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Man, don't take this personally, but you can be such a bore sometimes... You were against the expedition in the first place, preferring using our AP for research, you were also against stopping in Karag Vlag because you wanted to keep up with an imaginary timetable of social meetings, and now you are against stopping for more side missions despite the stellar result of the last one...

Sorry, but you are not all that convincing, especially for the people who prioritize funnier but riskier approaches like myself and many others.

There is a way to argue against a course of action preferred by others, and it is not this.

Mathilde is basically high nobility and she is the one who has recruited him and his wolves... I think that our authority pretty much overrides his own basically all times...

It does not. The Winter Wolves are an independent polity, and Mathilde has no authority over them.

1?: Sylvania??: if the Elector Count Sylvania was ever reinstated we could get their vote if we were one of the groups to help them hint hint nudge nudge....

Sylvania has never been an Elector, the Fennones did not join Sigmar's Empire and their land was annexed into Stirland by force some time before Vampires, necromancy, and the Black Death transformed it into what it is today. The lost Electors are Drakwald, the land of the Thuringians which was destroyed during the Black Death of the 1100s and divided between Middenland and Nordland, and Solland, the land of the Menogoths which was destroyed by Waaagh Ironclaw in the 1700s and folded into Wissenland.

@BoneyM What has Qrech told us about his old home? Is there anything relevant or actionable about the location itself that could be considered a reason to visit it over other Skaven bases for reasons other than curiosity and familiarity?

He's spun a lot of anecdotes of what he considers his glory days. Mathilde knows enough to be able to find it despite its concealment and to have a good idea of how to get in and out of it without being seen, since it's hyper-focused on Chaos Dwarf tactics. There's no specific reason Mathilde has in mind to visit it, just the knowledge that she can.

So, this bit. Hubert is a wizard, so he should be a single color, and get Ulgu colors there when lieing.
Is this an inconsistency, is Mathilde bluffing, or does a lying wizard still attract Ulgu, just not like a human.

The reputation of the Grey Order is quite useful at times.
 
The reputation of the Grey Order is quite useful at times.
I imagine it helps if the counterparty has seen you seemingly casually do things like "crush another wizard's miscast in your hand before it has the chance to do any harm." Kinda helps you get away with all sorts of bullshit.

Anyway, especially with the latest clarifications, I don't think the combes will be of high practical value to the expedition. Potential value to the cause of skaven research in general, and definite social value when it comes to bonding with Qrech, but not as good for the next few weeks as a chat with Ruprecht and getting a better sense of what motivates him.
 
He's spun a lot of anecdotes of what he considers his glory days. Mathilde knows enough to be able to find it despite its concealment and to have a good idea of how to get in and out of it without being seen, since it's hyper-focused on Chaos Dwarf tactics. There's no specific reason Mathilde has in mind to visit it, just the knowledge that she can.

Ah, when the option said Combes we were told about it's specifically referring to the 7th combe rather than the set of them in general? That might mean it's less likely to be productive than I was thinking. I can't recall the specific geography but I believe the 7th combe was the most southerly one held by skaven, is that right?
 
Sylvania has never been an Elector, the Fennones did not join Sigmar's Empire and their land was annexed into Stirland by force some time before Vampires, necromancy, and the Black Death transformed it into what it is today. The lost Electors are Drakwald, the land of the Thuringians which was destroyed during the Black Death of the 1100s and divided between Middenland and Nordland, and Solland, the land of the Menogoths which was destroyed by Waaagh Ironclaw in the 1700s and folded into Wissenland.
I was under the impression that Stirland was briefly an elector, same as the short lived Lichtenburg province in what is now the Border Princes
 


Southernmost blue route would be the third possible return route to the Old World. Note the interruption - that's because you'd have to figure out how to descend from the Zorn Uzkul plateau into the much lower Badlands when you get there. You could also keep pushing southwards until you reached one of the three southern passes, Karaz-a-Karak's Silver Road, the Border Princes' Mad Dog Pass, or even Karak Eight Peaks' Death Pass.
@BoneyM, would you mind adding this map the the Thread-Canonical Maps section of the Collection of Important Information Threadmark? It seems like useful information and while I found it relatively quickly that was mainly just me being lucky with my search terms.
 
Ah, when the option said Combes we were told about it's specifically referring to the 7th combe rather than the set of them in general?

That was the one Qrech was in command of, but most of them came up in his tales at least a time or two.

I can't recall the specific geography but I believe the 7th combe was the most southerly one held by skaven, is that right?

Most easterly.

I was under the impression that Stirland was briefly an elector, same as the short lived Lichtenburg province in what is now the Border Princes

Lichtenburg was founded in the same expansionist push that had Westerland (modern Marienburg) made an Elector, but I don't think it was made one itself. It seem like they were in a grey area of being independent provinces within the Empire that did not have an Electoral vote, a similar status to Sudenburg and Swamp Town today.

