I suspect that a Templar of Sigmar who just slaughtered a peasant rebellion against an unjust lord without meaning to would feel a bit more than confusion, maybe remorse or horror. They are pretty inured to killing cultists, necromancers and such but I imagine it would be a gut punch to find out 'no this time is was just hungry peasants'.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I suspect that a Templar of Sigmar who just slaughtered a peasant rebellion against an unjust lord without meaning to would feel a bit more than confusion, maybe remorse or horror. They are pretty inured to killing cultists, necromancers and such but I imagine it would be a gut punch to find out 'no this time is was just hungry peasants'.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Which would be another point against it when the Empire starts considering whether it's worth cleaning up the Border Princes. Us becoming Border Princess and giving a centralized government to said malcontents probably would have brought on backlash from the Empire against us.
I do not think the nobles of the Empire are actually conscious of wider socio-political trends and even if they were these are feudal lords, they would see bringing more land under the dominion of the empire as an inherent good and more angry peasants as a reason to stomp on them harder.
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- Norway
Malcontents fleeing to the border princes probably wouldn't settle in a territory ruled by an imperial shadowmancer. Most of the people we would have gotten in that negaverse quest would probably be people who find the protection of Barak Varr attractive, who want to live on top of the silk road, and who don't otherwise have any problems with the empire.
ShyPerson
Guardian of the dead’s final rest.
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- Sweden
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Hardly. The choice we got was about securing a specific part of the region. The rest of it would have stayed loose and open for malcontents. Besides it was a project sponsored by the king of Barak Varr. Any noble whose sense has not been ruined by inbreeding should know you don't invite dwarven wrath by touching their protectorates.
Thr number of wizards is tiny and the leg up being a wizard provides means the resentment will be almost nonexistent overall.
The College Debt/modern debt analogy is apt in that having good employment prospects makes a pretty massive difference in how debts are perceived. If the average wizard can repay in a decade whilst living well and then keep raking in a lot money well... debt isn't that bad.
You're massively overestimating just how much the Border Princes woulf have to be built up to even be worth conquering. Realistically getting under the Empire's protection would have been a massive boon compared to the alternative of being whittled down by Waaaghs.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
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- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
The existing ones would still be there though. At least at first.
- Location
- Leeds
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I don't think Pratchett was a writer for 2nd edition RP.This sounds like something from a Terry Pratchett story.
(Would have been a hell of a thing if he was)
The mainstream Cult of Sigmar take on that would be that rebelling against Sigmar's Holy Empire is wrong and worthy of punishment, but so is misrule that instigates such a rebellion. A Templar has a word with a Prelate who has a word with a Lector and the wheels begin to turn. The path that punishment take is a lot gentler than the one the peasants got because at the end of the day this is still a late feudal power structure, and there's certainly a lack of righteous schadenfreude when a noble one step up has a private talk with the misruler and then they just happen to pass power on to a suitable heir and retire to live out their life in luxury... but it is the sort of thing that those in power take note of if they want to remain in power, and the world becomes very slightly better and the Empire very slightly more stable.
Of course that doesn't satisfy all Templars who have an 'are we the baddies' moment, and each of them will deal with it in their own way. Some might even go on to form the core of a new would-be revolution.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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- At Home
It isn't accurate to call the Empire feudal. A feudal system is not one that supports professional standing armies sworn to the state (State Troops), rather than forces levied by each individual land-owning noble in times of war. It has holdovers from that system, certainly, but to label it as purely feudal would be oversimplifying things.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I don't think it'd be accurate to call the Empire any one thing.
Every province is different in that regard.
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I was under the impression that there was some piece of canon somewhere that says the only reason they aren't going through a full agricultural revolution led by Nuln engineers is because nobles are consciously aware that it would destabilise their power.
The Empire is late rather than early feudal, yes it has state troops, but most of the men under arms are still nobles' retainers. Yes it has towns and a budding burgher class but most of the GDP is still peasants harvesting their crops under the eye of those same local lords.
That seems unlikely, I mean it would imply an unreasonable degree of class consciousness and foresight among the aristocracy. After all the immediate effects of an agricultural revolution would me more money for all of them. You do not see the cracks until you are quite a ways in. It does sound like the kind of thing Tzeench would spread around in order to stop positive change so then he can then tempt ambitious peasants with 'so about those tentacles?'
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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It seems quite likely to me that Mathilde will see an industrial revolution within her lifetime. All the pieces for one exist actually more pieces exist then we had in our own history before our industrial revolution.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
There's no net energy positive feedback loop from coal mining to be had, which is what really pushed the Industrial Revolution. Peat-coal might get you similar energy densities when you're done processing it, but its production isn't adding as much net energy to civilization with each production cycle, nor does it benefit as directly as coal mining does from improvements to water pumps and traction engines pulling cartloads of coal up from the bed. There's also no enclosure crisis pumping cities with dirt-cheap labor to stuff into the deathtrap factories, nor long-haul high-volume intercontinental textiles trade to maximize the value of highly concentrated production.
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- Location
- Oklahoma
That depends very much on what her lifetime is. It could be anywhere from 'a year from now' to actually immortal'.
Like, theoretically she could see the space age in her lifetime.
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Warhammer also has a transportation situation that makes the railroad dead on arrival, we have talked about this before. Beast herds can't do much to a dirt road, but they can break a railroad all too easily. It is just not economical and never will be.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I think the Empire river system has enough going for it to compensate. Even more-so once the canals are done.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Early industrialization relied on canals, not railroads. Those are a lot harder to destroy.
This is one of those things that gets repeated a lot, and as far as I can tell the original source of it is a mention in the 2e Career Compendium of one ageing Professor of the School of Engineering who wrote a treatise in the 2520s about how they should turn their attention to labour-saving devices, and the school suppressed it out of fear of it causing a Luddite-esque rebellion against them. This has been inflated over a great deal of retelling into an Empire-wide conspiracy amongst the nobility to deliberately suppress the agricultural revolution, instead of a kneejerk internal response to a single treatise by a risk-averse academic institution.
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Yeah, you're basically looking at mine-to-smelter-to-foundry-to-riverport as your only even remotely feasible rails, since they'll have heavy enough traffic to just augment as patrols. Even then, you'll need to put in a lot more work to making sure the line is secure than you'd ever have needed IRL.
Absolutely this. Railroads are a consequence of industrialisation, not a cause. Canals came first, linking raw resources to population centres, where they were processed, and then linking those products to trade centres. Canals were eventually replaced by railways, which often followed the same routes as the canals.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
@BoneyM, I had a question that came up after some rereading on Cython's remarks on magical immortality. When it talked about being a parent and siring children, it always spoke in past tense. It also implied some measure of gender-fluidity once it became "a being of light and magic" rather than just simple flesh.
This leaves me unsure about one point - does attuning to the Winds of Magic reduce one's fertility or restrict the available methods for reproduction? Because such beings have transcended their mortal coils and thus it isn't necessarily as straightforward anymore. Is Cython still capable of reproduction or has it "moved past such things" as a consequence of its transformation, so to speak?
This leaves me unsure about one point - does attuning to the Winds of Magic reduce one's fertility or restrict the available methods for reproduction? Because such beings have transcended their mortal coils and thus it isn't necessarily as straightforward anymore. Is Cython still capable of reproduction or has it "moved past such things" as a consequence of its transformation, so to speak?
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Mathilde hasn't asked. Since she's opted against pursuing a relationship with Cython, it's not really her business.