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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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guyfromtheplace1 said:
Clog the waystone array, see what happens, wait for Vlag to return, guard the waystone array against the (we assume)inevitable Daemonic sally aimed at reopening it. Leave once all the Daemons discorporate, we can be sure Vlag won't disappear again, and we can unclog the waystone.
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Sounds so very simple, doesn't it? :)
Alliterate said:
Stoneseer
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Kardokul? Big stone - observe/sight - art/mastery
BoneyM said:
Dwarven belief is that if someone isn't given the proper rites, they'll be reborn at some point in the future as another Dwarf.
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Broadly compatible, even supportive, of my 'dwarven souls being redirected to Gazuls realm rather than being reborn contributes to the low birth rate' hypothesis.
Guile said:
Of course, 'how long it takes demons to dissipate' is probably a moot point if we're waiting around for them to emerge like a tide of nubile pink flesh. Then the only question worth asking is 'How many daemonettes can fit in a Dwarfhold, exactly?' because they'll be coming for our delicious faces.
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Don't forget the dawimonettes.
"When the first figure emerges it has only a moment in the sunlight before a barrage of Shadow Knives catch it in the chest, but the purple-pink tinge of the humanoid figure's beard- and there's very little concealing that magnificent beard - tells you all that you need to know. "
"one tries to leap over your blade as another bends backwards in a way that shouldn't be possible for any being with so luscious a beard"
 
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Guile said:
Of course, 'how long it takes demons to dissipate' is probably a moot point if we're waiting around for them to emerge like a tide of nubile pink flesh. Then the only question worth asking is 'How many daemonettes can fit in a Dwarfhold, exactly?' because they'll be coming for our delicious faces within the hour.
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It's a Karak, rather than a Karag, so I think the bottleneck might actually be how many can fit through the gates at a time. Regardless, we will be a force of dwarves with time to fortify and a dragon at a chokepoint, so I like those odds.
 
Rafin said:
Huh. I thought most of everyone's belief was that someone not given the proper rights has a high chance of getting gobbled up by Chaos within the Aethyr and that that is why Gazul's works, Gazul's rites and Gazul's sally port mattered so much.
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This actually came up in quest. The dwarves basically believe that dwarves are too stubborn for anything but returning to be born as a dwarf, but also that returning to be born as a dwarf is if not strictly speaking BAD, at the very least undesirable, nobody should have to go through TWO lives as a dwarf in a world that isn't particularly friendly to being a dwarf. So in the slayer instance, that means those slayers who aren't making an effort to die where they can get rites think that it's preferable to die with honor, live a second life as a dwarf which hopefully maintains honor, and THEN go to their ancestors having gotten the proper rites with their honor intact from both lifetimes.
 
Guile said:
Of course, 'how long it takes demons to dissipate' is probably a moot point if we're waiting around for them to emerge like a tide of nubile pink flesh. Then the only question worth asking is 'How many daemonettes can fit in a Dwarfhold, exactly?' because they'll be coming for our delicious faces within the hour.
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Yes I suspect that very few demons will actually dissipate because they know that they will dissipate with time just as much as we do and will attack with about as much sense of self preservation as slayers.
 
Alliterate said:
Don't forget the dawimonettes.
"When the first figure emerges it has only a moment in the sunlight before a barrage of Shadow Knives catch it in the chest, but the purple-pink tinge of the humanoid figure's beard- and there's very little concealing that magnificent beard - tells you all that you need to know. "
"one tries to leap over your blade as another bends backwards in a way that shouldn't be possible for any being with so luscious a beard"
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I can't wait until it turns out we solved the Mystery of Karak Vlag and the conundrum of low dwarven birth rates in the same vote
 
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This technically demon summoning right? It is like we use the articles of magic as a check list to find more ways to break the letter well affirmating the spirit.
 
fictionfan said:
This technically demon summoning right? It is like we use the articles of magic as a check list to find more ways to break the letter well affirmating the spirit.
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no, we aren't summoning anything, we're countering a spell cast by a user of Dark Magic, and therefore totally in the clear. Alternatively, if that doesn't fly with Algard, we can say that we were summoning a Karak rather than demons, so its fine.
 
