Hmm, I could see the ruler of Sylvania being something like an "almost Elector Count". Maybe Markgraf, a count in an especially dangerous region (historically a border) and therefore entitled to have a big army without getting bitched out. Rosi still has another dwarfen rune blade lying around that's not quite as good as a proper runefang, but still pretty spiffy, and at least tangentially related (ok, very tangentially) to the fall of Drakenhof, so that would be a fitting symbol of office.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Heidi claims to be from the previous, thought-to-have-been-extinct, dynasty of Stirland elector counts. And she explicitly renounced her claim on Stirland, which made her more eligible to marry the newly widowed emperor.
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Mathilde the Journeywoman was capable of bypassing the Reiksguard and nearly knocking off the Emperor(double) with a suicide bomb, in addition to Many People dying of poison in the coming days. I don't even wanna imagine the havoc Mathilde "The Prowler, lol you don't have a magic maze surrounding you at all times to ward me off? Whoops I slipped by your defenses, I'm Invisible yo, Single chop of the sword cleaves the Elector Count and their bed in half" Weber would get up to if she had a mind for it. I imagine we'd probably have a hunter killer squad of Greys on our ass after the first few died, but hey that's the rub! 
Now that The Colleges, The Empire, and probably Ranald are pretty angry at us, we don't have any excuse not to become a necromancer! Time to raise an undead legion, conquer the entire Empire, and install Mandred on his throne of bones anyway!
Now that The Colleges, The Empire, and probably Ranald are pretty angry at us, we don't have any excuse not to become a necromancer! Time to raise an undead legion, conquer the entire Empire, and install Mandred on his throne of bones anyway!
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That was the easy mode without Celestials scrying for danger to the Emperor.Mathilde the Journeywoman was capable of bypassing the Reiksguard and nearly knocking off the Emperor(double) with a suicide bomb, in addition to Many People dying of poison in the coming days. I don't even wanna imagine the havoc Mathilde "The Prowler, lol you don't have a magic maze surrounding you at all times to ward me off? Whoops I slipped by your defenses, I'm Invisible yo, Single chop of the sword cleaves the Elector Count and their bed in half" Weber would get up to if she had a mind for it. I imagine we'd probably have a hunter killer squad of Greys on our ass after the first few died, but hey that's the rub!
We also got several attempts to do it right and died every single time.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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I mean... that was Journeyman in the edge of becoming a Magister, right now we're a Magister basically on the edge of becoming a LM, and by the time such an election rolls around, we'll probably be a Matriarch on the edge of becoming Supreme Matriarch... or outright being the Supreme Matriarch/equivalent informal level because we can't be bothered to actually run the colleges. We should be more than capable of it then.Mathilde the Journeywoman was capable of bypassing the Reiksguard and nearly knocking off the Emperor(double) with a suicide bomb, in addition to Many People dying of poison in the coming days. I don't even wanna imagine the havoc Mathilde "The Prowler, lol you don't have a magic maze surrounding you at all times to ward me off? Whoops I slipped by your defenses, I'm Invisible yo, Single chop of the sword cleaves the Elector Count and their bed in half" Weber would get up to if she had a mind for it. I imagine we'd probably have a hunter killer squad of Greys on our ass after the first few died, but hey that's the rub!
Now that The Colleges, The Empire, and probably Ranald are pretty angry at us, we don't have any excuse not to become a necromancer! Time to raise an undead legion, conquer the entire Empire, and install Mandred on his throne of bones anyway!
(Note that I am not actually endorsing such a plan, just assessing its likelihood of success)
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How many Celestials are scrying for the various Electors? And how quickly do news travel compared to our horsey?
In all seriousness though, at some point in the future I'd really like us to create a dossier on all the EC spymasters of the Empire. Just to know who'd be our rivals in an Elector Meet that we actually care about.
Legitimate Complaints about GW's Writing
It all depends which army book you appear in, and how much the writer of the day likes you. The Haupt-Andersens appeared in a Vampire splat book, and got repeatedly stomped in a side bar for the vampire thrall model. In that book, they run a conspiracy that goes to the highest echelons of power, and can snare even Grey Wizards.
Of course, it mustn't have worked well enough in drumming up sales, or a new guy in charge really hated vampires, because they decided to stomp them right to hell in the next splat. There, you have a journeyman wizard repeatedly beat the vampires in their shadow games on her lonesome, where previously the whole Grey Order was basically helpless. Then super wizard and the new Elector Count, a Witch Hunter (notice anything with that?) and descendant of Frederik van Hal (aka the guy who fucked up Sylvania in the first place) team up and tear down Castle Drakenhof. Most of the fanbase expects them to just flat out drop Vampires as a main line army, because where do you go from there?
That's a rhetorical question, by the way. The next book, a dwarfen splat for the new K8P subfaction, mentions the ECs daughter proceeded to stomp on the vampires some more, since they apparently wanted to make their position on vampire fans clear.
