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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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To be clear, here's where our turn stands after Results Part 1:

[*] Plan: Spoken Queekish v4 with Better Max
-[*][MAX] Write a paper: Translated text on Chaos Dwarf anatomy (TIMELESS)
-[*][JOHANN] Study an artefact: Unknown black gem, stolen from the Skaven.
-[*][DUCK] Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help
-[*][EIC] Put policies in place that local news should be collected and sent to you (rumour mill).
-[*] Seek to build a stronger rapport with Qrech, and provide enough sources of mental stimulation that you can turn your attention elsewhere.
-[*] Try to convince him outright to teach you spoken Queekish.
--[*] Deceiver: Continue with the Gambit that teaching you Queekish continues to cause discontent in the Grey Order and of course the Grey Order itself already has Queekish...
-[*] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Waystones and Waystone maintenance
-[*][AV] Investigate the exact circumstances required to induce a transformation.
-[*] Wolf is fully grown and a Very Good Boy. Train him. (increases his intelligence, he may learn to speak Praestantia)
-[*][PENTHOUSE] Have a gyrocopter landing pad built into your balcony.
-[*][SERENITY] Translated Eshin correspondence on the Skaven Civil War (TIMELESS)

My guess, based on how much has yet to happen and what dramatic beats are involved, that we will get two more Results updates for this turn: one with Wolf and the two Qrech actions, and one with the EIC/University/AV/Penthouse (EDIT: I could also see something/Wolf/Qrech part one in one update and Qrech part two + the rest in the other; the last time we asked something of him, it was split across updates). And as @Mopman43 alluded to, my understanding is that Boney doesn't roll everything for the turn ahead of time and then parcel it out in updates, but rather rolls for each update as it's written, so the Qrech rolls haven't yet happened.
 
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Between the Dhar evaporation and the way AV does the same thing, it does suggest it should be entirely possible to make powerstone bullets for any of the Winds.

Not sure how useful that would be in practice, you're not going to be getting as much power as with Dhar and powerstones are much harder to acquire for the Empire than warpstone is for Skaven, but it might make for a useful specialist weapon depending on exactly what powerstone bullets do to what they hit - and to the gun when they're fired.
 
NSMS said:
Very true, at least assuming the winds are dense enough for you to notice the gap (which would also be harder to spot if you're not specifically looking for it). That's part of the reason why I'm only wondering if this is is how it's done rather than jumping up and down yelling 'EVERYONE, I KNOW HOW TO HIDE FROM MAGESIGHT!' :V
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I'm not sure Cathayan Jet is the secret though - Eshin-Friend got close enough to literally bump into Mathilde, and based on what Boney said about the range of the repelling power (specifically, close enough to help vs. miscast = close enough to prevent casting) Mathilde ought to have noticed suddenly being cut off from being able to cast magic at that time if Eshin-Friend was carrying the talisman or an equivalent. Plus, the Jet was stolen from Clan Mors rather than Clan Eshin.

Mopman43 said:
I think it's be a much less energetic phenomenon, though. And the feed is basically non-reproducible.
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Technically untrue - while the suction element of the feed is worthless, the mechanical part was noted to be capable of ejecting ~1/4th of the ammo in the backpack before running out of energy. So while it couldn't be duplicated as a backpack portable thing, a version with less ammo could be affixed to the firing mechanism (assuming a workable mechanism could be devised) to create something like an emplaced machine gun that would have to be moved around like a dwarf scorpion would.
 
Derpmind said:
[X] Send it to the Colleges as a potentially useful trinket

Switching my vote. College favor might not be seen as worth terribly much, but it's good to accumulate it and the gem is as likely to be used by if we keep it as it is to someday pop up onscreen if we give it to the Colleges. As in, we'll probably not see it again either way, so might as well advance Mathilde's favor rating.
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If it goes into the 'pending' favour queue, then we get favour at some non-determined future date.

If you're OK with that, you could also still get the college favour at a non-determined future date by holding on to the gem now, trading it in later.
 
Alliterate said:
If it goes into the 'pending' favour queue, then we get favour at some non-determined future date.

