The ancestors are gods who define every aspect of dwarf life. We could live to be ten thousand years old and we would never be able to come within a fraction of matching the least of them
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The ancestors are gods who define every aspect of dwarf life. We could live to be ten thousand years old and we would never be able to come within a fraction of matching the least of them
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*every Dawi of Karaz Ankor then.
(Also, it is allready the case for Karaz Ankor Dawi, its just that only Thorgrimm knows)
I quite think we did more than random dwarf 77's grandpa, at least.
(the joke here is that every deceased dwarf is an Ancestor, not solely the big uns).
And even if you only mean the big uns, I quite think ushering new era for Dawi is quite literally the reason they are worshipped, and we seem to be replicating that just fine... of course, we are a few bad rolls away from crashing and burning, thus the "if we continue as we are now" thingie.
For K8Ps, Mathilde could probably make a pretty good claim for defining the "Fucking weird shit" and "What the Hell just happened" aspects of dwarf live. I don't disagree that Mathilde isn't going to match them, just that her niche isn't filled.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
... Maybe's she's literally got a chance in Hell.
Deities work on Klingon Promotion rules, right?
If we're going that direction, we should go all the way to the big four.
Hmm, do you have a grudge against Morr?
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
We're not going to try and eat Chaos. We'll get indigestion.
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- Greece
Sigmar's actions were distant from most Dwarfs, rather than personal. He averted disaster once, sure, and they still owe him, but this is different.
Plus... we haven't finished yet, as I keep saying.
Here is the thing it's not solely a matter of going down a checklist or some objective metric of doing enough. The Ancestor Dwarfs lived before the Vortex in a time of myth and legend where the Aethyr mixed with the real world in a way even out 'friends' the Kurgan cannot comprehend. Their feats in craft in war and a thousand other Domains are such that no mortal can hope to match because the very substance of reality is different, less than it was.
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- Ireland
[X] Try to track the bandits
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- Greece
I was half joking until now, but I am gonna object to that seriously, as I disagree with any rhetoric that implies the past will allways be greater than the future on principle. Reality is no obstcle to a person's capability of changing the world to the better, and feats that were easy then but impossible now can still be replicated by studying reality hard enough to refuse its refusal.
This is not me making a thematic point, that is the objective truth of Malus. The time before the Vortex was grander and more terrible than anything that can exist nowadays because everything was flooded in magic and there was Zhuff logic everywhere. You want to 'refuse the refusal', take it up with Calador Dragontamer.
It is optimal to take chaos and eat it. I'm sure the halflings have something to deal with indigestion.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Unless we dramatically exceed Sigmar's deeds in both scope and scale, we aren't getting worshipped. And even if we do somehow manage that, then the different nature of dwarven ancestor worship makes it possible that we flat out won't ever get worshipped no matter what we do; we aren't their ancestors, and no dwarves or dwarven crafts descend from us.
Unfortunately, it's entirely possible for things in the past to be inherently better because that's just the way the setting works.
It's worth remembering that what makes the Ancestor Gods special is that they're universally revered by the dwarves. Each clan also has their own particular ancestor gods they worship, and particularly impressive dwarves in a clan can get added to their number.
I'm not sure if dwarves can adopt whatever Mathilde is to them, but if that is possible, then it's possible that she could become a god of a specific clan that did so post-mortem.
I'm not sure if dwarves can adopt whatever Mathilde is to them, but if that is possible, then it's possible that she could become a god of a specific clan that did so post-mortem.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Nah, he had nothing to do with Abel's death and might not even have anything to do with his soul right now. (which is why we should carve a hole in wall of the Ulgu Dimension, pop into Morr's Garden and start looking. Because right now we have absolutely no idea where Abel's soul is and there's a slim but very real chance that the Countess is currently sipping from our former Lord's soul like a martini and I ABSOLUTELY refuse to let that happen) No reason for me to carry a grudge when he hasn't done anything yet.
Now, I do have a bit of animosity towards him, because he's likely to stand in the way of our destined reunion. But it's only at the same level I distrust someone like, say, Gazul.
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Eh, Mathilde is certainly a hero. I don't think she's done anything worthy of worship though. That's a bit nuts. Isn't WHF lore full of Mathilde style heroes? How many are venerated and uplifted as gods? Especially now, with the pantheons established and old, as opposed to older eras when things were still mutable.
To be honest I don't get why godhood comes up so often in quests. Why would we want Mathilde to become a god? What part of her character makes religious veneration a reasonable capstone of her tale?
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If Mathilde was close to her family and lived in the southern empire, her being worshipped by them after she died would be perfectly normal and standard, as the folk of the southern Empire picked up ancestor worship from the dwarves, and she's famous and important enough that she'd qualify.
Outside that, being venerated as a god is rare, and most people that are worshipped are worshipped as Venerated Souls linked to the Cult of an existing god. That's partially about cult politics, because the Cult of Sigmar makes a big deal about how Sigmar is uniquely worthy of worship as the god of humanity itself, as he's the only ascended human (don't ask about Ranald) in the pantheon. Otherwise there are lots of local gods which wax and wane in popularity and existence.
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- She/Her
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind
Morse code may seem ubiquitous to us now, but it wasn't invented until ~1837 along with the telegraph, and SOS as an emergency signal didn't reach official universal useage until in 1912 after the Titanic's sinking. Morse code is a fairly modern invention.
Morse code may seem ubiquitous to us now, but it wasn't invented until ~1837 along with the telegraph, and SOS as an emergency signal didn't reach official universal useage until in 1912 after the Titanic's sinking. Morse code is a fairly modern invention.
Gap
Not a Dog
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- The Malleary
While I don't think Mathilde is close to the lvl of legends I have to disagree with the concept of legends being restricted to the past, at least using the Vortex as a breaking point. Sure Magic and the laws of reality changed drastically after Calador but legends did arise after it. Sigmar himself is an example of it.
I attribute the idea that the future is less than the past more to the fact its more attractive as a literally setting than a law of the world.
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It'a no the concept of legends or even asecending to godhood, Sigmar did it after all, what I was objecting to was the notion of matching the feats of the Ancestor Gods in the mind of dwarfs.
I have a feeling the only way to hit godhood viva Legend would be:
1: Head back to Sylvania
2: Spam the shit out of the Protector so that we become a household name, like, 'hero of the time' level of fame.
3: really, really lean into 'The Dämmerlichtreiter' myths. as that one has the most 'proto-goddess' vibes of all the stories about her.
and I'm not even saying that it would work, just that its the best chance if we go the legend route.
1: Head back to Sylvania
2: Spam the shit out of the Protector so that we become a household name, like, 'hero of the time' level of fame.
3: really, really lean into 'The Dämmerlichtreiter' myths. as that one has the most 'proto-goddess' vibes of all the stories about her.
and I'm not even saying that it would work, just that its the best chance if we go the legend route.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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No it is. BoneyM is a one-man Wizard simulation engine and whenever he posts we all go apeshit