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I...I don't think there is a magic for this? Necromancy won't help with this one.
I technically never said we could do it unrestrained by the articles eitherAmongst the Skaven we found an organ vat that was by some theorised to be a cloning vat. In theory, we could've used it's no doubt Dhar-powered secrets to make an infinite pile of Panoramia clones.

Which would have had the added benefit of counting as a compromise between those who wanted Mathilde in polyamorous relationship and those who wanted Mathilde in monogamous relationships.
 
[X] Plan Slacking with Shrooms
-[X] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] DUCK: Attempt to recruit someone into the research branch of WEB-MAT: Adela
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Cult of Karnos, Talabecland)
-[X] Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[X] Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[X] Investigate the possibility of using one Wind to directly manipulate another.
-[X] Attempt to recruit Egrimm van Horstmann into WEB-MAT
--[X] COIN: Gambler
-[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[X] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold


[X] Plan Efficiency, EIC, and Divine Vitae
[X] Plan Efficiency, EIC, and a Thurible
[X] Plan Efficiency, EIC, and Swords

A part of me wants to Investigate the Lhune Depths, but as a narrative adventure and not because it's our job. I doubt one AP when there are so many other narratively busy things going on is going to give me the satisfaction I desire.
[X] [KAU] In Karag Zilfin, just below Cython's territory

And Belegar has stated very very clearly that this borderline "makework". My takeaway was that due to cultural reasons, he has to give his loremaster something to do.


Not the most efficient in terms of AP as there are two Duck actions and two EIC actions, but considering that we're running a -10 to all rolls & I have zero interest in doing the scouting, this plan addresses my desires the most.
 
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So I want to do Windshrooms now, because otherwise we're not going to do it for years, and leaving our project with Panoramia half-completed indefinitely is likely to result in her just publishing our initial results herself, which defeats the purpose of being able to write the book about it.
Don't we have to build the towers first, and wait for the fungus to grow and be saturated first?

I don't think the remaining Shrooms will take so much effort to get the thread to complete: it doesn't have the pitfall of being a complete mysterybox, there's completionism in play because we already have half of it. I prefer to have it as the first WEB-MAT project (with Panoramia as a contributor): it is Immediate gratification, showing the worth of inter college cooperation. Something quick and easy to grease the wheels and get people enthusiastic about cooperation.

All our Multiwind projects are difficult, and won't have a very quick ROI:
- AV has a very limited supply, and is a total mysterybox
- Manipulate a wind without another wind. The list of people that could give this a fair shot is very short: Mathilde. Max is a newly minted Magister, and Johann has his disability with counterspelling, which might come into play here. If we get Horstmann, I'd give him similar odds to Mathilde at succeeding at it: he thinks he is at LM level of skill, and he's seen the Windfall. I doubt anyone with less than LM level of skill would have the finesse required to not mess up.
- Waystones are a Long term project

I'd rather get Adela onboard at the same time as Johann and Max (and hopefully Engrimm).
 
Lots of persuasive arguments over the last day. With the library location being split off into a separate vote the only deal breaker for plans is wasting an AP on the Lhune Depths. It is makework with no import or significance. Trying to 'overachieve' on it is even worse, as doing so would likely require multiple AP and multiple turns.
 
Don't we have to build the towers first, and wait for the fungus to grow and be saturated first?

I don't think the remaining Shrooms will take so much effort to get the thread to complete: it doesn't have the pitfall of being a complete mysterybox, there's completionism in play because we already have half of it. I prefer to have it as the first WEB-MAT project (with Panoramia as a contributor): it is Immediate gratification, showing the worth of inter college cooperation. Something quick and easy to grease the wheels and get people enthusiastic about cooperation.
Nope:
@BoneyM I suppose that if we take the [ ] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers in this turn we will be able to research with Pan the rest of the Mushrooms in this turn, no?
So we don't have to wait: we can finish Mushroom research ('shroomsearch, as the kids say) this turn if we take both actions. And it can't be a WEBMAT project until and unless Panoramia joins; I asked Boney and collaboration with a wizard outside of WEBMAT is going to become a personal action (full AP) instead of an organizational action (half-AP).
Once WEBMAT is set up and Duckling Club is no more, recruiting someone to WEBMAT would occupy one of the WEBMAT half-actions, and studying an artifact with someone within WEBMAT would as well, but studying an artifact with someone outside WEBMAT would be a personal action?
That's the current plan.
You can ask Boney if you want, but I don't think we can get around this by saying "oh, she's a contributor/visiting collaborator"; if we want to use wizards in our half-actions, we need them in our organization. So, while I agree that the Windshrooms are thematically apt for WEBMAT, remember that they are Panoramia's project that we've been allowed to get in on -- she's the one who harvested them and identified them as promising back during the initial K8P expedition. We can't work on it solo or with non-Panoramia people, because it's not our project.
 
