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I don't generally use such strong language about a plotpoint, but I have to make the exception in this case.

It's not about the character per se, it's about the meta.

Every interaction with him will have the thread engaging in paranoia and ooc knowledge, no matter the truth in-universe (unless ironclad WoG on the contrary, which I doubt will happen).

It's like if we found out ooc during the k8p expedition that Petrescu was secretly Mannfred von Carstein.

It makes every interaction with the character potentially toxic and likely to overshadow the rest of the plot arc.
That was always going to be a problem, Gotrek is here. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think the thread can handle it.
 
Expedition Divination Collection:
Light Order recruitment drive

1: Nobody
2: Call goes out for volunteers (bonus to Light Wizards from earlier call)
3: Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
4: Lady Magister Elrisse and Magister Verspasian Kant
5: Choirmaster Stephen and his Choir
6: Magister Patriarch Alric, the Saviour of Apesto
Let's see who Horstmann really works for.

1. Tzeentch, JUST AS PLANNED!
2. Stupid Sexy Lahmians
3. To Everyone's Surprise, Mork
4. RANAAAAAAALD
5. Clan Eshin, yes-yes!
6. The Slann, somehow
Van Horstmann Situation Roll:

1: Like Canon But With Even More Snakes
2: Corrupted By The Skull Of Katam
3: Chaos-Curious But Uncommitted
4: Actually A Ranaldite Instead
5: Perfectly Normal And Charming Fellow
6: Part Of A Light College Anti-Necromancy Sting Operation
Thread's opinion on von Horstmann:

1: Kill the obvious Chaos cultist!
2: *suspicious glances*
3: Give him a chance?
4: Surprise! It's actually Ranald in disguise!
5: Our new bestie!
6: Perfect waifu husbando.
7: ...wait, what's Mork doing here?
Hmmm. All the way back...
Yeah, but there's only a one in six chance that Karag Dum is even the same brand of badness in the quest as in the books.
1: I'll start prepping the next quest I guess
2: It's Much worse.
3: It's worse.
4: About the same.
5: Slightly better.
6: Oh hey guess which God just showed up.
Ah, but the real question is why it's worse.

1. Tzeentch, JUST AS PLANNED!
2. Stupid Sexy Lahmians
3. To Everyone's Surprise, Mork
4. RANAAAAAAALD
5. Clan Eshin, yes-yes!
6. The Slann, somehow
Yeah, at this point it's just divination. We can just actually learn things by throwing dice at them.

@Xon, your dice are haunted. :V
 
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also, I need to point out that Kittyknight squids are very small for Caverly.

like, two wings is around 20-40 kittybirds.
No they're not. We got two wings totaling at 100 kittybird riders. The Order of them is very small compared to other knight orders in the Empuire because five wings, 250 knights and their kittybirds, is the entirety of their numbers. Whereas the typical horse-mounted order is at one or two thousand plus their squires.
 
Pre-chapter post:

There are multiple known inhabited cities and fortresses in the Chaos Wastes
Known and inhabited, as in canon? Care to name a few so I can look up their lore?
Karak Azul Runesmith recruitment drive

1: None
2: Apprentice Swarm assistance (preparations only)
3: Thorek assistance (preparations only)
4: Journeymen Swarm
5: Thorek
6: Thorek + Anvil
Huh. I thought Mathilde's traits and stats would directly matter when it comes to recruitment through AP expenditure, making these more like cut-off points with more gradient (as in how much prep or how big a swarm), with Thorek being one or multiple options on a d6 that only gets rolled if we crit.
Pictured, Tzeentch standing over a table of infinite dimensions. On it, face down, are portraits of every single sapient being on Mundus(and likely beyond).

He looks at the field, considering. He then closes his eyes and other mystical senses, spins around nine times clockwise, and grabs a random portrait. He spins nine times counter clockwise grabbing a second portrait, eyes still closed.

He opens his eyes, and gazes upon the portaits: "Together! Mwahahahaha!"


Some decades later, the Hortzmann-Weber children are asking about how their parents got together.

"Oh I don't know, it must have just been fate I guess."


"Mwahahaha!"
@BoneyM is there any possibility (vote-mediated or otherwise) for Mathilde to fall in love or at least become interested in someone new during this expedition?

Because as far as I am concerned, the little piece of Mathilde's soul that I represent just got an infatuation at first sight with this van Horstmann guy, which will of course be influenced by, but predates anything we learn about his personality. Because sometimes romance just works that way.
So what I take from this is that either the 'Pack Ice' is permanently frozen to the point where you are rely on having thousand ton steam-wagons roll over it, or said steam-wagons are somehow amphibious.
Given Dwarfs, I would not be surprised by the latter.

Well at least the Journeymanlings can spend their Boons on runic bling more easily now. 'Apprentice' is very much a relative term with Runesmiths.

Ranald is screwing with us.