We are not. We are a knight. That said, we are very high status, being one of the most trusted advisors to a Dwarven King. Along with a Lord Magister, and so forth.

11. All Magisters may expect to receive accommodation, benefits, respect, and fair treatment, as would befit any noble of Sigmar's Holy Empire, while in the employ of the Electors of Sigmar's Holy Empire.

They're legally considered nobles, likely to prevent every petty baronet from being able to give them orders that might go against the Articles.

@BoneyM, would you mind adding this map the the Thread-Canonical Maps section of the Collection of Important Information Threadmark? It seems like useful information and while I found it relatively quickly that was mainly just me being lucky with my search terms.

On it.
 
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That was the one Qrech was in command of, but most of them came up in his tales at least a time or two.

So which one we actually end up exploring depends on what landmarks we're able to recognize in order to orient ourselves towards one or something along those lines?


Ah, much more likely to be relevant again than if it was all the way at the "bottom edge" of the plateau. I'm still a bit iffier than I was before the clarifications but overall still seems worth a look to me.
 
That was the one Qrech was in command of, but most of them came up in his tales at least a time or two.



Most easterly.



Lichtenburg was founded in the same expansionist push that had Westerland (modern Marienburg) made an Elector, but I don't think it was made one itself. It seem like they were in a grey area of being independent provinces within the Empire that did not have an Electoral vote, a similar status to Sudenburg and Swamp Town today.



11. All Magisters may expect to receive accommodation, benefits, respect, and fair treatment, as would befit any noble of Sigmar's Holy Empire, while in the employ of the Electors of Sigmar's Holy Empire.

They're legally considered nobles, likely to prevent every petty baronet from being able to give them orders that might go against the Articles.



On it.
So you're going with Nordland as one of the 12 founding provinces?
 
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
 
as a chat with Ruprecht and getting a better sense of what motivates him.
As a devout Ulrican in an order of devout Ulricans... I think we can make a pretty decent guess on what motivates him without needing that conversation, I am not saying that he is dumb or anything but Ulricans tend to be as straightforward as they can get.
 
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As a devout Ulrican in an order of devout Ulricans... I think we can make a pretty decent guess on what motivates him without needing that conversation...

Reallllllllllly.

Well then, tell me: Is young Ruprecht here because he seeks glory in the name of Ulric? Or is it to help repay the dwarves for the help they gave his father? Perhaps he wants to prove himself to said father? Or alternatively he wants to separate himself from his fathers shadow and make his own name? Unless he has personal reasons to want to fight chaos?

Does he believe in the expedition to Dum, or does he think it's doomed to fail? And after his latest experience, has his orders failure tempered his expectations, or has Mathilde's unexpected success buoyed his hopes?

He was the lynchpin that stopped his knights from breaking. Is he feeling more confident now that he's proven himself, or is he shaken that things already came so close to the wire so early?

Well? What's your guess?
 
So you're going with Nordland as one of the 12 founding provinces?

Accounts say that the Jutones didn't join the Empire under Sigmar and the Endals did, so the Endals should be one of Sigmar's Twelve Tribes and the Jutones shouldn't. But then they say Westerland didn't get a Runefang but Nordland did, and to make it more complicated Westerland has different stories saying it was inhabited by the Endals, the Jutones, or the Was Jutones. Did Jutonsryk fall apart in Sigmar's time? Was it conquered by Sigismund II in the 400s? Did it last into the 900s? Depends who you ask. So let's go with 'yes' with an asterisk.
 
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11. All Magisters may expect to receive accommodation, benefits, respect, and fair treatment, as would befit any noble of Sigmar's Holy Empire, while in the employ of the Electors of Sigmar's Holy Empire.

They're legally considered nobles, likely to prevent every petty baronet from being able to give them orders that might go against the Articles.
So if a Magister is legally considered nobility a Lord Magister is probably considered high nobility...
 
As a devout Ulrican in an order of devout Ulricans... I think we can make a pretty decent guess on what motivates him without needing that conversation, I am not saying that he is dumb or anything but Ulricans tend to be as straightforward as they can get.
"Look, I'd have been okay with the Bright Order. Or the Golds or the Greys. But I dreamed of the stars at night and I could feel a change in the weather coming three days off, so I ended up stuck with, well..."

"The Celestials," you say, nodding in understanding.

"Stargazers and fortune-tellers."

You nod again, thoughtfully. "Just as the Greys are diplomats, and generally work completely unseen."

"Right," he says, and then frowns.

"And the Brights are unthinking fire dispensers instead of aspiring mechanics, the Amethysts are ascetics, and the Golds are cold and analytical and definitely don't take up punching and puppy rearing as hobbies..."

He sighs. "Okay, point made."

"And I'm going to keep making it," you say, prodding him with your wooden sparring blade.

The stereotypes can and do apply, but characters in this quest are rarely just that.
 
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