Don't we have to build the towers first, and wait for the fungus to grow and be saturated first?
Boney confirmed that if we build the towers this turn we can do Pan's Mushroom without a problem

I did not say most of he things you are quoting me as saying.
quote []'s broken?
Yeah, I don't know what happened, I wanted to quote Redshirt Army and since I am in the phone I suppose that think mesded up something.
 
[]Plan: Jyn, AV, Tongs and Spells
-[ ] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[ ] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[ ] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[ ] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Talabecland Branch of the Cult of Kurnous)
-[ ] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
-[ ] Investigate the possibility of using one Wind to directly manipulate another.
--[ ] The Gambler
-[ ] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
-[ ] Seek any pre-Time of Woes information on the Lhune Depths that may have survived the Karak's fall
-[ ] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[ ] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers.
-[ ] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.

[]Plan: Jyn, AV, Spells and last job
-[ ] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[ ] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[ ] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[ ] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Talabecland Branch of the Cult of Kurnous)
-[ ] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
-[ ] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
--[ ] The Gambler
-[ ] Seek any pre-Time of Woes information on the Lhune Depths that may have survived the Karak's fall
-[ ] Organize and coordinate investigations by Miners and Prospectors and collate the information they gather into a unified map
-[ ] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[ ] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers.
-[ ] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.

[]Plan: Jyn, AV and Spells and Little girl
-[ ] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[ ] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[ ] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[ ] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Talabecland Branch of the Cult of Kurnous)
-[ ] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
--[ ] The Gambler
-[ ] Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[ ] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
-[ ] Seek any pre-Time of Woes information on the Lhune Depths that may have survived the Karak's fall
-[ ] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[ ] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers.
-[ ] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
 
[X] In Karag Zilfin, just below Cython's territory

[X] Plan New Foundations
-[X] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT (NEW)
-[X] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT (NEW)
-[X] DUCK: Attempt to recruit someone into the research branch of WEB-MAT (Who: Adela) (NEW)
-[X] EIC: Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[X] Gain enough control of your unruly shadow to still it temporarily.
-[X] Gain enough control of your attraction to smoke and gases to have it collect away from your face.
-[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
-[X] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
-[X] Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag (FRESH)
-[X] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers.
-[X] The Gambler: Paper

Since the Library was revelaed to be separate from the Plan I put the Coin on the Paper. I want to write a epic one so we can give another big lesson like the one from the WAAAAGH.
 
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[X] Plan Redshirt v3
-[X] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] DUCK: Attempt to recruit someone into the research branch of WEB-MAT: Adela
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Cult of Karnos, Talabecland)
-[X] Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[X] Organize and coordinate investigations by Miners and Prospectors and collate the information they gather into a unified map
-[X] Investigate the possibility of using one Wind to directly manipulate another.
-[X] Attempt to recruit Egrimm van Horstmann into WEB-MAT
--[X] COIN: Gambler
-[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[X] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold

[X] Plan Redshirt with Mushrooms
[X] Plan Slacking with Shrooms

[X] [KAU] In Kvinn-Wyr, with an entrance from the Eastern Valley
 
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[x] Plan Redshirt v3
-[x] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[x] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[x] DUCK: Attempt to recruit someone into the research branch of WEB-MAT: Adela
-[x] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Cult of Karnos, Talabecland)
-[x] Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[x] Organize and coordinate investigations by Miners and Prospectors and collate the information they gather into a unified map
-[x] Investigate the possibility of using one Wind to directly manipulate another.
-[x] Attempt to recruit Egrimm van Horstmann into WEB-MAT
--[x] COIN: Gambler
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold


