I agree. As far as I understand, that scenario is only likely to occur if we agree to help Heldi. Otherwise, in her own words: "If there was a vote tomorrow, it'd almost certainly be Grand Duke Feuerbach of Talabecland. Failing that, Hertwig or van Hal."
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I agree. As far as I understand, that scenario is only likely to occur if we agree to help Heldi. Otherwise, in her own words: "If there was a vote tomorrow, it'd almost certainly be Grand Duke Feuerbach of Talabecland. Failing that, Hertwig or van Hal."
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
If Ranald did choose to upgrade the Coin such that Mathilde could now keep two faces active at a time, how much of an upgrade would that actually be in practical terms?
It's set to Gambler 95% of the time. I'd guess that Protector would become the second default, as there are more opportunities for 'credit get' in an average turn than urban infiltration or lying. To the point that I feel the difference between 2/4 faces and 4/4 faces is so marginal that there's probably not a difference between them.
Is that better or worse than upgrading Gambler to give a slightly bigger boost while keeping it at 1/4?
It's set to Gambler 95% of the time. I'd guess that Protector would become the second default, as there are more opportunities for 'credit get' in an average turn than urban infiltration or lying. To the point that I feel the difference between 2/4 faces and 4/4 faces is so marginal that there's probably not a difference between them.
Is that better or worse than upgrading Gambler to give a slightly bigger boost while keeping it at 1/4?
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- Location
- Spain
The only problem that I have with Heidi is that whereas she is great at small doses I think it will be tiring to deal with her in a day to day basis.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Seems a bit too soon to say how grating or not she'll be in the day to day when we've never had a day to day with her. This all feels like another early Johann situation to me. Let's not jump to any conclusions again. If nothing else, let's at least trust Boney to write her as more than what she immediately appears as.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
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Belegar's current potential is limited by K8P's growth. Him wanting to make a difference beyond his hold in his lifetime is why he's considering having Mathilde as a roving trouble shooter instead of supporting other holds with troops or artisans or gold. The Karaz Ankor as a whole has expanded a lot of energy - primarily in reclaiming and fortifying Karak Eight Peaks and also in helping in the initial Sylvania campaign, digging the canal, preparing for the Dum expedition, etc.
Mandred has a lot more unrealised potential because Reikland hasn't really expanded much of its energy recently. A lot of provinces haven't. There's Stirland but that got partly countered by clearing up Sylvania, some tussles with Skaven and some regional trouble between Middenland and Nordland.
I've been struggling to keep up with the discussion, so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but can we recommend people for the jobs we don't take?
I'm specifically thinking of recommending Egrimm for the Bodyguard job (assuming we don't take it). He's competent, charismatic, intelligent and adventurous, and he has valid combat experience (slew a demon)—all requirements of the job, and Heidi has the authority to pull him away from Alric. Alric won't even be able to complain about losing his assistant because he'll be doing important liaison work between the collages and the Electors (something he might even try to take advantage of to become relevant again). Hell, this might be the push he needs to make Egrimm a Lord Magister. Can't have a non-lord near the Emperor's heir, can we?
Egrimm's also incredibly sus and I'm in love with the idea of putting him and Heidi in the same room together. They'll either team up and become super sus, or get locked in an endless round of spy vs spy. Also, the future Emperor, tutored by Egrim van Horstmann? What's the name of this quest again?
This is especially funny, because Mathilde has no IC knowledge to suspect Egrimm at all and I'm loving it.
I'm specifically thinking of recommending Egrimm for the Bodyguard job (assuming we don't take it). He's competent, charismatic, intelligent and adventurous, and he has valid combat experience (slew a demon)—all requirements of the job, and Heidi has the authority to pull him away from Alric. Alric won't even be able to complain about losing his assistant because he'll be doing important liaison work between the collages and the Electors (something he might even try to take advantage of to become relevant again). Hell, this might be the push he needs to make Egrimm a Lord Magister. Can't have a non-lord near the Emperor's heir, can we?
Egrimm's also incredibly sus and I'm in love with the idea of putting him and Heidi in the same room together. They'll either team up and become super sus, or get locked in an endless round of spy vs spy. Also, the future Emperor, tutored by Egrim van Horstmann? What's the name of this quest again?
This is especially funny, because Mathilde has no IC knowledge to suspect Egrimm at all and I'm loving it.
I do not think Hedi would want a light mage, they tend to be rather uncompromising when it comes to the kind of skullduggery she gets up to. If Ulgu is shades of grey than Hysh is black and white in terms of mentality.
Potential overall or for the Waystones project specifically?
In terms of troops, I agree.
In terms of gold? I don't know, Belegar's hold might be wealthier than several Empire provinces combined. Empire might be better at this, I guess.
In terms of magical knowledge/power? I don't know who would be of better use: the Colleges or the runesmiths of Belegar's hold. And who would be able to influence their mages/runesmiths more, the emperor or Belegar? Especially if we consider their additional influence on top of our own? I think it's Belegar. Because we already have a direct presence in the Colleges and able to get favors directly there, with Emperor not being able to change our influence in a decisive fashion. With runesmiths, it's Belegar only, I think.
This is great, I think. More fun to do this and see how it works out than tutoring/bodyguarding the child ourselves.
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Egrimm's not completely squeaky clean.
He recognises and prays to Ranald when he needs to, which begs the question what did he do that he needed to "cross his fingers" for? I doubt it was for a good hand in a card game or a lucky dice roll.
Also, the Bodyguard job explicitly has a lack of skullduggery in it's description. It's about favours and goodwill and building connections, and a light wizard, especially one as charismatic as Egrimm, will be very good in that role. Sure, it's about turning that goodwill into viable political influence for a specific candidate, but that's just regular political horsetrading and if Abelheim had survived we would almost certainly be doing the same thing to make him Emperor (alas, I weep for the future that can never be).
No. They all have their own processes for deciding who they're going to approach with the job.
Oh well, worth a try.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
For some reason I could strangely see Anton as Governer of Swamp Town as something that works.
Might be because he already has experience reeling in an alien and/or reptillian beings...
Might be because he already has experience reeling in an alien and/or reptillian beings...
Thats simply not true however, because part of the job is security of the Emperor and the Imperial Family.
Unless you're saying that Luitpold is more likely to die simply from taking Mathilde as a bodyguard.
I mean that if we don't take the job and Luitpold dies early, it is unlikely that too young Mandred becomes new Emperor. Instead, it's Feuerbach or Hetwig or Roswita who becomes new Emperor. All being okay options as far as I'm concerned.
- Location
- Finland
How about we don't give near free access to the emperors son to a possible chaos cultist.
Also he lacks the main qualification to the job, being known and trusted by Heidi.
Please tell me more.
Omegahugger is referring to the time Anton snagged Asarnil and Deathfang for the Purge campaign.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Pretty much everyone prays to Ranald when they need a bit of luck. They just don't worship him as their primary God. He is, at least in this quest, possibly the most widely worshipped God around.
That's why we should make him a Ranald cultist first! It's the perfect plan that can't ever possibly backfire!
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
All right nerds, here we go. Whatever happens, it's a pleasure questing with you.
My effortpost on the options, for reference
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Seeking adventure as the second coming of Nagash, searching for ways to overcome the final enemy of life.
My effortpost on the options, for reference
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Seeking adventure as the second coming of Nagash, searching for ways to overcome the final enemy of life.
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Mellomania
Kitten ^_^
- Location
- Meow
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] The Waystone Project
- Location
- USA
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[x] Research Sabbatical
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[x] Research Sabbatical