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He also took his position at the Light College back from the person who replaced him which has lead to a weird political situation in the college now.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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He was the person in charge when the night of a thousand arcane duels, prevented from at least ending it because he was locked in a crystal and instead of quietly retiring he kept going on inertia. Now he's in a see-saw with another LM for patriarch position.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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As far as I know, he wasn't actually replaced after the Night. He does trade off the leading of the Light College with a colleague of his called Mira, but why that is is unknown. It could be because the College is split between supporting Mira or Alric (which Alric's comments about using Horstmann to address internal matters points to) or it could be because he's old, or it could be a stress thing.
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No, we're explicitly allowed to work with them. We're just not allowed to directly hire them.
If "having non-Imperial magic users on the payroll" is a requirement, then yes. But when did that turn into a thing? I thought the research institute was to research stuff, not to try to play pokemon with types of magic users.
This is what BoneyM complains about when he says people seem to have different ideas in their heads. To me there's nothing about "Research Institute" that says "hire non-College magic users".
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To be fair, that wasn't totally his fault.
The feeling I got is that people don't like him because he's clinging on to his post when everyone but him can see that he's not fit for the job and should just retire already. He's old, stubborn, and is probably not quite all there mentally anymore. Engrimm specifically is being used as a prop to keep him there, which is equivalent to chaining his career to a rock. I can totally understand any resentment he has about it.
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Not A Nice Person At All
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Because every time shit has gone completely wrong, Rite of Way hasn't helped, and the last update with it had it being an issue of diminishing returns compared to literally anything else we could be doing.
It might prove absolutely critical to survival next update, but as a rule our brains aren't wired to really believe that.
Also, shinies and Social Activity![/Abridged Piccolo]
The Cython I know would have no interest in cooperating with other magic users for any purpose whatsoever because they're absolutely convinced of their on superiority.
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Spelunking in the unknown depths beneath Karag Nar was it? Heck ja!
Could be an extended Loremaster duty interspersed between other projects maybe if that's not too radical.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Oh there were other people whose fault it was too, but by the end of the Night most of them were dead. And it's the SP's explicit job to resolve disputes between the Colleges, which is half the reason the Night kicked off, every College had an axe to grind.
I'm not sure how true this is. There's only minimal evidence. Horstmann seems resentful he's been forced to play errand boy, not that he's trapped with his mentor's failing career.
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We should see what they offer us before buying it, and I want to get runes on every Kickflip gun we buy from them
We should also consider that it is quite likely that we would end up the expedition with a major boon from Vlag... So we mea yend up funding the research institute with a Dwarf boon instead of a great deed
Ok, that's not true.
Boney has all but said it's avoided a lot of rolls completely.
As in we didn't have to roll because it was up.
It's really good, it's just not perfect for when things get really bad.
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The important question we need to answer is "are we going to fill our Ranged slot with a pair of kickflip rune revolvers, or with a kickflip rune marksdwarf pistol?" Because those fill different tactical roles: the revolvers increase our damage at short range, and the marksdwarf pistol is a long-range sniping tool limited only by our skill.
I'm kind of more interested in the marksdwarf pistol, since we've got lots of tools for short range: dueling a champion of Khorne is basically the only scenario where "revolver" is a better option than "cast Shadow Knives for damage and weave in a Smoke and Mirrors cast for a free teleport." But maybe I'm missing something important?
To be fair, I think the thread has been a little optimistic about getting foreign magic users to come to K8P for purposes of research under any circumstances. Even if Belegar tried to hire them, his best contacts are with... the Empire. Many foreign magic users have a religious vocation and/or ties to their homelands and/or understandable reluctance to chance foreign magic users getting any of their secrets.
Maybe in the future, if the Research Institute develops a good reputation and has some notable successes and a track record to point to, that could change. I don't expect it starting out. Right now it's, "You want me to go where?!" territory.
On another topic....
We keep calling it the research institute, but it would need an actual formal name.
Worlds Beyond Research Institute
Eh? Eh?
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Him being forced to play errand boy is what's keeping him from advancing, at least that's probably what he thinks (we don't know the full details to say for sure). He's got talent and experience, he'd probably be doing something cool with it if he had the chance. Instead he's being kept in Altdorf to help his former master.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Sure, but that doesn't automatically mean that Alric is believed to be failing. He keeps getting to be the MP after all. Plus, Horstmann actually noted that he was worried Alric was deliberately blocking his advancement so he could be kept around. That's not exactly indicative that being associated with Alric is inherently destroying Horstmann's career (also there's no evidence that this is actually happening, it could just be Horstmann worrying over nothing). If we assume Alric isn't actually in a bad place career-wise, then it seems more likely he's grooming Horstmann for a particular position within the College, one which requires a great deal of contact with other Light Wizards.