Guile said:
Of course, 'how long it takes demons to dissipate' is probably a moot point if we're waiting around for them to emerge like a tide of nubile pink flesh. Then the only question worth asking is 'How many daemonettes can fit in a Dwarfhold, exactly?' because they'll be coming for our delicious faces within the hour.
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Everyone is foused on hour zero of dissipation, but that is the wrong way to go about this.

Daemons weaken and then dissipate when cut off. I imaggine that they wont be at full power even at an hour, and will continue weakening as the time goes on. Against an enemy that focuses at fortifications? This is a bad matchup even for daemons.

Mind you, a greater daemon or something higher up than daemonettes will still be seriously scary. Its just that, at any case, the more we stall them the less dangerous they become. And Dawi are good at stalling.

Surviving the initial charge will likely mean victory under those circumstances. So my fear here is that they have a really good opener, or a very scary daemon, not more daemonetes.
 
fictionfan said:
This technically demon summoning right? It is like we use the articles of magic as a check list to find more ways to break the letter well affirmating the spirit.
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Already raised, already dismissed as a problem.
Fehu said:
Actually @BoneyM this wouldnt count as against the Articles right?
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BoneyM said:
Only by the strictest and most context-blind reading of them.
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Article Fifteen, on the other hand, applies to this case extremely straightforwardly.
BoneyM said:
15. All Magisters are required to exert themselves to seek out and counter such destructive and anti-Imperial machinations, practices, peoples, and creatures that are beyond the means of civil authorities and Sigmar's Templars to counter, but yet still serve the Daemon Gods or advance the corruption of Imperial citizens through any sorcerous or infernal means. This shall be the prime concern and purpose of the Colleges, their Orders and the Magisters belonging to them, and to fail in this duty is to render void all the Articles of this document and make obsolete their permission to practise arcane arts without hindrance.
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I have to point out that an unintended side effect of this could be Slaanesh pointing some kurgan (and potentially the dolgans) towards us.

Which will void our agreement and make us more likely to starve.

Of course, only if Slaanesh is intelligent enough. Which, judging by the poor reaction to defend the taken Karak, doesn't seem to be.
 
BoneyM said:
Well yes, but at that point you're not giving them Mathilde's knowledge about Dwarf waystones, you're telling lies that are going to either spiral or unravel quickly at the inevitable follow-up question of 'wait, our Karaks are fueling Elven magics? why hasn't something been done to stop this?'.
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Could we say that all that energy is being sent to KaK but to be disposed of as opposed to use? Essentially implying that Dwarves have their own secret Runic version of the Great Vortex at KaK. I'm not looking to tell them this outright but I am spitballing possible half-truths to persuade the other councilors to not outright destroy the Waystone if necessary.
 
Tomcost said:
I have to point out that an unintended side effect of this could be Slaanesh pointing some kurgan (and potentially the dolgans) towards us.

Which will void our agreement and make us more likely to starve.

Of course, only if Slaanesh is intelligent enough. Which, judging by the poor reaction to defend the taken Karak, doesn't seem to be.
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The Chaos Gods do not generally bother to aim specific tribes at anything specific.
 
Tomcost said:
I have to point out that an unintended side effect of this could be Slaanesh pointing some kurgan (and potentially the dolgans) towards us.

Which will void our agreement and make us more likely to starve.

Of course, only if Slaanesh is intelligent enough. Which, judging by the poor reaction to defend the taken Karak, doesn't seem to be.
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Horsemeat is food.

The Kurgan avoiding us is the worst option out of that, attacking and keeping to their deal.
 
Horse nomads aren't a threat. Especially since we have magic, mobile fortifications and guns.