If you're OK with that, you could also still get the college favour at a non-determined future date by holding on to the gem now, trading it in later.
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We can also get the benefits by giving it to Roswita, then once we marry her, the gem comes into our posession for any future use.
 
storryeater said:
We can get the benefits of everything, ever, by becoming the most powerful being in existence. Then we'll get the benefits of whatever we want, whenever we want because nothing will be ale to tell us no :V
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There is the small issue of imperial oversight but I'm sure between our control of the Colleges and the new High King Belegar we can deal with that issue and instal a nice mageocracy... Wait, no. I forgot Manfred. A Randaldian God-King Theocracy powered by Shayla magic immortality with Mathilde as Grand Vizier should do the trick. Then we shall have all the AP :V
 
DragonParadox said:
There is the small issue of imperial oversight but I'm sure between our control of the Colleges and the new High King Belegar we can deal with that issue and instal a nice mageocracy... Wait, no. I forgot Manfred. A Randaldian God-King Theocracy powered by Shayla magic immortality with Mathilde as Grand Vizier should do the trick. Then we shall have all the AP :V
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And even more things to spend it on.
 
I don't really get why people are acting like the Ratling gun is a useless to us.

Sure the weapon itself isn't very useful without warpstone but there are lots of interesting mechanisms that could be repurposed.
 
NavySeel said:
Sure the weapon itself isn't very useful without warpstone but there are lots of interesting mechanisms that could be repurposed.
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Clockwork winches and hand-cranked bellows aren't actually anything Imperial Engineers can't already make. Just look at stuff like the Repeater Handgun.

They haven't made their own ratling gun because it's physically impossible without the cheats provided by Warpstone.
 
picklepikkl said:
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first usurp the throne of God.
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Makes sense.

So, who wants pie? Freshly made.
DragonParadox said:
There is the small issue of imperial oversight but I'm sure between our control of the Colleges and the new High King Belegar we can deal with that issue and instal a nice mageocracy... Wait, no. I forgot Manfred. A Randaldian God-King Theocracy powered by Shayla magic immortality with Mathilde as Grand Vizier should do the trick. Then we shall have all the AP :V
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Just, like literally be everything. The entirety of existence, warp included. That's how you get max AP. Why limit to less? :D

(Fuck! Arbitrary delineations between 'self' and 'everything that is not self' are dissolving again! It's been happening more often.

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We/I/This kinda like it.)
 
Mopman43 said:
Clockwork winches and hand-cranked bellows aren't actually anything Imperial Engineers can't already make. Just look at stuff like the Repeater Handgun.

They haven't made their own ratling gun because it's physically impossible without the cheats provided by Warpstone.
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Did I mention Clockwork or Bellows?
Even if there aren't improvements in what imperials have in those areas which I doubt, there are plenty of other ideas we could get from it.

All the things required to contain the Warpstone, which could be used with other volatile substances.
The basic concept of a firing pin.
The concept of rubber.

That's from just rereading it once.
No to mention getting someone like Adela to have a look at the gas mechanism to see if there's anything we don't have in that area.
 
Mopman43 said:
Clockwork winches and hand-cranked bellows aren't actually anything Imperial Engineers can't already make. Just look at stuff like the Repeater Handgun.

They haven't made their own ratling gun because it's physically impossible without the cheats provided by Warpstone.
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Despite their philosophy of "all the warpstone, all the while", the intelligence of Skaven engineers should not be underestimated.

After all, the Skryre breathing apparatus for example has no warpstone components while being a valuable innovation.
 
I think dwarfs have the concept of firing pin already, as the marksdwarf pistol actually uses bullets as we understand them today:
Marksdwarf's Pistol: This pistol is based on the tried and true single-shot design that still reigns supreme in the Empire, but both the firearm itself and the odd self-contained capsules of powder and ball are so finely built that the only restriction on accuracy is the wielder. It is currently missing the handle, for the simple reason that one will be built to match the wielder's hand when it is purchased.
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I don't know about guns to know how that would work without a firing pin, but the way it's written looks like it's a relative novelty, compared to regular roundshot.
That needs to change before dwarfs get gatling guns.
That being said, don't dwarfs have rapid fire steam weapons on gyrocopters? I guess it's more of a gun that fires roundshot using steam from the engine powering the copter, which is not particularly practical as an infantry weapon.
 
IronFist said:
That being said, don't dwarfs have rapid fire steam weapons on gyrocopters?
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Clatterguns rapid-fire somehow.

They might be machine cannon, rather than anything steam-related; using a crankshaft or whatever to power a loading mechanism rather than energy recovered/leached from the process of firing.

Certainly I expect they're tapping into the gyrocopter's engines, or the dwarves wouldn't still be using organ guns for their fixed defenses.
 
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