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Not A Nice Person At All
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It certainly feels true to some though.
Me, I did a very fuzzy mental risk rewards calculation using imaginary crayon, and decided RoW wasn't a priority. If I'm wrong, I've got the condiments ready to choke down crow.
Any sufficiently Winds unfriendly environment would make a backup plan good, and it might as well be the best backup plan we can contrive.
Might not happen that often, or at all. But we weren't expecting a Khorne Champion with enough direct investment to no-sell Kragg the Grim, so...
Basically you're not wrong, but in the finest thread tradition of building the Maginot line around the barn post great livestock escape, it might not matter depending on how the thread zeitgeist evolves.
I mean... the slot is for a ranged weapon, not gun or bow...
I would really like to think outside the box on this one (laxer pen? Floating shadow orbs of death... would an magic enchanted Attack Owl/robot owl count as a 'range' Attack?) Im just not sure what...
I just feel like enchanting a gun is missing an opportunity to be Mathy 'why not fight dragon with dragon' Weber.
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That's true in the abstract. But I feel like in the short/medium term, runing up some kickflip guns is our best investment, because we have Dwarf Favour coming out of our ears and the same is not true for College Favour or AP. We don't have to marry what we put in there -- it's not gonna be a new Branulhune -- but it's a strict upgrade over what we've already got and it's basically free, so why not?
The Abelhelmeid
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Arms, and the man I sing, who, forc'd by fate,
And careless Electors' words of weight,
Bold and bound, came to the Stir's shore.
Long labours, both by sword and wit, he bore,
And in the doubtful war, before he won
The Sylvanian realm, and reclaimed the curs'd town;
His banish'd kin restor'd to rights divine,
And settled sure succession in his line,
From whence the face of Stirland's Counts come,
And the long glories of Van Hals' home.
O Sigmar! the causes and the crimes relate;
What plot was provok'd, and whence his fate;
For what offence the God of Empire began
To abandon so brave, so just a man;
Involv'd his anxious life in endless cares,
Expos'd to wants, and hurried into wars!
Can heav'nly minds such high resentment show,
Or exercise their spite in human woe?
Source Credit: The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Aeneid, by Virgil
Did somebody say Aeneid-like fanfiction?
Did somebody say Aeneid-like fanfiction?
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That's valid. I was just getting the reading off what Mathilde knows:
This is his reputation from the outside. The last part is the most relevant for what I was saying. He's either too stubborn to let go and is handing off responsibility when he's in a state where he can't handle it or he's actively fighting with a rival to the point that he's playing see-saw with the position. Both make him look weak enough that there's probably better candidates to take the job full time.
Either way, this:
Tells me that, no matter the truth, it's what Engrimm believes is a possibility. And at the end of the day, the truth doesn't matter as much as what is perceived to be the truth.
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I think that you are missing that if we really want a long range snipping tool it would be FAR, FAR, FAR more cost effective to get us a Dwarven crossbow and rune the hell up of it, since, as confirmed by Boney a 25 DF crossbow would be a ranged equivalent to Branhulde, and not a simple and straight upgrade like what Runes can achieve on guns instead of more traditional weapons.
If we are not doing that, then we should get us a pair of Kickflip revolvers and put runes on them, that would be an straight upgrade of what we have now, but a Runic Marksdwarf pistol would always be an inferior alternative to a much more effective weapon that would fill the snipping role.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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This is all also being read through Mathilde's POV though, and she's massively paranoid. This stuff could pretty easily have explanations that aren't anywhere near what she was thinking, but Mathilde tends to jump to conclusions about what she sees that she only reevaluates after launching an actual investigation. The Light College might be doing the two leaders thing to provide training for when Alric fully retires, or dies. Or it could be Alric being worried that he'll get jumped again and wanting an obvious leader if he's out of the picture. Or Mira could be the person that should be running the College, but she's like Mathy and wants to go have adventures instead so she keeps ditching the job and Alric takes over while she's gone. External pictures are liable to flaws, is the point I'm trying to make.
Eh, you're not totally wrong, but it still doesn't make the point that being used to help Alric with internal Light College matters is actually hurting Egrimm's career, it just means Egrimm thinks Alric might be keeping him back because he's useful. That only matters to Egrimm personally and doesn't necessarily reflect Alric or anyone else's opinion. And while that might matter to the question of whether Egrimm falls to Chaos or not, it doesn't necessarily mean Alric's career is failing, even if Horstmann has every right to be annoyed about it (although honestly an actual conversation between the two of them could probably solve the whole issue).
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Joke's on them, Olympic pistol shooting is only out to 25 meters.