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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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1000 gold is not a rounding error. That description is farcically wrong. Buying the acorn as a gift is a really dumb idea. Theres a reason the cdwarfs didnt want to trade in wood elf items. Buying the acorn basically paints a target on Pan for no real benefit.

Lastly spending a third of our money the first chance we get to give as a gift isn't just wasteful its kind of nuts, lets not be a simp eh? Thoughtful gifts are one thing but this is just silly.
 
we're obviously not going to just plant the Acorn without working out what it is first.
Potentially it could cause issues with the wood elves, but we could also work out what it is and return it, or give it to the elves of Laurelorn.

Really we just need to be careful, but we've handled much more dangerous things before, like the liber mortis.
 
ReImagined said:
Folks, something to keep in mind - When Mathilde took down Alkharad, one of the things we picked was 'detailed trade ledgers' and a bunch of people got burned at the stake for trading with vampires. Buying stuff here seems... not dissimilar. As in, this kind of 'buying stuff from our enemies' sounds like exactly the sort of thing the Grey Order should be rooting out, not facilitating ourselves. I understand that artifacts are shiny, but let's not do more than what we ostensibly came here to do.
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Those vampires were directly harming the Empire at the time. It's the difference between buying stuff from Russians now, and doing it during the Cold War when they're operating in a shady part of an American city and killing other Americans on the side, as an American.

No offense to any Russians.
 
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TheOmnimercurial said:
We may only be able to save 1 or 2 Slaves and safely leave with them on our Shadow Steed, but it is better to save even 1 than to save none.
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The issue is that we'd be "saving" them to a mission into the depths of the chaos wastes where they'd have a strong chance of dying, and we'd be doing it by giving slavers money and more incentive to catch more slaves.

If we're going to try and save slaves we do it on the way out, when we're not saving them from the frying pan and planning on carrying them into an inferno.
 
Hall of slaves: No. Too much potential damage for too little potential reward.

Nut: Yes. I suspect it's not in all that much danger. At worst we send a couple Winter Wolves back with it. It's a great gift for Panoramia, even if all she does is send it straight back to its owners.

Arm: No opinion. Could be cool, could be risky.

Papers: Yes. Plot hook for elfcation, no risk of contamination, RARE BOOK.
 
ReImagined said:
Folks, something to keep in mind - When Mathilde took down Alkharad, one of the things we picked was 'detailed trade ledgers' and a bunch of people got burned at the stake for trading with vampires. Buying stuff here seems... not dissimilar. As in, this kind of 'buying stuff from our enemies' sounds like exactly the sort of thing the Grey Order should be rooting out, not facilitating ourselves. I understand that artifacts are shiny, but let's not do more than what we ostensibly came here to do.
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We are a Grey Lord Magister. We are expected nay encouraged to go to shady markets and buy stuff, as long as it does not itself interfere with the Articles of Magic. No Wapstone, no Dhar, no problem. Hell we could probably get away with buying a Chaos Grimoire. That lore back at the Colleges had to come from somewhere. Not that I want to do it, but we have long since outgrown 'what will people think of us' as an excuse. Random Stirlander merchants we are not.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
1000 gold is not a rounding error. That description is farcically wrong. Buying the acorn as a gift is a really dumb idea. Theres a reason the cdwarfs didnt want to trade in wood elf items. Buying the acorn basically paints a target on Pan for no real benefit.

Lastly spending a third of our money the first chance we get to give as a gift isn't just wasteful its kind of nuts, lets not be a simp eh? Thoughtful gifts are one thing but this is just silly.
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Personally I'm not thinking of it in terms of a romantic gift. I'm thinking of it in terms of "would this be useful to the Colleges?"
 
Phalfpipe said:
As for the slave market, that's fucking grim, but forget dreams of rescuing a VIP Elf prince or whatever, I think freeing anyone at all would be worth it. I know there's nothing in there that we want to see, but following Ranald isn't just about getting magic coins and puppies, and it seems to me that just walking away from their suffering would be like blasphemy for her.
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Barring the extremely unlikely case of being able to afford to purchase all non-evil slaves on sale, going in there is just going to either leave Mathilde endangering the expedition by doing something risky or spiritually unsettled while on her way to the Chaos Wastes:
BoneyM said:
- The phrase 'no harm in looking' should be avoided when debating the Hall of Slaves. Mathilde is a strongly moral person in her own way, and she follows the God of freedom from tyranny. What she sees could leave her unbalanced for some time. It could leave a permanent mark on her. It could put her in a position where she has to choose between choosing to do something risky and/or expensive and/or strategically unsound, or being unable to look at herself in a mirror.
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Derpmind said:
Damn, you're right. She can hide her actions behind her pseudonym thanks to the Protector. Well, much as I know the thread will super-extra-never go for it, I won't be a hypocrite. I'll vote to visit the slave halls with the specific intention of making Gabriella von Ernachthafen an enemy of the Dawi-Zharr.
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The way the protector works, any slaves she freed would know that "Gabriella von Ernachthafen" selflessly rescued them. The Chaos Dwarfs would not get a Ranald-o-gram informing them of this sent to their brains, and would probably deduce the most likely source of a do-gooder around here.

ReImagined said:
Folks, something to keep in mind - When Mathilde took down Alkharad, one of the things we picked was 'detailed trade ledgers' and a bunch of people got burned at the stake for trading with vampires. Buying stuff here seems... not dissimilar. As in, this kind of 'buying stuff from our enemies' sounds like exactly the sort of thing the Grey Order should be rooting out, not facilitating ourselves. I understand that artifacts are shiny, but let's not do more than what we ostensibly came here to do.
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Better than leaving them available for the destro factions to purchase...
 
