Ships take a significant amount of time to build. From securing the shipyards and supplies and labor to actually laying down the keels and recruiting sailors, it would be best to start early if we want to go that route. Though I guess it does depend on the type of boat.
I like it I like it. We can pick up the staff and finish our fighting style next round up and then head to kick ass and chew bubblegum.
You know...now that I think about it, if these lead to arcs like the expedition and final conquest, they could be that much more valuable. If the experience gets us upgrades similar to those with traits and such they'd be worth their weight gromril.
It's all fungible. As we're not enchanting anything this turn, we could pull AV Enchanting study into this turn, and say push Enchanting class into next, and still do both 'before' turning a staff or making armour.
Hoping for Interlude turns?
Edit: And, engineering principles remain engineering principles, since engineering is a magic-agnostic discipline. The way she goes about doing things will be different, but the basic knowledge should remain the same.
Definitely on the Coin. It works way too well thematically. I'm also not convinced the Coin will do anything on the AV enchanting experiments.
If we don't think she can find something else to do, this is essentially committing Johann to teaching her for 4 turns, which I don't think I'm happy with.
Four turns?
I think it's much more likely they'd lead to things like when we went to Dharmstrang and murdered Azkaban: fun little adventures, maybe with good loot at the end, but not the sorts of multi-update arcs that provide traits.
I suspect that once she's gotten some more engineering training she can find a project of her own to work on; right now the issue is that she's half-trained and spinning her wheels. There's no indication on the item that this locks Johann in.
Looks like it. I might actually change him to the Lightning cannon since I expect that to take multiple turns which will mean when the paper is ready to be made it will be fresh for us.
Belegar assigned us the dragon task while we were still finishing up Queekish. No reason we can't do the same.
This brings it back around to possibly failing on that turn though, which was my concern in the first place.
If we're putting Johann on Adela because the Okral mean her teachers are busy, that's not going to change for another 4 turns. They aren't leaving for 2 years.
I doubt Johann can get her that up to speed in a single turn. It doesn't lock him in, but if this is the logic the thread is using, I don't think it's going to change for four turns.
I don't think that's how directing our subordinates works? If we tell him to do something else next turn, I don't think there's any impetus for him to keep teaching her, unless she can convince him.
So, a version including exploratory AV work this turn, and waiting to push Enchanting Training to Fiendish next turn (perhaps) is
Plan.
Yeah. Nothing in life is certain.
So you're in favour of separating the two studies, across two turns, with chance to put the bonus on both?
Here's what the rolls looked like the last time we took Enchanting classes:
We rolled slightly above average for Teacher Quality, then abysmally for our own learning, and still passed the DC. Having a +36 (+37 now) just from our own character is really good, and on any sort of average or even below-average rolls, we should expect to pass Enchanting class.
This would suggest that we should delay the experiment with AV enchanting action until we have:
I think Johann can get her up to his level within a turn, or at least get her to the point where she can finish the rest on her own time. We did just invest in a serious set of Engineering books.
Premise of the quest is that advisors are people and do things in their own time. I think it's worth trying for at least 1-2 turns, and the idea can be revisited if necessary. I'll admit, I'm also just a fan of multi-wizard interactions and the narrative power of building relationships between characters. I do believe that the long term benefits (more competent engineer researchers, Adela as a future recruit for projects, teaching encourages rebuilding ideas from first principles, improving Johann's academic understanding) here do outweigh the short term of researching artifacts for papers we're not currently focused on, though.
Which two studies? Do you mean Arcane AV Enchanting and Divine AV Enchanting?
Well I think I intend to propose the Coin this turn, AV not at all. See what if anything is gated behind Ranalds Fourfold Coin.
Fair enough. That's not no chance though, and we don't lose anything by doing it this turn, I believe. If we do AV this turn, then going by this:
We'd be swapping out AV Enchantment Experiments for Enchantment class anyway, so we don't even gain an AV action. There is no benefit to doing AV Enchantment this turn and Enchantment class next turn.
Worth noting that she has 19 Learning to Johann's 16.