My greatest regret is that we don't get to learn about all these people.
I have to admit that I am kind of curious about the Lady Magister and regular Magister that apparently come as a package deal.
@BoneyM are they famous enough for Mathilde to know about them even if they aren't signing up with her?
I'm actually really glad the entire order didn't come, as that would leave the approach to K8Ps undefended.
Wrong Order. Taal's Fury didn't stay.
The what?
The sad bit is that, yet again, there's more wizards than runesmiths coming along. It's actually even more pronounced here than for K8Ps, since that only had one Magister and a couple of journeymen vs a Kragg. Here it's all wizards.
The sad thing is that there plain and simply exist more Wizards than Runesmiths, despite Runesmithing needing no supernaturally special soul, existing for many thousands of years and not having a history of hate and prejudice against them.
 
Huh. I thought Mathilde's traits and stats would directly matter when it comes to recruitment through AP expenditure, making these more like cut-off points with more gradient (as in how much prep or how big a swarm), with Thorek being one or multiple options on a d6 that only gets rolled if we crit.

Traits, stats, standing and reputation is what determined the initial d6 array.

@BoneyM is there any possibility (vote-mediated or otherwise) for Mathilde to fall in love or at least become interested in someone new during this expedition?

Because as far as I am concerned, the little piece of Mathilde's soul that I represent just got an infatuation at first sight with this van Horstmann guy, which will of course be influenced by, but predates anything we learn about his personality. Because sometimes romance just works that way.

Probably not, but if someone ends up having chemistry with Mathilde and the thread is into them I might have a vote on the topic.

I have to admit that I am kind of curious about the Lady Magister and regular Magister that apparently come as a package deal.
@BoneyM are they famous enough for Mathilde to know about them even if they aren't signing up with her?

No, but they're on the shortlist if I ever need to introduce a Light Wizard for some other purpose.
 
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Maybe the real van Horstmann plot twist will be that he'll be a middle ground between the two extremes, where he's loyal to the Empire but he's also a massive douchebag.
 
Yeah now that I think of it, the logistics of bringing 100 Demigryph Knights do seem a bit.. challenging. That's a lot of cat food bags to haul around.
 
Thread's opinion on von Horstmann:

1: Kill the obvious Chaos cultist!
2: *suspicious glances*
3: Give him a chance?
4: Surprise! It's actually Ranald in disguise!
5: Our new bestie!
6: Perfect waifu husbando.
7: ...wait, what's Mork doing here?

You rolled a d6, not a d7 here. I'm afraid you'll have to reroll.
Is... is Mathilde writing commentary in his personal memoirs?

That's a Grey wizard flex if there ever was one.

It's how the Ciaphas Cain novels are written. Cain is entirely too self-centered a character to examine the wider worlds and conflicts he finds himself in, so the author has his memoirs annotated by the Inquisitor Amberley Vail. (She's the one publishing the books in-universe.)
So you're saying it's one of my better plans?

TIL Omegahugger was one of the scriptwriters for Road to El Dorado. I can't say I remember how good the (20 years old) movie was, but I do remember enjoying it when I saw it, so thanks for your work! :V
Folks... is it possible we're going to miss the entire dust-off with Marienburg? It could well kick off in Spring while we're in the North. Indeed, if the time-bending effect from the books proves true and we spend any significant time in the karak, we might miss the whole damn war.

I'm looking forward to finding out What Went Down years later after it's all settled, like we did with the Sigmarite vs. Ulrican split.
 
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The time to argue against this option was *before* the vote closed.
I'm not arguing, just musing, and wondering if that's going to be a problem on the Expedition itself. Perhaps the knights and the dwarfs figure out a good solution for it, perhaps we'll have to make side-trips for hunting. Maybe Boney just doesn't want to think about logistics too much.
 
Contacting them seems too dangerous. Best case scenario, Mathilde might be able to bribe them to look the other way, but worst case scenarios involve them getting greedy and calling in friends to set up an ambush ,or maybe even passing info on to the chaos dwarves.

You glare upwards at the overgrown caltrop and dare it to insert any more purple prose into your internal monologue.

Should that be cantrip instead of caltrop? Cantrips are a low level wizard trick, Caltrops are the spikes that you throw on the ground.
 
I find it exceedingly worrying that the Light College throws mind-control around so freely as to use it for decoration.
As has been speculated, it would not be surprising if it's just a passive field that makes people think "This is an impressive building", and the rest is Mathilde's mind running away with things.
Every interaction with him will have the thread engaging in paranoia and ooc knowledge, no matter the truth in-universe (unless ironclad WoG on the contrary, which I doubt will happen).
We have WoG on this: canon may be out the window, to the point that there is no guarantee of anything, regarding his allegiance to Chaos. So any thread paranoia and use of OOC knowledge is already baseless.
 
Yeah, at this point it's just divination. We can just actually learn things by throwing dice at them.
So what these dice are saying, the Skull of Katam told Van Horstmann one of the Truths of the world, specifically that everything in the world is decided by the rolls of dice.

Van Horstmann then took the only logical option and became a devout Ranald cultist to improve his chances of survival. (Or make it so if he died, at least it would be funny)

And now, in the Karak closest to the realm of chaos, where the divine/magical is the strongest, Ranald is gonna attempt history's greatest Heist. One Mathilde will only realize she's a part of halfway through when everything's gone to shit as a part of the set up.
 
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