DragonParadox said:
We are a Grey Lord Magister. We are expected nay encouraged to go to shady markets and buy stuff, as long as it does not itself interfere with the Articles of Magic. No Wapstone, no Dhar, no problem. Hell we could probably get away with buying a Chaos Grimoire. That lore back at the Colleges had to come from somewhere. Not that I want to do it, but we have long since outgrown 'what will people think of us' as an excuse. Random Stirlander merchants we are not.
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I was thinking more in terms of hypocrisy than reputation.
 
I think that the likely lizardman arm is probably the most useful thing for the Colleges in general.

Remember that Mathilde has a natural talent for enchanting, as well as the Windherder talent. Seeing how Lizardmen enchant items might well be a useful bit of inspiration for her.

ReImagined said:
I was thinking more in terms of hypocrisy than reputation.
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We're a Grey Wizard Lord Magister...
 
I vote we buy acorn and Identify it.

If it is from the Oak of Ages we return it or give it to Laurelorn.
We get some research, and return something very valuable to its owners, potentially getting something in return or at least knowing its not in the hands of chaos.
 
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Given the already dubious quality of everything else I am inclined to say no to everything. Except the meat I guess, and only because we have a magic item that can make it safe to eat.
 
Tasoli said:
I don't want it as a gift. That is stupid. I want it because it is powerful artifact and apperantly can cleanse corruption of the land. If we can get an arrangement with Eonir and get their blessing we can plant it to Sylvania and cleanse the land for humans.
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The Eonir are not wood elves and their blessing would be worth about as much as Belegar's in the eyes of the Wild Hunt. The only safe thing to do with that acorn is return it to Athel Loren.
 
BoneyM said:
You scramble for anything that's not your actual name or 'Grey'. "Gabriella," you land on. "Gabriella von, er, Nachthafen."

"Gabriella von Ernachthafen,"
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Intrigue almost-critfail

BoneyM said:
"Grey, Black, Thrall, or incognito?"

You blink at him. "Incognito," you say.
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Why was that even a question? We use Ulgu. That's clear. Do they want to see with whom we might have a problem?

BoneyM said:
"Have you brought any of the following goods to Uzkulak: bound Daemons, precious stones or metals from Nehekhara, any seed, bud, fruit, or cutting from Athel Loren, unshielded warpstone, spherical devices made of brass, Vampire body parts, any item created or possessed by the Skaven Clan Pestilens, gilded skulls made of black bone, anything from the Temple-City of Zlatlan, any mummified bodies of large, frog-like beings, unshielded wyrdstone, any kind of projectile capable of moving on its own, any of Kadon's Scrolls of Binding, golden whistles, instruments stringed with unicorn hair, keys made of crystal, or any sort of stone that glows with a green light?"
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Warpstone is mentioned thrice. There must really be a lot of stupid people bringing uncontained warpstone regularly.

Also the fact that they ask about Slann-priest bodies implies that someone had already brought those in. This place is bonkers.
 
Shard said:
Given the already dubious quality of everything else I am inclined to say no to everything. Except the meat I guess, and only because we have a magic item that can make it safe to eat.
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Where are you getting that the items we found are of dubious quality?

Mathilde has astonishingly good Magesight. If she thinks they're real, they almost certainly are.
 
Undead-Spaceman said:
Expect the Amazons do make use of Lizardmen artifacts.

It's the size that's throwing me off, too small for the average Saurus and too big for the average Skink. I suppose it could also have belonged to a Red Crested Skink? I'm pretty sure they're bigger than average.
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Saurus Oldbloods are about eight feet tall - taller than most humans, sure, but of a similar order of magnitude, and within error margins for 'humanish'.
 
Undead-Spaceman said:
Expect the Amazons do make use of Lizardmen artifacts.

It's the size that's throwing me off, too small for the average Saurus and too big for the average Skink. I suppose it could also have belonged to a Red Crested Skink? I'm pretty sure they're bigger than average.
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Skinks are around the size of humans, they just looks small in comparison to everything else on the Lizardman roster iirc.
 
... Is it dumb to want to buy all of those artifacts?

Two artifacts of highest tier and some cool travel diary is something I don't want to pass up.
 
DragonParadox said:
Were you planning to tout if from the rooftops? Hypocrisy only applies if it becomes public knowledge somehow, people who are need to know would not care.
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Again, I am not thinking about this in terms of reputation. I mean, Mathilde being the kind of person who burns people at the stake for X, and then doing X herself. I can't support that decision. If you want to think purely mechanically, we can agree to disagree here.
 
BoneyM said:
[*] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[*] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[*] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[*] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[*] Thane Borek Forkbeard
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If you don't want to write a scene with Gotrek just stop giving him as an option and be done with it.

With Uzkulak to the north and Clan Moulder below, it's likely that there'll be hostile eyes on you for every step of your journey, watching for any weakness. It's the hope of the Expedition that you'll reach the other side before they spot one.
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Two hundred knights on monstrous mounts, a half dozen landships bristling with guns and a dragon. And to anyone with the right senses enough wizards to break an army.
Somehow I think they are more watching to see if they need to run rather than sniffing for weakness in such a force.

"Grey, Black, Thrall, or incognito?"
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Thrall?

unshielded warpstone
unshielded wyrdstone
any sort of stone that glows with a green light
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I'm sensing they have had difficulty with this particular substance.

The slave pens are a trap. If we go in there Mathy will end up cutting her way out of the city with no food, no freed slaves and a very large bounty on her head.
The 'meat'… is probably also a trap. No food is better than tainted food.
The arm and papers are traps. Much like the 'gem talisman' that fried Johann's brain they are not worth the AP, let along the gold, they would cost.
The nut might be a present for Pan.
 
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