[x] Plan Redshirt v3 with Mushrooms
-[x] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[x] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[x] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[x] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Cult of Karnos, Talabecland)
-[x] Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[x] Organize and coordinate investigations by Miners and Prospectors and collate the information they gather into a unified map
-[x] Investigate the possibility of using one Wind to directly manipulate another.
-[x] Attempt to recruit Egrimm van Horstmann into WEB-MAT
--[x] COIN: Gambler
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold
 
[x] Plan Redshirt with Mushrooms

[X] [KAU] In Kvinn-Wyr, with an entrance from the Eastern Valley
 
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[X]Plan: Jyn, AV, Tongs and Spells
-[X] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Talabecland Branch of the Cult of Kurnous)
-[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
-[X] Investigate the possibility of using one Wind to directly manipulate another.
--[X] The Gambler
-[X] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
-[X] Seek any pre-Time of Woes information on the Lhune Depths that may have survived the Karak's fall
-[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[X] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers.
-[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.

[X]Plan: Jyn, AV, Spells and last job
-[X] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Talabecland Branch of the Cult of Kurnous)
-[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
-[X] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
--[X] The Gambler
-[X] Seek any pre-Time of Woes information on the Lhune Depths that may have survived the Karak's fall
-[X] Organize and coordinate investigations by Miners and Prospectors and collate the information they gather into a unified map
-[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[X] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers.
-[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.

[X]Plan: Jyn, AV and Spells and Little girl
-[X] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Talabecland Branch of the Cult of Kurnous)
-[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
--[X] The Gambler
-[X] Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[X] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
-[X] Seek any pre-Time of Woes information on the Lhune Depths that may have survived the Karak's fall
-[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[X] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold: 300gc for four towers.
-[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.

[X] [KAU] In the Silver Tower, an ancient structure on the southwestern face of Karagril
 
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[X] Plan Redshirt v3

[X] Plan Redshirt with Mushrooms

[X] Plan Slacking with Shrooms
[X] [KAU] In the Silver Tower, an ancient structure on the southwestern face of Karagril
[X] [KAU] In Karag Zilfin, just below Cython's territory
[X] [KAU] The Lhune Depths, below Karag Lhune
[X] Plan Shrooming Shadow
[X] [KAU] In Kvinn-Wyr, with an entrance from the Eastern Valley
 
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[X] Plan Redshirt with Mushrooms
-[X] MAX: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] JOHANN: Recruit him into the research branch of WEB-MAT
-[X] DUCK: Continue to work with Panoramia with implementing the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Cult of Karnos, Talabecland)
-[X] Suggest Eike spend a few weeks in Karak Eight Peaks, so she can grow familiar with Dwarves and their ways.
-[X] Organize and coordinate investigations by Miners and Prospectors and collate the information they gather into a unified map
-[X] Investigate the possibility of using one Wind to directly manipulate another.
-[X] Attempt to recruit Egrimm van Horstmann into WEB-MAT
--[X] COIN: Gambler
-[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Daemonic Concealment of Karak Vlag
-[X] PENTHOUSE: Build a basic tower of single-Wind environments for each of the 'missing' Winds: Light, Amber, Amethyst, and Gold

Nudalit nudaled annudalit, Ekumgrik Roswita. Dawrik, ordohdrengi a Dawrik Belegar Angrund a Vala-Azril-Ungol.

@BoneyM, translation question:

My best stab at this is something along the lines of "(I hope you're having a) Good now, good recent past and good immediate future, Pain-in-the-neck-of-those-who descend-underground Roswita (Maybe a reference to her Sylvania campaign?). I'm a messenger (lit., 'stupidity-slayer'?) Of King Belegar, etc.

Somehow I don't think that's quite it though.

How close was I?

[X] [KAU] In the Silver Tower, an ancient structure on the southwestern face of Karagril
 
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Everybody, remember that the KAU location is no longer part of plan voting, so if you care about that you need to vote for it separately. I'm saying this because there are very few current votes for KAU location.
 
[X] [KAU] In Karag Nar, just below your Penthouse
Mathilde and her research institute will make the most use of the library. the location simply makes sense.
 
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