fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Also I am guessing that magic items are easier to resist in general then a Mage casting and optimizing the spell on the spot.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Carcassone becoming interested in aligning themselves with Dwarves is several steps from Damsels becoming interested in aligning themselves with Belegar.
My research for the We's forays into economics has been an education in how modern a lot of the concepts we take as fundamental are. I basically had to give their stomachs the status of labourers to make this situation fit into late medieval / early renaissance economic thought.
Correct. Easier to dispel as well.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Ahah, I was about to say - given this initial view and based on how far the rest of the civilization has gotten, the other reason to let the We stick with hunting right now and integrate them later is so they can develop an economic system of their own before we overwrite it with ours. Who wants to bet they figure out fractional-reserve banking before the Empire does?
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Serious answer: Some creativity with utility spells could get you partway there, but nothing with the straightforward utility of the D&D item.
Comedy answer: Pit of Shades, if you can work out one or two bugs.
Z000
If this is trash, then find me in the dumpster
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- Viet Nam
can't
if they leave a certain range their Hivemind shut off and they just wander until enter another one range
No, dictation to Max takes an action, and he doesn't have enough of a grasp of the language to do half the work himself.
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- Aotearoa
Indeed. Wilhelmina would be proud! Early-game silent-EIC-partner Mathilde had terrible trouble with that concept.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Maybe we should get our own gyrocopter and start enchanting that.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Between Windherder and our massive amount of Dwarfish Favor, I would have thought that the logical continuation of 'More Magic Items' would be to collaborate with Kragg to see what can be done in the intersection of Runic Magic and Wind Magic Enchanting.
- Location
- Canada
[ ] [ROOM] Vault
We need to get our stuff out of Belegar's vault. All the other Dwarves are chuckling behind our backs that we haven't got a vault of our own yet. It's so embarrassing.
[ ] [ROOM] Shrine to Ranald
It should be disguised to look like a completely different room, though. @BoneyM Could we have a bunch of rotating walls built into the Sitting Room? Hidden shrine transformations are so cool.
[ ] [ROOM] Guest Room
We keep inviting friends and wizards over. We should have a place for them to sleep, if the endless stairs are getting to them.
[ ] [ROOM] Wolf's Room
Good boy deserves his own personal space. Especially if we want to train his intelligence up.
We need to get our stuff out of Belegar's vault. All the other Dwarves are chuckling behind our backs that we haven't got a vault of our own yet. It's so embarrassing.
[ ] [ROOM] Shrine to Ranald
It should be disguised to look like a completely different room, though. @BoneyM Could we have a bunch of rotating walls built into the Sitting Room? Hidden shrine transformations are so cool.
[ ] [ROOM] Guest Room
We keep inviting friends and wizards over. We should have a place for them to sleep, if the endless stairs are getting to them.
[ ] [ROOM] Wolf's Room
Good boy deserves his own personal space. Especially if we want to train his intelligence up.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well if were are on that topic here are some magic item ideas.
@BoneyM Would these's work?
A magic item to set this off when we are running away. Or in open combat for some reason.
Put this on our boots to be just that little bit more sneaky.
Get an idea of this to allow us to go though tunnel walls underground. We have a very good mental map of the area.
@BoneyM Would these's work?
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Deep Regret that we didn't get to do the dwarven balloon plan to deliver that explosives engineer during the reclamation! Stupid fire and its being reliable and junk for dealing with a grobi town.
Surreptitiousness comes standard with Ranaldian shrines.
Viable.
It's not just footprints, it's all trails, so it would have to encompass the entire body and wouldn't be able to be an always-on passive.
This would necessarily involve filling literally every part of Mathilde with magic, and it would clash with her natural Ulgu, probably while partway inside of rock.
Sociology as a study from a neutral PoV doesn't really exist as an entire field of study in this time period. The closest equivalents would be 'this is why US are better than NOT-US', and would fall under their respective civilizations.
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No. They don't have a Rune that does that.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Here is the sum total of what we know:
It's the books that were most eye-level for whoever used that space. Are they history books? Recreational reading? Secret ninjutsu techniques? We have no idea; it's a mystery box.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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...amateurs.
My record is 10,000, actually. Keeping it down to a reasonable number is very difficult for me. Keeping it organized is even harder. It's frustrating.
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Gods know that theres not nearly enough attention to go around to begin with.