Because I'm already ranting, do you know why we know this, since it's from a dwaf book, but involves no dwarfs? Because super wizard (now a magister) is one of their lords (yes, one of three lords in a dwarf army book is a wizard. Surely that's completely sane and not at all lore breaking), and it's mentioned how she likes to show up for some vampire dunking now and then. In between casually conquering Karak-bloody-Eight-Peaks (and it is casually, since they make it a point to mention how quick and bloodless the whole thing goes down, especially the final battle she commands. Because that makes sense, but then they did the same for Drakenhof), building magical superweapons (yes, in a dwarfhold), and destroying million+ Waaghs with magical superweapons. You can't make that shit up (unless your GW, I guess).
I haven't even mentioned all of it. She's also super rich and best friends with the Empress (a former Haupt-Andersen, just to really drive the point home, and then that little extra bit further). That isn't the end of it either (bloody pseudo runefangs), but I don't want to be sued for reprinting copyrighted material.
At this point, the only way we'll get a vampire army book is if they decide she's a secret mega necromancer for some reason that would surely make total sense. No, I'm not bitter about my favorite army getting kicked to the curb in the lore. Incidentally, anyone want to buy some models?
Well, Elfs are slated for the next book, so hopefully we'll get a reprieve there. I'd say they can't shoehorn Ms Perfect into those when she's palling around with dwarfs, but that would feel too much like tempting fate.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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... I really wish I actually played so I could continue this discussion in detail, instead of just being mildly interested in the setting and it's general lore. Then again, I also like having money to pay rent, so...
Asheram
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As someone who deals in 40k, don't walk down that route. Your wallet will thank you.
Then again, I don't play, I just enjoy the painting.
There are rumours Skaven book may come out sooner, something something third civil war.
Fake it till you make it! You can do it!
No, seriously. In my life, I played exactly once, and that was the starter set something like ten years back. I'm not even sure we finished that game. Go read a few 1d4chan tactics pages, and you'll be able to bitch with... well me at least.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Does that apply if I've never even picked up a Warhammer book? Seriously, all my knowledge comes from quests, Total War, very rare and old hearsay, and the occasional wiki dive to make sense of any of those.
On the other hand, I can agree that Vampire Counts really do deserve seem like an awesome faction, it's just a shame they're all insane or evil. How hard can it be to design a Good undead faction?
Then again, I'm also a proponent of the Skaven in all their insane technogenius glory, so...
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It's noteworthy that we actually have a research project that could lead to the Empire becoming more centralized. If pursuing Skaven electric technology leads the Empire to adopt things like telegram systems that could be quite an impact.
Maybe convince all of the We hives in the Under-Empire to emigrate to Drakwald and displace the local population of forest spiders and monsters, then help clear out the Beastmen?
Though how we would get in contact with them is it's own issue.
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Yet another book? Just who's buying those new expansions with Miss Mary Sue poking her nose in every one? Why aren't more fans protesting? Why haven't they dropped the line yet?
Incidentally, my only exposure to this particular setting was a single WFRP session, 2nd edition. Over a decade ago.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Ah, you must not be aware of how fans operate, regardless of setting. Being a Mary Sue is not, in itself a crime, as long as they're our Mary Sue and we can use them to smash our opponents with ease, both in arguments and on the game board. It also doesn't help that the term itself has become a weapon used to decry any character somebody just doesn't like, regardless of accuracy. Then there's the edgy contrarians who Support them just to piss off those true-blue hardcore fans that can't stand such shenanigans and lore-wrecking.
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Wonder which book she'll kill Sigmar in
Sure. You can check out the official rule set, or some fan books if you want to be really true to things, but bitching about how things changed and now they suck (true or not) is a pretty general human experience. And you can always just listen to someone who sounds like they know what they're saying, and repeat that, in content or tone.
So long as people keep buying them, they can protest till they're blue and nothing will change. And to be fair, there is great joy in playing dwarfs and watching your opponents face as you hit them with magic, spider cavalery and blitzkrieg tactics. And to be fair, grudgingly, the faction is missing a lot of the normal dwarf workhorse units, so it's not actually completely unbalanced. So people in it for the crunch don't actually mind.
Also, what Eric said.
Fuck, don't even joke about that. There's a line in the books (can't remember where) about how she hates Sigmar and likes Ranald (though she doesn't do any Ranald things like steal and not use a Greatsword, because their relationship is so *special*), and that's just scarily possible.Wonder which book she'll kill Sigmar in
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Wonder which book she'll kill Sigmar in
Nah, killing him would be too easy. If she's so into Ranald, I don't doubt she'll just copy his tricks and steal Sigmar's divinity or something equally outlandish. That's much more Mary Sue-ish, and with her friendship to the Dwarves, the parallels are an obvious setup.
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This is an interesting point yes.
Serious question: Can undead walk along the seabed without needing to breathe? Has this come up with the Vampire Coast stuff?
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[X] Redshirt Army
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How far do you trust Heidi?
Clan Uzkul.
PsyFarrow
Verified Necrodancer
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They don't need to breathe, but high pressure, lack of lighting and the various monstrosities lurking down there mean they generally don't.