expensive however.
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[X] New MS designation: EMS-11 Zudah High Mobility Type
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Oh it actually does I missed that. My bad, and I said it would be a bad idea in the end anyway.
And I'll point out that the GM does have the Hyper Bazooka, which we can afford with your plan, so the supply chain isn't complicated. I guess I understand not including the 3-tube missile launcher and the shield, but we can at least include that. In fact, the H. Bazooka is significantly more common than either the 180mm sniper cannon or the fixed missile launcher.
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Would switching to the tier below heavy increase the production rate by a lot? Price would definitely go down but I want to make these MS the ones used by a large amount of our pilots.