Well, one nice thing about Elder Races is that they usually aren't much for expansionism. Revanchism is more their thing, though Laurelorn would be missing everything that makes them WANT new ground.
Ideally.
But I suspect if Nordland is still trying after their grand lack of success, if they thought they could get away with starting shit to begin with, they probably wouldn't fold that easily.
Not a lot of ways to bribe them out of wanting more clay, and if the elves don't scare them you're probably looking at a minor civil war and a crowbar if you pushed too hard to sanction them.
So here I was, thinking of "what would Luitpold do"(dunno, but when Wissenland dug its heels in on the Skaven matter he simply struck elsewhere entirely),"what would Algard do"(Get more blackmail to leverage against Nordland's nobles so they can simply defang their Elector's attempt to press the campaign collectively) and then came to "what would Heidi do".
What WOULD Heidi do about the Nordland Question?
So we got an indication of what the College education on Waystones look like: its a service technician's guide. How to identify bugs and debug them mostly.
So first priority would be Belegar, then Kragg, then Thorek and maybe Gunnars. Meta wise we know Thorgrim knows but IC unless Kragg suggests that Thorgrim might know we'd never try that.
Then second priority the Colleges can give it the good old college try, but it doesn't look optimistic.
And on the other hand, the Eonir might have retained LESS than the Colleges, which is kind of concerning if they're proposing this to try to figure out what they didn't bring.
If they're lucky, they explode and kill themselves.
If they're not lucky, it shits out Dhar everywhere for miles.
If they're REALLY not lucky then they succeed and now theres a rampaging high power magic thing that nobody knows how its working or why.
Probably should be a Master Class topic.
To be fair, Laurelorn looks nice on the surface but the tree daemons are still there.
Just more subtle and patient about it.
Well, being isolated from the dwarves by a chunk of Nordland and Middenland should help. Distant borders make reliable friends.
The Goodest Boi
Well, Loremaster's next job right there.
Though the timing is a bit fuzzy without a god's eye view, so they wouldn't realize its when he brought the crown to the throne.
Bloody Eltharin, if they said it in Eltharin I doubt we'd have trusted it anywhere near as much.
And they knew it too no doubt
Ah poop. Just insightful enough to reaize theres a problem, let his negative opinions color it, and not enough to figure out that good things don't come for free.
Its not like any modern city dweller considers much about the costs and logistics of having electricity and running water. Or heck, even fresh food in supermarkets.
The stat points are nice, but take note of the narrative description. Now its not necessarily literal, but I suspect Mathilde simply no longer needs to make intrigue or spellcasting checks to infiltrate unless they are specifically defending against such.
Also Master Infiltration's going to be as badass as Master Swording. Much fewer Master Watchmen around though!
I'd note Enchantment is probably vastly safer here to start with, what with it happening inside a controlled environment...and the Aethyric Vitae is also a source of the other winds, though I'd recommend using Johann on it first, because we don't want to give Journeymanlings ideas about whats safe to try.
Doing it in the field is a big nope for now. Far, far too easy to jostle the energy flows.
Oh sweet, so much diplomacy.
Blooded being folded makes sense, "I have killed a dude before" just isn't relevant anymore.
And thats a lot of cultures filled out. An open mind goes many places!
Mathilde: "The incompetence of your foes is a gift that keeps giving".
Nicely mirrors what happened in Eight Peaks:
-One part wound up in a straight brawl with your superior force.
-One part got killed by another part.
-One part realized its force is toast and used the 36th Strategem.
The Battle Wizards must be working extremely hard to minimize miscasts. Didn't want to disappoint Roswita and lose the headpats.
And the Repeater had the known issue, but with a known solution. Didn't need solving, the actual barrier isn't technical but institutional, the cure is having mass produced interchangable parts of high quality, which would be needed for any true automatic weapons anyways.
I don't think dwarves can fix this, their solution is "well train more master craftsmen"
Ah, of course, the active warzone had to be secured first, nobody likes the idea of living within a couple miles of a mountain full of orcs.
Kragg: {Concern}
Kragg's still keeping mum about it but he has to be watching things warily. It'd be his fault if anything bad happened(or at least, he'd believe it), and I don't want to see what a Grandmaster Runelord under that stress might do.
Its fine marketing, and its a good place for a school, since that means all the new migrants have a good trade for their children and youths to aspire to.
*sniggers*
YES, they spooders want to be Citizens!