But speaking of fortifications.. is there a chance that the under way is still intact!? And can we use it to get to the other lost hold? Cause I'm really really not liking warp dust air mutating the humans.
 
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Cheap Orange Knofe said:
Horse nomads aren't a threat. Especially since we have magic, mobile fortifications and guns.


But speaking of fortifications.. is there a chance that the under way is still intact!? And can we use it to get to the other lost hold? Cause I'm really really not liking warp dust air mutating the humans.
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Some of the network still exists but the network as a whole has been shattered into several unconnected pieces and what remains has been unmaintained for millenia, it's extremely unsafe.
 
Guile said:
Of course, 'how long it takes demons to dissipate' is probably a moot point if we're waiting around for them to emerge like a tide of nubile pink flesh. Then the only question worth asking is 'How many daemonettes can fit in a Dwarfhold, exactly?' because they'll be coming for our delicious faces within the hour.
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There's only so much I can be worried, personally. The steamwagons ought to make one hell of a wagon fort, and we've got cannons and wizards and a dragon. Given a little time to fort up before we clog the Waystone, we should be reasonably secure against anything short of a major army.
 
And a wizard with a fancy bottle capable of imitating said dragon breath once if one dragonfire happens to not be enough.
 
TimEd said:
And a wizard with a fancy bottle capable of imitating said dragon breath once if one dragonfire happens to not be enough.
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Mathilde : Hey look, buddy. I'm a Loremaster, that means I solve problems.

Mathilde: Not problems like "What do I point my Loremaster at so she doesn't cause me a stroke?", 'cause that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of being Belegar.

Mathilde: I solve practical problems!

Mathilde: For instance, how am I gonna stop some big mean Mother-Hubbard from tearin' me a structurally superfluous new behind?

Mathilde: The answer? Use a dragon. And if that don't work, use more dragon.

With apologies to the writers behind Meet the Engineer.
 
Ericwinter said:
As an aside, I wonder what Khazalid for "Hopebringer" would be, since people were talking titles earlier.
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A = of
Akrak = fortune/luck
Drung = to defeat/vanquish/conquer
Dwor = fear
Gand = find/discover
Ghul- banishment
Rikkazen = crush

Grabbed everything I could see that might be relevant.

As Dwarfs don't... seem to have a word for hope, or at least not one that the lexicon provides (fortune seems like the closest, but not quite right), I figure I'd go with the word for fear and say, like, banisher of it.

So, Rikkazenadwor, crusher of fear? Ghuladwor, banisher of fear? Drungadwor, defeater of fear?

Not sure I got the structure right, but that's my guess.

Out of the lot, I like Drungadwor. Flows better than the other two.

Edit: Wait, forgot that referring to a specific person means you need to end it with a -i, so it'd be Drungadwori.
 
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Ach, I wish we'd gone for the Cython romance option, it felt so damn unique. Can we at least get more interactions? I honestly perk up every time it comes up because it just feels so different.
 
People keep memeing about us giving Belegar strokes, but he tends to be pretty happy with the results of our actions. Its the means that keep him up at night.

If he hears we reconquered a Karak without him even having to know how we did it? He'd be ecstatic, not apoplectic.
 
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storryeater said:
People keep memeing about us giving Belegar strokes, but he tends to be pretty happy with the results ofour actions. Its the means that keep him up at night.

If he hears we reconquered a Karak without him even having to know how we did it? He'd be ecstatic, not apoplectic.
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Belegar has learned that Mathilde succeeding far away is for the best since he can concentrate on the results.

The means are for the dwarf on site to go bald over.
Poor lads.
 
storryeater said:
People keep memeing about us giving Belegar strokes, but he tends to be pretty happy with the results of our actions. Its the means that keep him up at night.

If he hears we reconquered a Karak without him even having to know how we did it? He'd be ecstatic, not apoplectic.
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You assume we won't explain in excruciating detail when we get back. Bold of you, that.
 
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