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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Glau said:
What thematic reasons? What themes of forgiveness have come up, and what reason would they apply to Sigmar?
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Not so much forgiveness as.....Change.

Part of Mathilde's characterization has been her frustration at the dwarven propensity for plain not letting things go.
And one of the things that sticks with me was her reaction at the Clan Angrund boy who took the axe and mohawk for what he saw as a personal failure to act, or to act correctly. She thought it a waste.

Investing effort into actively suppressing Sigmarite worship is the sort of thing Mathilde should hopefully have grown beyond.
Then there's the actual comment about divine constraints. That gods are not all-powerful, and sometimes have to husband resources.

Kasimir partly touched on this the last time we spoke to him, but the use of the Eye gives Mathilde a new perspective on just how many gods can be active around pivotal events and people. I mean, Ranald outright stated at the time that he was unable to interfere; in the light of her current knowledge, that event looks very different.

Sorry if I'm not articulating as well as I could.
chocolote12 said:
We'll clear away the trait when Sigmar does something in the story to be forgiven. He's just not worth any of the traits we'd be missing out on, especially as the narrative equivalent of 'Eh, I don't really care anymore'.
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You mean like the Sigmarite Witch Hunters who freed Mathilde and her master from a Lahmian plot? Several years ago?
Or the fact that Ranald's High Priestess is currently Empress and mother of the Heir in Sigmar's empire?
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
With respect we've eschewed any serious targets because we knew they were beyond us unless circumstances wildly favoured us. The +40 trait would change that dramatically and yes failing assassination is absolutely a risk, we're planning to visit the shadow elves of Ulthuan to join them on ventures against the dark elves. Having +40 to assassinate targets of opportunity would be massive and failing could well lead to death, in fact failing assassination work always has that risk especially when going against factions that are magic rich, which the Delves will be.
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It certainly would have helped with the Alakazam fight :V. We rolled in the 100s and still failed to shank him by about 5 or so, while he was engrossed in a book.

The only real reason we survived the Nat 1 in the ensuing fight is that Alkatraz failed to notice Kragg's Mathilde DRM. Him setting his brain on fire trying to soul enslave us was a pretty lucky break, when he could have just sat there snapping our neck a few times when we were disemboweled and down already.
 
I am definitely hoping that the Eastern Scrolls include some of the Nipponese teachings that turned Clan Eshin into superskaven ninjas. It would make sense that they would record these very important trade secrets in a language very few Skaven outside their clan could understand. If we could learn those and combine it with the Assassin trait... Well, then we're pretty set for combat.
 
Alliterate said:
That's why I only attributed an arbitrary part of those clan kills to the dragon, but thanks for the comment. The point is the Dragon did us a solid, right?
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A pretty massive solid - the Dragon directly took out Skyre and destabilized the situation in the entire Karak which created the circumstances for the massive free for all. The dragon was also quite helpful with Bok and has very modest teritorial demands.


Maybe we could spends some college favour to focus some Hysh towards the dragon's lair as a thank you (if the dragon is interested).
 
uju32 said:
You mean like the Sigmarite Witch Hunters who freed Mathilde and her master from a Lahmian plot? Several years ago?
Or the fact that Ranald's High Priestess is currently Empress and mother of the Heir in Sigmar's empire?
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No, I don't. It was Ranald who did both of those things. I mean Sigmar directly.
 
It's really quite hard to think of something we don't already have, when it comes to Belegar's favour. More runic items are always nice, but we can get those for regular favour expenditure.* I'm not even slightly interested in opening a College here. We have lots of interesting things to follow up on, so we don't need to ask for something obscure just for the sake of it.

The only possible thing would be a crash course on restricted lore, but I don't think that's even within Belegar's remit - he'd have to ask Kragg, or some of their priests. But again, that's an interesting thing to learn about, and we have things to do like that already.

I'm wondering if we might end up just holding onto the favour, in case we ever want something enough we can't get elsewhere. (In our will, we say that if we ever die without cashing it in, we want a big statue in the middle of the Caldera, smirking.)

*Also, if we try and cash in this favour for Runic stuff, we might literally drive Kragg to pull an Alaric the Mad because he can't create anything incredible enough to pay it off, and we don't want to do that.
 
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But yeah, I just, really, really like Collegiate you know?

Especially since we're getting around that time Mathilde should be taking an Apprentice anyway.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
It's really quite hard to think of something we don't already have, when it comes to Belegar's favour. More runic items are always nice, but we can get those for regular favour expenditure. I'm not even slightly interested in opening a College here. We have lots of interesting things to follow up on, so we don't need to ask for something obscure just for the sake of it.

The only possible thing would be a crash course on restricted lore, but I don't think that's even within Belegar's remit - he'd have to ask Kragg, or some of their priests. But again, that's an interesting thing to learn about, and we have things to do like that already.