Hmm, think that's prosocial instincts at work here: their objective now that they decided to be part of the Karak-We is to contribute and benefit.
They don't care about a 'fair' price, they just want a price.
...thats one fucking big cannon round dodged.
They didn't care about the silk supplied, but given that they apparently absorbed the concept of debt, its likely that they'd have reacted poorly if they learned of the value independently.
Wait.
Did the Loremaster wind up conveying that particular quirk I wonder?
:3
Adorable!
We knew this was coming.
[ ] [WE] Hunt the Badlands
Something that eventually translates as a 'Hunter's Highway' could be constructed through tunnels from the current nest to the Western Gate, allowing the Hunters to move swiftly and easily to the west and explore the Badlands. The prey concentration is low and there's less opportunity for ambushes, but a giant spider is still a giant spider and they'd make a terrifying addition to the nocturnal ecosystem of the Badlands. As a side-benefit, this would teach the greenskins of the Badlands to give the Karak a wide berth.
-Keeps orcs and gribblies away from the Karak
-Poor hunting, as there are few targets
-Dangerous fights, as they need to fight more in open field battles rather than their preferred ambushes.
-This means low silk production
[ ] [WE] Hunt the Mountains
The sheer cliffs, gloomy valleys and dark caves of the mountains are no obstacle to the We, and there's enough wildlife in the surrounding mountains to keep the We fed. Though it means they wouldn't be feeding on enemies of the Karak, it could provide an early warning of any new neighbours moving into the area.
-The We function as a sentry-fence
-Decent hunting
-We'd need something to keep an eye on the zone anyway.
[ ] [WE] Scavenge the Gauntlet
Though it's become less of an attempted invasion and more of a source of entertainment to the greenskins forcing their less-favoured underlings to throw themselves against the Dwarven defences, the Underway passage from Black Crag to Karak Eight Peaks is still a constant flow of greenskins. Though they're unlikely to make any real contribution as the battle is one of logistics rather than martial ability for the Dwarves, it will keep them reliably and safely fed, and they will be crediting most of those meals to the Dwarves.
-High volume of free food, lots of silk can be produced and they'd probably be able to expand.
-Safe combat, with lots of support
-Practice fighting together with Dwarves against greenskins.
[ ] [WE] Bounty System
Not all the Undumgi are ready to settle down, and there's always mercenaries and glory-seekers coming and going. Apart from the obvious benefits of keeping the We fed and killing a lot of greenskins, this would bring a lot of mercenaries to the Karak while keeping them busy enough to stay out of trouble.
-Maintains a large body of mercenaries on active duty and usable in an emergency
-The We would transition to be primarily silk producers rather than hunters, and would want to pick up value added trades to occupy themselves.
[ ] [WE] Economic Integration
Eight pounds of live animal becomes one pound of raw silk. This is an extremely simple problem to solve. Start importing live produce and paying the local hunters to start setting snares and digging pits.
-Convert to herding based food.
-Most sustainable in the long run, as it doesn't depend on external factors to provide enough meat.
-The We would transition to be primarily silk producers rather than hunters, and would want to pick up value added trades to occupy themselves.
-Panoramia may have a heart attack if she learns about the amount of intensive grazing and fertilizing that's going to be needed while she's recovering.
So I'm tentatively favoring Scavenge the Gauntlet as my top choice, with Economic Integration as secondary, Economic Integration should be better LATER, but right now, the We killing orcs next to dwarves is one of the best ways to build a strong relationship on the dwarf side.
Boon is easy. Spend it now, or it'd be floating there indefinitely. Emergency usage would be more likely to strain Belegar.
Penthouse...personally interested in Wolf's Room and the Shrine to Ranald, with the Trophy Room because our loot needs a better arrangment than "pile of stuff"
[ ] [WE] Scavenge the Gauntlet
[ ] [WE] Economic Integration
[ ] [BOON] I know just what to spend it on...
[ ] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
[ ] [ROOM] Wolf's Room
[ ] [ROOM] Trophy Room
[ ] [ROOM] Shrine to Ranald
[ ] [ROOM] Gyrocopter Hangar
E: replaced provisions with choppers
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The hyper big brain Eshin plot where the books are all "Mathilde's Secret Plans To Overthrow The Man-Thing Empire" They knew this would happen and have snared us in the deepest plot.
Putting things in is easy.
Taking them out...
We got no lack of College favors. Spending on an excellent translation isn't bad and a lot more doable than learning a language just for it is.