I'm wondering if we might end up just holding onto the favour, in case we ever want something enough we can't get elsewhere. (In our will, we say that if we ever die without cashing it in, we want a big statue in the middle of the Caldera, smirking.)
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Permission to examine his crown? it seems more enchanted than obviously runic.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
It's really quite hard to think of something we don't already have, when it comes to Belegar's favour. More runic items are always nice, but we can get those for regular favour expenditure. I'm not even slightly interested in opening a College here. We have lots of interesting things to follow up on, so we don't need to ask for something obscure just for the sake of it.

The only possible thing would be a crash course on restricted lore, but I don't think that's even within Belegar's remit - he'd have to ask Kragg, or some of their priests. But again, that's an interesting thing to learn about, and we have things to do like that already.

I'm wondering if we might end up just holding onto the favour, in case we ever want something enough we can't get elsewhere. (In our will, we say that if we ever die without cashing it in, we want a big statue in the middle of the Caldera, smirking.)
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Super dorf boat to go on magical adventures with?
 
Angelform said:
To my recollection we have used the trait (other than the +2 martial) on two occasions.
Once when we took command of the tunnel fighting/scouting during the initial reconquest.
And during this campaign when we bothered to actually stay in command. Notably we spent less time actually 'in command' than running around doing stuff in person.

We have never used the spell creation aspect. As far as I know we haven't even come up with an idea that BoneyM didn't rule as either impossible, redundant or Battle Magic.

If we were planning to make Mathilde a general it would be worth considering. However if we are only going to be leading armies when the actual leaders are dead or absent then we have far better options.
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This campaign was when we found its benefits, and also drove us with the specific philosophy we used to fight it. Suggestions were made based on its existence and trying to leverage it. And thus it played extremely well with our critical strategic choice of cutting communications to the Under Caldera, providing a bonus to that action and to our surprise attack. When we moved it helped quite nicely.

Here's the list of everything he's approved for Spells. Not very many of them are what I'd call redundant.

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I want it and upgrades to it far more for spell options than in terms of her being a general.
 
Ganurath said:
I remember once having read some words of wisdom regarding sleeping dragons, and whether or not one should tickle them.
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The dragon did want to talk out a treaty with Belegar once things have calmed down, we can politely ask then.

If we can build a bridge by doing the dragon a minor favour then there's no reason not to and having a satisfied dragon is a good thing for Karak Eight Peaks.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
The dragon did want to talk out a treaty with Belegar once things have calmed down, we can politely ask then.

If we can build a bridge by doing the dragon a minor favour then there's no reason not to and having a satisfied dragon is a good thing for Karak Eight Peaks.
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Does the dragon have any grudges on it?

@BoneyM did kazrick actually figute that out or not?
 
Alratan said:
Even a devout Ulrician can acknowledge Sigmar as patron god of the Empire without believing that he's King of the Gods as is modern doctrine in the Cult of Sigmar.
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Well yeah. I'm not saying that he is part of the Sigmarite Heresy fringe group or anything. Just that his primary god was not Sigmar and that that was not considered a barrier to him becoming emperor in-universe.
 
Alratan said:
A priestess of his, of the god of liars claimed he did. Even odds she just made it up and claimed credit for something he had little or nothing to do with, just as known as Mathilde is known to imply sometimes.
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By that logic it might well have not happened at all, and as such neither of us should be debating it. If it happened, it happened as she said, because Ranald, whose strictures include not messing with other Ranaldites like that, was right there with us in the conversation.
 
Everyone, what we need now are STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS. Let's change the world we live in!
Dwarves have tech that humans don't, and humans have an enormous productive capacity that's currently being under-exploited!

@BoneyM, could we ask Belegar to put pressure on the Engineering Guild to teach new stuff to the Nuln campus that will be setting up in K8P? Gyrocopters, better gunpowder, Drakeguns, whatever?
 
chocolote12 said:
No, I don't. It was Ranald who did both of those things. I mean Sigmar directly.
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-It took Sigmarite Witch Hunters of the official Imperial Witch Hunter agency to crack that conspiracy quietly. Not Ranaldites.
Ranald wasn't so powerful back when we were a journeyman to outright jack worshippers of another god as his agents. I don't think there's any evidence that he is that powerful now either.

Not to mention that there is an established pattern of Ranald getting help from at least one other god, or piggybacking off the efforts of others.
Heidi/Gabrielle herself also happens to still be carrying a divine Shallyan blessing, else that entire wedding wouldn't work.

-The Emperor of the Empire where Sigmar is THE patron marrying Ranald's High Priestess means that Ranald at least has his acquiesence in that particular marital pairing. There is very little chance that Heidi would be there if Sigmar objected.
 
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